If they would have had the vision and foresight to invest in servers, place their catalogs on those servers, and charge a reasonable price for the music, music videos, concert videos, printable posters, calenders or whatever, then they could have been making the money instead of Apple. But alas, instead of adapting to the consumer they just keep doing business as usual. So in a sense digital music is a failure, but its only as it applies to them and the money they "coulda, woulda, shoulda" made.
Thats exactly what the prohibitionist said to the public back in the day when they got alcohol banned. They even wasted a lot of time, money, and lives (yes, people died) trying to enforce it.
Guess what. Many many people just ignored it and now that law is no longer on the books. Just because you can pay to have a law passed, doesnt mean you can force people to comply with it. Keep dreaming. Your jails are only so big.
"If you don't like it, move somewhere where there is no copyright law."
If you remember correctly this country was copyright free first. So, If copyright is what you want, YOU move to somewhere where you can freely oppress the people. I hear theres room in China for you.
"copyright, one of the principals the US was founded upon,"
Umm, before you go spouting unfounded statements, you need to learn what you are talking about. Read this and you will see how our founding fathers looked at property. just plug in the term "Intellectual Property".
I just want to start by saying I agree with you.
Accepting campaign contributions, for political favors, is a bribe at most and a conflict of interest at the least. If it were just a conflict of interest, than the official should admit that upfront and abstain from voting on the legislation and/or voicing an opinion on pending government action. If it were a bribe, then well thats a crime and should be treated as such.
Now when campaign contributions, If I remember correctly, are given for (re)election purposes, if the politician doesnt run or losses they get to keep that money as income.
Looks like a bribe to me.
From WIKI:
"Bribery, a form of corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behavior of the recipient. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.
The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or merely a promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity."
Of course they are going to investigate the scanners. After a full investigation of looking at the pictures, some in real time, they will actively check out what constitutes a "pat-down", what constitutes groping, and at what point people find maximum annoyance. Then they will spend lots of money to have a report written up to submit to the committee. It wont change anything, but he "looked" into it. May take a year or so.
What a scary thought If that were the case. While we are zipping around in fancy cars, our bus system would still be horse drawn trolleys, the TSA would be suing anyone going faster than the trolleys, and they would be groping the horses. Instead of this announcement, one would be made that they were going to privatize the manufacture of buggy whips to allow all to purchase "at a good price".
have you ever heard of a voting majority. all the 51% would have to do is elect like minded politicians (or voter initiatives) that will do what the public wants (I know contrary to the way it works now). These laws were put in place the same way. They have not always been there. Copyright is not an inalienable right and is certainly not (criminal) robbery (ask the Supreme Court). The rest of what you describe can best be defined as civil war (or revolution, as defined by who wins) and it wouldnt be the first time that happened. Im not advocating that, Im just saying to be careful where the arrogance can lead you.
Another point to be aware of. If the current business practices continue and "piracy" (or number of "criminals") keeps growing, when those numbers hit 51% thats enough to change the laws and make "piracy" legal and those business practices criminal. Just saying.
I do understand what the public wants, because i am part of that public (actually so are you). "Piracy" is so popular because it actually has more value to the public and gives more value to the music (which is not just the digital representation) than does the music business. If it didnt than those numbers ("pirates") wouldnt be growing, and by your own account, the music industry wouldnt be being gutted and destroyed. Which, really only the sale of disks, "stamping", and distribution are being effected and the artist gets very little of that anyways. The only value that really matters is that to the public. Without that, nothing would sell.
As for control, the public wants to control what it consumes and how. Are mp3 players growing more popular than radios?. Also, thats why the backlash over drm. The more you try to control, the more "pirates" you create. If "piracy" is growing, then thats what the public is wanting. Fighting what the public wants, is like bitting off the hand that feeds you.
Kind reminds me of how the labels used radio for marketing. The more a song was heard the more value it had. Which in turn would increase demand for concert tickets, t-shirts, merchandise, apperances, and more music. Heck, they even paid stations to play the music at one time.
Hmm... could someone use say... bitTorrent in a similar way?
NO, never mind. BitTorrent and its statistic trackers are just evil and need to be shut down.
I guess obscurity is the best way to get recognized and the only way to make money.
Rigid control is one of the issues. You touted the tolerance of the mixed tape. If you remember It wasnt until after a Supreme Court ruling allowing it, that it became tolerated. It had something to do with personal use. I believe in Canada their is still a "tax" on blank cassettes to address this issue.
As for costs, since you are going to look for every possible cost to the owner (real and imaginary), what of the costs to society (or individuals)from overly draconian patent/copyright/IP laws? The inhibitions to competition and innovation are first to come to mind. there are the cost to competitors from "rights holders" that sue other companies and individuals claiming infringement just to stop (or profit from) anothers product even when there is no infringement. There are also the cost to consumers from higher prices because of the lack of competition and the use of these laws to allow companies to "corner the market".
Although I may agree with some of your claims, you also need to look at the other side of the coin.
No, my reply was because your are totally WRONG. But trying to enlighten an ignorant ass such as yourself is pointless and self defeating.
Just to play your game for an instant if your read your post and mine you are saying exactly what i am telling you but you refuse to admit to yourself that what I said is actually correct. People will find another way. "Piracy" might be an issue, but its not the problem. It is a result of corporate (and personal) arrogance and delusional self worth (the actual problem). Thats why you think "piracy" is the problem. But Ill tell you what. As you are on your way to cry the blues to a bankruptcy court judge, I will wave politely as the competition (the "pirates") are laughing all the way to the bank. Its no big deal. Some people, like yourself, just have to learn the hard way. Good luck and see you when all your crying is over. Dont forget to tell the judge that the reason you failed was because of PIRATES ARR.
OH and by the way, I hope you only make those walking comment on peoples blogs. If not, you may want to review the Americans with Disabilities Act to see how it is enforced and what your penalties will be.
What, were you born stupid?
If 54% of the customers dont feel your price is FAIR for the "VALUE" then you lose sales. In this case 54% of those sales.
"establishes that their brand has value, that their goods are quality, etc, and charge a premium price for the goods based on the value proposition they put forward."
Value to who?? Not to the majority (54%) of the buying public. If people wont buy the product, from you, then it has no value for you, period. It doesnt matter how many times you say it or how many laws you get passed. the majority dont want it from you.
"Piracy" is not the problem. The problem is this twisted sense of corporate entitlements that jackasses like you have. "Piracy is the result of this problem. It is the competition that drives down the, as you put it, "premium price". Failure to realize this will result in your "premium" spot in the unemployment line when your company goes belly up. As for the people who actually designed or created the product, they will go work for the competition ("pirates") for fair market compensation.
"They buy the fakes for brand attachment, and 54% of them never buy the real thing to get the same experience, rather they are satisfied with the fake."
OK, assuming your numbers are correct, do you understand WHY this is happening?
"With hundreds of millions of counterfeit goods being sold, you cannot easily say that it is doing any good"
I think you misunderstand what "piracy" truly is (ignoring corporate hype)
"clear that money that might have been spent on actual goods is being diverted, and satisfying the needs of the majority of buyers"
Isnt that what any legitimate company is supposed to do? Satisfy the needs of the customer = BAD???
"Piracy"/blackmarket are NOT forces that work against the market, let alone destroy it. They are actually an integral part of the market (ie the competition). If you build a business based on the premise of gouge the customer so that you can have a million dollar compensation package, you are going to have problems. Paying off a government to have your competition declared illegal (and assign it a "bad name") wont help you either. When 54% of the costumers are more satisfied with the "cheap knock-offs" it shows how you dont understand the market and dont know how to run a business.
"Somewhere along the line, that has to hurt"
Yes it does, in your million dollar compensation package. "Satisfying the needs of the majority of buyers" is how you build a business AND how you stay in business. A company who spends their money fighting the competition on "trumped up legalities" instead of innovating and satisfying the customers is pouring their money down a rabbit hole. They should instead fire the "million dollar compensation package" (along with the lawyers) and find a way to compete.
"Piracy" is not the problem... It is the result of the problem!!!
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Thats exactly what the prohibitionist said to the public back in the day when they got alcohol banned. They even wasted a lot of time, money, and lives (yes, people died) trying to enforce it.
Guess what. Many many people just ignored it and now that law is no longer on the books. Just because you can pay to have a law passed, doesnt mean you can force people to comply with it. Keep dreaming. Your jails are only so big.
"If you don't like it, move somewhere where there is no copyright law."
If you remember correctly this country was copyright free first. So, If copyright is what you want, YOU move to somewhere where you can freely oppress the people. I hear theres room in China for you.
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Umm, before you go spouting unfounded statements, you need to learn what you are talking about. Read this and you will see how our founding fathers looked at property. just plug in the term "Intellectual Property".
http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/jan/21/jay-hottinger/rep-jay-hottingers -assessment-founding-father-unfo/
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Accepting campaign contributions, for political favors, is a bribe at most and a conflict of interest at the least. If it were just a conflict of interest, than the official should admit that upfront and abstain from voting on the legislation and/or voicing an opinion on pending government action. If it were a bribe, then well thats a crime and should be treated as such.
Now when campaign contributions, If I remember correctly, are given for (re)election purposes, if the politician doesnt run or losses they get to keep that money as income.
Looks like a bribe to me.
From WIKI:
"Bribery, a form of corruption, is an act implying money or gift given that alters the behavior of the recipient. Bribery constitutes a crime and is defined by Black's Law Dictionary as the offering, giving, receiving, or soliciting of any item of value to influence the actions of an official or other person in charge of a public or legal duty.
The bribe is the gift bestowed to influence the recipient's conduct. It may be any money, good, right in action, property, preferment, privilege, emolument, object of value, advantage, or merely a promise or undertaking to induce or influence the action, vote, or influence of a person in an official or public capacity."
Go figure.
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Investigate?
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We keep getting screwed on these licensing deals.
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As for control, the public wants to control what it consumes and how. Are mp3 players growing more popular than radios?. Also, thats why the backlash over drm. The more you try to control, the more "pirates" you create. If "piracy" is growing, then thats what the public is wanting. Fighting what the public wants, is like bitting off the hand that feeds you.
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Marketing?
Hmm... could someone use say... bitTorrent in a similar way?
NO, never mind. BitTorrent and its statistic trackers are just evil and need to be shut down.
I guess obscurity is the best way to get recognized and the only way to make money.
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As for costs, since you are going to look for every possible cost to the owner (real and imaginary), what of the costs to society (or individuals)from overly draconian patent/copyright/IP laws? The inhibitions to competition and innovation are first to come to mind. there are the cost to competitors from "rights holders" that sue other companies and individuals claiming infringement just to stop (or profit from) anothers product even when there is no infringement. There are also the cost to consumers from higher prices because of the lack of competition and the use of these laws to allow companies to "corner the market".
Although I may agree with some of your claims, you also need to look at the other side of the coin.
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Just to play your game for an instant if your read your post and mine you are saying exactly what i am telling you but you refuse to admit to yourself that what I said is actually correct. People will find another way. "Piracy" might be an issue, but its not the problem. It is a result of corporate (and personal) arrogance and delusional self worth (the actual problem). Thats why you think "piracy" is the problem. But Ill tell you what. As you are on your way to cry the blues to a bankruptcy court judge, I will wave politely as the competition (the "pirates") are laughing all the way to the bank. Its no big deal. Some people, like yourself, just have to learn the hard way. Good luck and see you when all your crying is over. Dont forget to tell the judge that the reason you failed was because of PIRATES ARR.
OH and by the way, I hope you only make those walking comment on peoples blogs. If not, you may want to review the Americans with Disabilities Act to see how it is enforced and what your penalties will be.
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If you cant run with the big dogs stay on the porch
Get a life you loser
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If 54% of the customers dont feel your price is FAIR for the "VALUE" then you lose sales. In this case 54% of those sales.
"establishes that their brand has value, that their goods are quality, etc, and charge a premium price for the goods based on the value proposition they put forward."
Value to who?? Not to the majority (54%) of the buying public. If people wont buy the product, from you, then it has no value for you, period. It doesnt matter how many times you say it or how many laws you get passed. the majority dont want it from you.
"Piracy" is not the problem. The problem is this twisted sense of corporate entitlements that jackasses like you have. "Piracy is the result of this problem. It is the competition that drives down the, as you put it, "premium price". Failure to realize this will result in your "premium" spot in the unemployment line when your company goes belly up. As for the people who actually designed or created the product, they will go work for the competition ("pirates") for fair market compensation.
And i walk just fine thank you
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OK, assuming your numbers are correct, do you understand WHY this is happening?
"With hundreds of millions of counterfeit goods being sold, you cannot easily say that it is doing any good"
I think you misunderstand what "piracy" truly is (ignoring corporate hype)
"clear that money that might have been spent on actual goods is being diverted, and satisfying the needs of the majority of buyers"
Isnt that what any legitimate company is supposed to do? Satisfy the needs of the customer = BAD???
"Piracy"/blackmarket are NOT forces that work against the market, let alone destroy it. They are actually an integral part of the market (ie the competition). If you build a business based on the premise of gouge the customer so that you can have a million dollar compensation package, you are going to have problems. Paying off a government to have your competition declared illegal (and assign it a "bad name") wont help you either. When 54% of the costumers are more satisfied with the "cheap knock-offs" it shows how you dont understand the market and dont know how to run a business.
"Somewhere along the line, that has to hurt"
Yes it does, in your million dollar compensation package. "Satisfying the needs of the majority of buyers" is how you build a business AND how you stay in business. A company who spends their money fighting the competition on "trumped up legalities" instead of innovating and satisfying the customers is pouring their money down a rabbit hole. They should instead fire the "million dollar compensation package" (along with the lawyers) and find a way to compete.
"Piracy" is not the problem... It is the result of the problem!!!
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