So, just because they're a "powerful multinational corporation" they don't enjoy the same rights as everyone else?
The fact that you don't like someone is not a valid reason to take away their rights.
I'm defending the idea of rights - of limits on the power of governments, elected or otherwise, to do injustice to people (and groups of people in corporations).
There may well be reason to complain about the particular rights granted to Uber or others under ISDS agreements.
That's entirely separate from the principle involved - that rights exist, that there are limits on what majorities may legitimately do to minorities (even if the minority is a wealthy corporation that you don't like).
Seems like a lot of people (not you, I hope, Wendy) really think that "elected representatives" ought to be entitled to do ANYTHING they want to ANYBODY for ANY reason or NO reason. Without limit or rules to restrain them.
I don't think so. That's mob rule, not liberal democracy. I like rights.
The kind that that compromises on on thing to get something else.
Politics is all about compromise. The alternative is to fight to the death.
It's not treason to cut the best deal you can get.
And there's nothing wrong with undermining "he power of the elected representatives" - that's what rights are all about - limiting the power of majorities and legislatures and governments.
Do you support the right to free speech? To a fair trial? Those are limitations on the power of elected representatives. THAT"S THEIR POINT.
Yes, it is more or less a right to rewrite the law.
Just as the Bill of Rights allows someone to "rewrite the law" when the law violates protected rights.
That's the whole point of rights - they are limits on what majorities, and legislatures, and governments, may do - there is a protected area that even a majority may not infringe on.
I like the idea of human rights. They are the difference between mob rule of liberal democracy.
And rights don't disappear the moment two people join together in a common purpose (as in a corporation).
"It essentially gives an individual the ability to threaten to sue a nation for millions -- even billions -- of dollars if the latter brings in new laws or regulations that might adversely affect fundamental rights."
I mean - the very idea - one tiny peon standing up for their rights against the State! How DARE they!
Horrifying, if you're a majoritarian who thinks 51%+1 of any population are entitled to enslave, torture, and murder the minority.
Not so horrifying,if you think people (and firms) have rights which States and majorities need to respect.
That's what We the People get as punishment for electing idiot legislators, most of whom are trained attorneys, so stupid that they enact laws that are clearly unconstitutional and will obviously be thrown out by the courts.
Terminated a customer or taken down content due to political pressure
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[] Except for the following: [explicit list]"
I don't see anything wrong with taking down sites (a) at the whim of the provider (they're a private firm, they don't owe service to anybody), or (b) due to political pressure, if that pressure is in accordance with law. Obeying the law is obeying political pressure, after all. You can't take the stand that you're going to disobey the law no matter what (not and expect to get away with it).
But you can make it transparent what you've done (and ideally, why). That should give their customers the confidence they need to do business with them.
If/when they get a NSL or equivalent that doesn't allow them to say they've done something, then is the time to take down the canary altogether.
BTW - a major typo in Cloudflare's statement:
"In August 2019, Cloudflare terminated service to 8chan based on their failure to moderate their hate-filled platform in a way that inspired murderous acts. "
I think they mean they did it because 8chan DID moderate their platform that way (not because they failed to).
I know I'll get jumped on for saying this, but I understand where Hayden is coming from (even if I don't agree).
He really fears Bad Guys with NBC weapons and associated terrorism. He fears it so much he's willing to surveil innocent people and "trash the 4th Amendment" (in Mike's words).
But he's realistic and knows the Bad Guys are not going to use weak encryption just because there's a law. They're Bad Guys, strong encryption exists - they will use it. And weakening the victim's encryption only makes them (us) even MORE vulnerable to the Bad Guys.
I don't agree with his conclusion, but I acknowledge that requires accepting a greater risk of the Bad Guys killing a lot of people in horrible ways. I just think preserving 4th amendment rights is more important than reducing that risk.
But this is something on which honest people can disagree.
I think we all owe each other a little benefit of the doubt, and a little charity re imputing motives. (At least, the world would be a nicer place if we did that.)
Yes, Musk loves publicity. But I'm fairly sure he also thought his submarine thing might really work, and he surely spent a lot of money and effort on it. There are worse motives than wanting to reap glory from saving the lives of kids.
Telling the guy to go away and "leave it to the professionals" - fine.
Telling him to shove it up his ass, in a very public way - unjustified insult.
As I said, Musk's "pedo guy" response was way over the top - and as a celebrity he ought to know better and control himself - but still understandable as an emotional reaction to being insulted for trying to help (however impractically).
I'm just imagining what was going on in the mind of the jurors. I think Unsworth and his lawyer made a big tactical error in asking for $190M. If he'd asked for $190k, he might have got it.
...by asking for $190M for something that was in the grey area between a rude insult and defamation.
If I were a juror, I'd have been inclined to award Unsworth a mostly-symbolic victory - a few thousand dollars - mainly to make him feel better after being picked on by a really famous guy who should know better. (The fact that Unsworth started the insult exchange for no good reason didn't work in his favor, but as a very public personality Musk should have been more careful.)
But when I saw Unsworth was looking for $190M, I lost all sympathy for him. He clearly was looking to cash in, not to be compensated fairly.
It wouldn't surprise me if some jurors thought the same way.
They already demand passports with photos to enter the country, photos which have been scanned and stored in a DHS database.
And they check those passports when you enter the US.
So if you travel they have your digitized photo and a complete record of your entries (and probably most of your exits).
What would this change, really? Not much. It just double-checks the immigration officer's comparison of your photo to your face at the little interview booth.
I'm not happy about the whole security theater situation, but we have to be realistic about what's worth a fight and what isn't.
On the post: Uber Wins Dubious Honor Of Being First Big Tech Company To Bully A Small Nation Using Corporate Sovereignty
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kinda like a Bill of Rights
Calling me a twat isn't an effective way to convince me (or anyone) of the correctness of your argument. I didn't call you any names.
Perhaps you simply don't have an answer to my arguments.
On the post: Uber Wins Dubious Honor Of Being First Big Tech Company To Bully A Small Nation Using Corporate Sovereignty
Re: Re: Kinda like a Bill of Rights
Sounds like you have a problem with the idea of rights, AC.
On the post: Uber Wins Dubious Honor Of Being First Big Tech Company To Bully A Small Nation Using Corporate Sovereignty
Re: Re: Re: Kinda like a Bill of Rights
So, just because they're a "powerful multinational corporation" they don't enjoy the same rights as everyone else?
The fact that you don't like someone is not a valid reason to take away their rights.
I'm defending the idea of rights - of limits on the power of governments, elected or otherwise, to do injustice to people (and groups of people in corporations).
There may well be reason to complain about the particular rights granted to Uber or others under ISDS agreements.
That's entirely separate from the principle involved - that rights exist, that there are limits on what majorities may legitimately do to minorities (even if the minority is a wealthy corporation that you don't like).
Seems like a lot of people (not you, I hope, Wendy) really think that "elected representatives" ought to be entitled to do ANYTHING they want to ANYBODY for ANY reason or NO reason. Without limit or rules to restrain them.
I don't think so. That's mob rule, not liberal democracy. I like rights.
On the post: Uber Wins Dubious Honor Of Being First Big Tech Company To Bully A Small Nation Using Corporate Sovereignty
Re: Re: Re: What kind of politician
The kind that that compromises on on thing to get something else.
Politics is all about compromise. The alternative is to fight to the death.
It's not treason to cut the best deal you can get.
And there's nothing wrong with undermining "he power of the elected representatives" - that's what rights are all about - limiting the power of majorities and legislatures and governments.
Do you support the right to free speech? To a fair trial? Those are limitations on the power of elected representatives. THAT"S THEIR POINT.
On the post: Uber Wins Dubious Honor Of Being First Big Tech Company To Bully A Small Nation Using Corporate Sovereignty
Re: Re: Re: the right to rewrite the law
Yes, it is more or less a right to rewrite the law.
Just as the Bill of Rights allows someone to "rewrite the law" when the law violates protected rights.
That's the whole point of rights - they are limits on what majorities, and legislatures, and governments, may do - there is a protected area that even a majority may not infringe on.
I like the idea of human rights. They are the difference between mob rule of liberal democracy.
And rights don't disappear the moment two people join together in a common purpose (as in a corporation).
On the post: Airbus Asks Court To Dismiss Chuck Yeager's Lawsuit, Pointing Out It Doesn't Allege Anything Actionable
Yeager is 96 years old...give him a break
At that age he probably has little idea what's going on around him. I don't think he's been seen in public in a long time.
I'll guess that his greedy kids are colluding with the shyster, hoping for a quick "go away" payoff.
On the post: Uber Wins Dubious Honor Of Being First Big Tech Company To Bully A Small Nation Using Corporate Sovereignty
Kinda like a Bill of Rights
"It essentially gives an individual the ability to threaten to sue a nation for millions -- even billions -- of dollars if the latter brings in new laws or regulations that might adversely affect fundamental rights."
I mean - the very idea - one tiny peon standing up for their rights against the State! How DARE they!
Horrifying, if you're a majoritarian who thinks 51%+1 of any population are entitled to enslave, torture, and murder the minority.
Not so horrifying,if you think people (and firms) have rights which States and majorities need to respect.
On the post: Bad Ideas: Raising The Arbitrary Age Of Internet Service 'Consent' To 16
Re: Re: Why would anyone put a real date there?
Because it's easier to remember than a made-up one.
Perhaps the best policy is to pick a single fake date (easy to remember) for the 99% of cases where it doesn't matter if it's real.
Preferably sometime in the year 1900. That flags it as honestly, transparently, fake.
(If you were actually born in 1900, I apologize.)
On the post: Appeals Court Makes The Right Call Regarding Non-Commercial Creative Commons Licenses
Re: Re: Step 2. Give copies away.
The court disagrees with you.
The copying agency was hired to make copies on behalf of the licensee.
The copying agency was selling copy services, not the content. It's no the same thing.
On the post: Getting Better, Finally: Intuit's Shady Actions For Free File Program Lead To Change In IRS Deal
Trump sucks! [eom]
On the post: EU Patent Office Rejects Two Patent Applications In Which An AI Was Designated As The Inventor
Re: Freakin writer's blindness...
There's plenty of money to be made without a monopoly.
99+% of all commerce doesn't involve any monopolies.
On the post: Minnesota Appeals Court Nukes State's Broadly-Written Revenge Porn Law
Re: Re: Put Him in Prison Anyway
Yes.
That's what We the People get as punishment for electing idiot legislators, most of whom are trained attorneys, so stupid that they enact laws that are clearly unconstitutional and will obviously be thrown out by the courts.
Next time vote more carefully, people!
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Re: voting rights restoration for felons
How do you feel about taking away people's right to travel?
To live where they want?
To leave a given building?
We do all that to convicted criminals. It's called "prison".
On the post: Cloudflare Removes Warrant Canary: Thoughtful Post Says It Can No Longer Say It Hasn't Removed A Site Due To Political Pressure
Kudos to Cloudflare for thinking hard about this.
I think the best solution here is transparency:
"We have never:
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[] Except for the following: [explicit list]"
I don't see anything wrong with taking down sites (a) at the whim of the provider (they're a private firm, they don't owe service to anybody), or (b) due to political pressure, if that pressure is in accordance with law. Obeying the law is obeying political pressure, after all. You can't take the stand that you're going to disobey the law no matter what (not and expect to get away with it).
But you can make it transparent what you've done (and ideally, why). That should give their customers the confidence they need to do business with them.
If/when they get a NSL or equivalent that doesn't allow them to say they've done something, then is the time to take down the canary altogether.
BTW - a major typo in Cloudflare's statement:
"In August 2019, Cloudflare terminated service to 8chan based on their failure to moderate their hate-filled platform in a way that inspired murderous acts. "
I think they mean they did it because 8chan DID moderate their platform that way (not because they failed to).
On the post: Elon Musk And SpaceX Just Backed Down From Earlier Promise To Release SpaceX Photos To The Public Domain
"why is SpaceX doing this?"
...ask them?
On the post: Michael Hayden Ran The NSA And CIA: Now Warns That Encryption Backdoors Will Harm American Security & Tech Leadership
Hayden has always been sincere
I know I'll get jumped on for saying this, but I understand where Hayden is coming from (even if I don't agree).
He really fears Bad Guys with NBC weapons and associated terrorism. He fears it so much he's willing to surveil innocent people and "trash the 4th Amendment" (in Mike's words).
But he's realistic and knows the Bad Guys are not going to use weak encryption just because there's a law. They're Bad Guys, strong encryption exists - they will use it. And weakening the victim's encryption only makes them (us) even MORE vulnerable to the Bad Guys.
I don't agree with his conclusion, but I acknowledge that requires accepting a greater risk of the Bad Guys killing a lot of people in horrible ways. I just think preserving 4th amendment rights is more important than reducing that risk.
But this is something on which honest people can disagree.
[OK, start attacking me now...]
On the post: The Subtweet Defense Wins: Elon Musk Cleared In Defamation Case
Re: Re: Unsworth shot himself in the foot
I think we all owe each other a little benefit of the doubt, and a little charity re imputing motives. (At least, the world would be a nicer place if we did that.)
Yes, Musk loves publicity. But I'm fairly sure he also thought his submarine thing might really work, and he surely spent a lot of money and effort on it. There are worse motives than wanting to reap glory from saving the lives of kids.
Telling the guy to go away and "leave it to the professionals" - fine.
Telling him to shove it up his ass, in a very public way - unjustified insult.
As I said, Musk's "pedo guy" response was way over the top - and as a celebrity he ought to know better and control himself - but still understandable as an emotional reaction to being insulted for trying to help (however impractically).
I'm just imagining what was going on in the mind of the jurors. I think Unsworth and his lawyer made a big tactical error in asking for $190M. If he'd asked for $190k, he might have got it.
On the post: The Subtweet Defense Wins: Elon Musk Cleared In Defamation Case
Unsworth shot himself in the foot
...by asking for $190M for something that was in the grey area between a rude insult and defamation.
If I were a juror, I'd have been inclined to award Unsworth a mostly-symbolic victory - a few thousand dollars - mainly to make him feel better after being picked on by a really famous guy who should know better. (The fact that Unsworth started the insult exchange for no good reason didn't work in his favor, but as a very public personality Musk should have been more careful.)
But when I saw Unsworth was looking for $190M, I lost all sympathy for him. He clearly was looking to cash in, not to be compensated fairly.
It wouldn't surprise me if some jurors thought the same way.
On the post: DHS Wanted To Add US Citizens To The Long List Of People Subjected To Mandatory Face Scans At Airports... But Has Backed Down For Now
Re: Re: Big deal - not
Yes, it is.
But you have to pick your battles.
On the post: DHS Wanted To Add US Citizens To The Long List Of People Subjected To Mandatory Face Scans At Airports... But Has Backed Down For Now
Big deal - not
They already demand passports with photos to enter the country, photos which have been scanned and stored in a DHS database.
And they check those passports when you enter the US.
So if you travel they have your digitized photo and a complete record of your entries (and probably most of your exits).
What would this change, really? Not much. It just double-checks the immigration officer's comparison of your photo to your face at the little interview booth.
I'm not happy about the whole security theater situation, but we have to be realistic about what's worth a fight and what isn't.
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