It seems like the copyright holders would rather the old publications are lost forever rather than allowing them to be legitimately backed up digitally. What kind of logic is this?
They still retain their precious copyrights even if the books are digitized and they can go on their merry way and sue everybody for copyright infringement just like all of the other short-sighted and dying companies like the RIAA/MPAA do. Heck, maybe they can team up and get pointers from the RIAA/MPAA on the best way to go about suing people stupid enough to want what they own copyrights of!
Regardless, it seems to me like the author is not in any way making sweeping exaggerations or hyperbole, and certainly not fear-mongering.
Well, I could be wrong about the fear-mongering I suppose.
It stands to reason that a person who views the complete and total loss of historical literary works due to stupid bureaucracies and draconian copyright law as merely "fear mongering" then they really don't care about literature anyway so of course there will be no "fear" about the loss.
Pretty clear cut article - back up the books digitally or lose them forever due to the natural process of decay - it's the copyright holders call.
Heck, I guess they could re-write them by hand or even bust out a typewriter and do it themselves if they were so inclined. Just do something before they are lost completely.
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When I see stuff like what Reznor is doing I make it a point to support them by buying there stuff. Because I can appreciate the fact that he's breaking new ground and trying something new and I have a lot of respect for that.
Re: This simplistic view is getting really tiresom
You know what? Then come up with a better idea! Isn't that what it's all about anyway, regardless of what side you may pick? Seriously, as a consumer, all I want is for you guys to figure something out and do it that DOESN'T involve attacking me in some way or another through stuff like restrictive DRM or lawsuits.
It's really that simple, so when people like Mike here at Techdirt offer up some sound and thoughtful commentary on the state of the music industry, I can appreciate it.
"Don't like the prospect of getting terminated by an employer? Create your own business. Work for yourself and your customers and learn how to swim with the marketplace current instead of against it." Sounds like good advice for the RIAA/MPAA to me! Especially the part about working for yourself and your customers and learning how to swim with the current marketplace instead of against it. :) http://www.news.com/5208-10784_3-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=33537&messageID=362790& start=0
"Don't like the prospect of getting terminated by an employer? Create your own business. Work for yourself and your customers and learn how to swim with the marketplace current instead of against it."
Sounds like good advice for the RIAA/MPAA to me! Especially the part about working for yourself and your customers and learning how to swim with the current marketplace instead of against it. :)
http://www.news.com/5208-10784_3-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=33537&messageID=362790& start=0
"In fact, we could solve the current mortgage crisis by convincing the banks and loan companies to simply forgive whatever is still owed by the people who took out the loans. The lending institutions will make lots of money and no one will ever be homeless again! WOW! Am I ever glad I discovered the great thinking of all the people who post here. I'll have to spread the word a.s.a.p."
Not a bad analogy really since the banks and loan companies have nobody but themselves to blame for the crisis they are in. Pretty much just like the RIAA and Music Industry have contributed to their own failures. You make stupid decisions and operate solely from a position of greed and dishonesty, then it may come back to bite you in the end.
Looks like we are finally turning a corner on this thing! Once it is fully realized that the RIAA is not needed to move forward, I think we will see some big changes. The artists are the ones that really need to wake up and take notice of what's going on around them. The artists are the ones that truly hold the power, not the RIAA.
As consumers I think most of us can agree that we still want the music that artists produce/write/etc... We just want to be able to have the freedom to consume it in a reasonable and economical manner.
The days of the 15 to 20 dollar CD are long gone. Now it's all about digital and MP3 players and convenience. This medium needs to be embraced fully by everyone on both sides and we need to move forward and come up with a strategy that is good for everybody involved.
Essentially -
Reasonable Fair Use Rights for the Consumer
Unencumbered Media (No DRM basically)
Reasonable Pricing
"She offered no evidence in her own defense. 'I didn't do it' isn't evidence."
I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on the RIAA's evidence. Based on what they presented, it doesn't appear they had much in the way of evidence that directly implicated the accused. It seemed dubious at best.
"an artist/owner has the right to make/create music, and to charge whatever he chooses.
an artist/owner has the right to give it away for free if he chooses.
an artist/owner has the right to use his content pretty much anyway he/she chooses.
an artist/owner can tell me what i can/can't do with the content that i'm going to buy from him.
an artist/owner has to disclose the rights/obligations upfront (prior to purchase) in really bold/clear language!!"
I am pretty sure no one will disagree with the assertions you make here because it seems like a reasonable thing to expect for the work an artist does when he creates.
Here's the disconnect in my mind though. I don't think that most of the artists/distributors/backers etc.. have understood or even acknowledged the fact that it's a different world now. It's not like it used to be in which there was a focus on physical media. The focus is moving away from physical media formats and it will continue. There is no going back.
Given that, a new game plan and a new business model is needed in order for them to survive. With the new digital media age comes new problems, issues, and ideas that all need to be worked out between those who want to sell the media and those that want to consume the media. Right now, the emphasis still seems to be focused on media cost and how to make the most profit possible from the sale of media. My contention is that this is the wrong way to go about it. Emphasis should be placed less on price of the media itself and more on the value of it through promotions, advertising, etc...
There really is a middle ground somewhere that I think both sides could agree to. We just need to somehow find a way to let go of some fears and take the plunge.
The cat is out of the bag now, there is no way it's gonna be put back in the bag, so it's time to move on and accept it. This seems to be the biggest hurdle that the RIAA/MPAA and others seem to have. Ironically, so called "piracy" will continue to happen, no matter what. It is a simple and undeniable truth.
Man I hope the court comes down hard on them for this. It's really sad how far the RIAA is allowed to go in it's attempts to save it's failing business model. This is yet another example for us to see.
Hopefully, more and more examples will follow, which at some point help the RIAA to understand what they are doing is wrong. Innovate or die RIAA.
I can't wait to see this report myself. I"m sure it will be useful only in the sense of us, (meaning the real consumers that you guys are hurting), wiping our collective butts with it if we somehow were to run out of toilet paper.
Entertainment is going to happen with or without these two organizations. (MPAA/RIAA)
They will either learn how to compete as the market changes or they continue to ignore what the market dictates and eventually go bankrupt and die an agonizing and harsh market death.
Unless they learn to respect our Fair Use Rights, embrace technology, and just accept the fact that Piracy will happen no matter what, I don't think they will make it.
I guess if you don't mind paying for things twice then it's okay. CD's and DVD's certainly don't last forever. It's not their right to sell me something that will only last for a finite amount of time ESPECIALLY if I have the means to back up ie.. copy what I legitemately paid for in the first place.
You really think that their idea of fair use is going to allow for anything remotely close to fair for the consumer? If more copy protection was the actual solution to this problem then maybe. But it's not. That's their only answer though. More copy protection and less rights to what we rightfully paid for and thus own.
This is what happens when big money assumes that people are stupid. I am glad that it's not having an affect on anyone. It serves them right and further proves the point that they need to find a way to change with the times, not continue to hold onto an old, tired, business model that has never been fair to anyone except their bankrolls.
On the post: Arguing Over Copyright While Books Disintegrate
I don't understand it
They still retain their precious copyrights even if the books are digitized and they can go on their merry way and sue everybody for copyright infringement just like all of the other short-sighted and dying companies like the RIAA/MPAA do. Heck, maybe they can team up and get pointers from the RIAA/MPAA on the best way to go about suing people stupid enough to want what they own copyrights of!
Regardless, it seems to me like the author is not in any way making sweeping exaggerations or hyperbole, and certainly not fear-mongering.
Well, I could be wrong about the fear-mongering I suppose.
It stands to reason that a person who views the complete and total loss of historical literary works due to stupid bureaucracies and draconian copyright law as merely "fear mongering" then they really don't care about literature anyway so of course there will be no "fear" about the loss.
Pretty clear cut article - back up the books digitally or lose them forever due to the natural process of decay - it's the copyright holders call.
Heck, I guess they could re-write them by hand or even bust out a typewriter and do it themselves if they were so inclined. Just do something before they are lost completely.
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Re: Re: This simplistic view is getting really tir
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Re: This simplistic view is getting really tiresom
It's really that simple, so when people like Mike here at Techdirt offer up some sound and thoughtful commentary on the state of the music industry, I can appreciate it.
On the post: Reznor Grosses $1.6 Million In The First Week Of Ghosts I-IV
Re:
Funny or sad maybe.
On the post: A Psychological Explanation For RIAA Short-Sightedness
I wonder who this quote is from?
On the post: Latest Trick From RIAA: Pissing Off Music Reviewers With Annoying Voice Over Anti-Piracy Messages
I wonder who this partial quote is from?
On the post: Radiohead's Physical Album Selling Well
Re: It's a promotion. That's all.
Not a bad analogy really since the banks and loan companies have nobody but themselves to blame for the crisis they are in. Pretty much just like the RIAA and Music Industry have contributed to their own failures. You make stupid decisions and operate solely from a position of greed and dishonesty, then it may come back to bite you in the end.
On the post: Next Up To Ditch Record Label: Madonna
Finally..
As consumers I think most of us can agree that we still want the music that artists produce/write/etc... We just want to be able to have the freedom to consume it in a reasonable and economical manner.
The days of the 15 to 20 dollar CD are long gone. Now it's all about digital and MP3 players and convenience. This medium needs to be embraced fully by everyone on both sides and we need to move forward and come up with a strategy that is good for everybody involved.
Essentially -
Reasonable Fair Use Rights for the Consumer
Unencumbered Media (No DRM basically)
Reasonable Pricing
On the post: RIAA Wins Case, Gloats
Re: Fair and just
I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on the RIAA's evidence. Based on what they presented, it doesn't appear they had much in the way of evidence that directly implicated the accused. It seemed dubious at best.
On the post: Chalk One Up For The Armchair Economists
But
"an artist/owner has the right to make/create music, and to charge whatever he chooses.
an artist/owner has the right to give it away for free if he chooses.
an artist/owner has the right to use his content pretty much anyway he/she chooses.
an artist/owner can tell me what i can/can't do with the content that i'm going to buy from him.
an artist/owner has to disclose the rights/obligations upfront (prior to purchase) in really bold/clear language!!"
I am pretty sure no one will disagree with the assertions you make here because it seems like a reasonable thing to expect for the work an artist does when he creates.
Here's the disconnect in my mind though. I don't think that most of the artists/distributors/backers etc.. have understood or even acknowledged the fact that it's a different world now. It's not like it used to be in which there was a focus on physical media. The focus is moving away from physical media formats and it will continue. There is no going back.
Given that, a new game plan and a new business model is needed in order for them to survive. With the new digital media age comes new problems, issues, and ideas that all need to be worked out between those who want to sell the media and those that want to consume the media. Right now, the emphasis still seems to be focused on media cost and how to make the most profit possible from the sale of media. My contention is that this is the wrong way to go about it. Emphasis should be placed less on price of the media itself and more on the value of it through promotions, advertising, etc...
There really is a middle ground somewhere that I think both sides could agree to. We just need to somehow find a way to let go of some fears and take the plunge.
The cat is out of the bag now, there is no way it's gonna be put back in the bag, so it's time to move on and accept it. This seems to be the biggest hurdle that the RIAA/MPAA and others seem to have. Ironically, so called "piracy" will continue to happen, no matter what. It is a simple and undeniable truth.
Anyway, rambling nonsense poster guy, signing out...
Good Luck
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Typical
Hopefully, more and more examples will follow, which at some point help the RIAA to understand what they are doing is wrong. Innovate or die RIAA.
On the post: The Shift From CDs To Downloads Is So Much More Than A Format Change
Oh yes.
Objective and Compelling? I think not.
Funny and Sad at the same time? Certainly.
On the post: Why I Hope The RIAA Succeeds
I'm with you!
They will either learn how to compete as the market changes or they continue to ignore what the market dictates and eventually go bankrupt and die an agonizing and harsh market death.
Unless they learn to respect our Fair Use Rights, embrace technology, and just accept the fact that Piracy will happen no matter what, I don't think they will make it.
Just my humble opinion though... :)
On the post: Does The Entertainment Industry Understand Legitimate Use?
Re: That isn't bad, per se.
You really think that their idea of fair use is going to allow for anything remotely close to fair for the consumer? If more copy protection was the actual solution to this problem then maybe. But it's not. That's their only answer though. More copy protection and less rights to what we rightfully paid for and thus own.
On the post: Project To Brainwash Kids Not Working So Well
Is it any wonder?
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