"considerable damage ... financial costs or loss of financial data"
And how the hell are they going to determine what considerable damage is? The copyright trolls think downloading a single song causes them thousands of dollars of damage and the scariest thing is that judges agree with them sometimes. How much are corporations going to claim for being taken offline or having a damaging message up for several hours? If you don't define the size of the stick they're allowed to use to beat people up they're gonna go for a trunk of a sequoia tree...
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Oh well, in that case you'd better start paying up to the guys who invented the reguler meter and the guy who invented bolts. Because without a previous measuring device and a bolt you'd have nothing to improve on either.
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Yeah, sure, it's completely ingrained in our culture. Right now. But to ancient writers, all the way up to the middle ages copying (subatantial parts of) previous works (without giving credit) was completely normal and acceptable. Why do you think fairytales never have a 'true' author, do you seriously think the brothers Grimm came up with everything they wrote down themselves?
I'm also wondering who came up with your fairytale about the spear. It's completely ridiculous, because humans lived and hunted in family groups, like modern day monkeys. There would have been no profit whatsoever to keeping the spear to yourself, since hunting was done in groups and the bounty was shared in the entire group. The only way you'd really get to profit was by teaching the rest of the group so as a group you could kill more effectively. Even then the group would probably have no incentive to kill much more because hunting is risky business and why kill more than you can eat, while risking life and limb? Human culture is based on copying and sometimes someone wouldn't just copy, but also slightly improve on the previous, which would then be copied again. That's how our civilization came to be, deal with it, copyright isn't 'natural' at all.
Which is why 10 to 20 years seems perfectly fair to me. That way no death threats to authors and no issues with the ímmortality of companies. Plus it seems kinda fair that an authors next of kin can profit from the rights for some time should the author drop dead a week after publishing. There's no reason to let several generations afterward profit, but some of these authors have families too you know...
Ah, I knew someone would understand. All this nonsense about 'the little guy'. Bono needs his 24kt golden, diamond studded backscratcher, so they just gotta shut up and help the poor guy out!
"He added that the campaign had also had a considerable influence on Members of the European Parliament and, following recent contacts with various political groups, he now felt it would be difficult to muster a majority in favour of ACTA within the EP."
Luckily the EP members seem to remember they've been elected (and want to get votes next time around). So at least there's some hope.
That sounds like fun, maybe we could do that for the next anti-ACTA protest :3 I went one on the 11th, but probably can't go this weekend... I got a really bad cold T^T
Eat that copyright trolls! I'm definitely going to the next protest as well. :D Hopefully we can convince the Dutch representatives to vote against it as well. So far there's far less protest here though...
Thank you for making this point, I was about to put it down myself. The 'like' which is mentioned in the text refers not to a personality, but to the way you are treated. ALL industries are held responsible for the way they treat their customers.
You don't tend to buy from an internet store a second time if you get a broken product and no proper apology and refund. It's all about customer service. I'd never buy anything from Apple with their freakish ITunes program. I also only buy CD's, so if my computer/mp3-player dies I can just rip it again. The quality of an actual CD just so happens to be much better too. Sure, I'll buy music files, as soon as they sell files which are the same quality as a cd and which I can copy to as many of my own devices as I want.
That's what this is about, they're spitting in the faces of their customers and expecting to get paid for it.
Yeah, right. I'll rest when ACTA has been properly killed off. The only reason protests aren't more massive is that this treaty has been kept quiet for so long. As more people realise what this treaty actually means opposition will only grow.
I agree as well, a lot of the books I've read for free are things I'd otherwise never have read or bought. And it's not just special editions in my case, I like owning an actual copy of books I really like, even if it's just a paperback. In my case I've also downloaded books which I already own just for convenience, I think it would be ideal if publishers would supply an ebook with the real copy (preferably for free, but I'd also be willing to pay a bit extra).
"If I sell you a copy, and you choose to retain the copy until the copyright is done, you can do what you want with it."
Except in this case the artists evil sales manager has set the copy he's sold to be uncopyable and self combust after a certain amount of time, making it necessary to create an illegal copy if you actually want to preserve anything.
The article isn't trying to justify mass sharing of these copies, but definitely sheds a light on some of the negative effects of copyright and positive ones of pirating.
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"considerable damage ... financial costs or loss of financial data"
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I'm also wondering who came up with your fairytale about the spear. It's completely ridiculous, because humans lived and hunted in family groups, like modern day monkeys. There would have been no profit whatsoever to keeping the spear to yourself, since hunting was done in groups and the bounty was shared in the entire group. The only way you'd really get to profit was by teaching the rest of the group so as a group you could kill more effectively. Even then the group would probably have no incentive to kill much more because hunting is risky business and why kill more than you can eat, while risking life and limb? Human culture is based on copying and sometimes someone wouldn't just copy, but also slightly improve on the previous, which would then be copied again. That's how our civilization came to be, deal with it, copyright isn't 'natural' at all.
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Luckily the EP members seem to remember they've been elected (and want to get votes next time around). So at least there's some hope.
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Now where's my Jolly Roger?
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That sounds like fun, maybe we could do that for the next anti-ACTA protest :3 I went one on the 11th, but probably can't go this weekend... I got a really bad cold T^T
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Muahahaha >:D
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Thank you for making this point, I was about to put it down myself. The 'like' which is mentioned in the text refers not to a personality, but to the way you are treated. ALL industries are held responsible for the way they treat their customers.
You don't tend to buy from an internet store a second time if you get a broken product and no proper apology and refund. It's all about customer service. I'd never buy anything from Apple with their freakish ITunes program. I also only buy CD's, so if my computer/mp3-player dies I can just rip it again. The quality of an actual CD just so happens to be much better too. Sure, I'll buy music files, as soon as they sell files which are the same quality as a cd and which I can copy to as many of my own devices as I want.
That's what this is about, they're spitting in the faces of their customers and expecting to get paid for it.
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"let the protesters tire themsleves out"
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"If I sell you a copy, and you choose to retain the copy until the copyright is done, you can do what you want with it."
Except in this case the artists evil sales manager has set the copy he's sold to be uncopyable and self combust after a certain amount of time, making it necessary to create an illegal copy if you actually want to preserve anything.
The article isn't trying to justify mass sharing of these copies, but definitely sheds a light on some of the negative effects of copyright and positive ones of pirating.
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