In some cases try more than 30 years old. For all that it's remarkably resilient stuff.
I don't disagree with the central point of your post but for a system that's "broken" it works incredibly well which is a testament to the work they did and are doing.
Nor do I disagree that SOPA/PIPA will take an uncomfortable, at times, situation and really, really make it broken.
And this sort of thing is never completed. To think so would be foolish. You only find these things over time and when usage increases in ways you never dreamed possible or had nightmares about. ;-)
No, this is a troll who likes to toss around accusations, assertions of how much he knows in spite of statements showing how ignorant he really is and generally making a pest of himself.
He's a continuing bad joke who thinks he's important/funny. But you gotta admit he'd fit right in in the US Congress these days. They're much the same.
Re: Politicians No Longer Work For the National Interest
Not that it justifies this kind of political behaviour just about every president in my memory has done this as they start to prepare to run for a second term.
It's often in the second term when they don't have to worry about re-election that real stuff starts happening because they aren't essentially on the campaign trail for 4 years.
And the best way of telling, in a parliamentary system, that an election is near is when the governing party and Cabinet start to defer things like crazy.
Though we don't have term limits in Canada the best way to tell that a Prime Minister is in his last term is when really important stuff starts to happen that they might pay for at the ballot box, Say the repatriation of Canada's Constitution and the Charter of Rights when Trudeau pulled that one off. Then he retired.
His party lost the following election and badly. Less because we were mad at him than it quickly became obvious to us that his successor just didn't have it. Kinda a middle-left Michelle Bachman.
It doesn't make things any better or justify that behaviour in any way.
If there's useful information on a network I normally loathe I'll link to it or embed it. Even if it's Fox. For Viacom.
It's the information that's important not the medium. And I can find these legally quite easily if it comes to that. Or on YouTube or somewhere else if it doesn't.
To turn Marshall McLuhan on his head there are times when it's the message that's more important than the medium.
Those of us outside of the States go through this all the time so it's no biggie.
It does show the stupidity of national/regional licensing mind you. If Viacom were interested in promoting the show they'd come to a revenue sharing deal with The Comedy Channel in Canada, in this case, If my IP geo-locates to Canada then the Canadian targeted ads and revenue from that go to The Comedy Channel. Simple. Not even much of an accounting problem these days to do that. It's all completely automated if you need to ask.
"The end game for content ownership is the end game for content."
I don't know how many times I have to point this out but I'll try again.
Humans have been creating "content" since time immemorial. Lots and lots of it.
And, about the same time we started to figure out agriculture we invented writing. Then it became easier to create content. We shared that content without IP laws. Agriculture spread, but also so did the stories we told around the fire in the evening, they were expanded, added to and shared. All without IP laws. We built things like pyramids and temples then because we could communicate things like mathematics and architecture. All without IP laws.
We invented stuff, lots of stuff. From simple plows to what's arguably the first analog computer in antiquity -- the Greeks, if you need to ask. We figured out that the world was round without having to go into space to actually look at it. We developed laws, wrote and duplicated scrolls of fiction, non-fiction, histories and plays, all without IP laws.
A small group of weirdos called The Hebrews wrote down their stories, the basis of an insignificant collection of those stories we call The Bible. All without IP laws. Another fella came along, not quite agreeing with his religious peers. sought to reform things and was executed for it because the authorities couldn't figure out another way to deal with non-violent dissent and Christianity was born from the stories told about him. Another guy came along who didn't like how Christians and Jews were applying their faiths in his area, wrote it all down and Islam was born. All without IP laws. (For which Jews, Christians, Muslims, followers of the Buddha, Sikhs, Jains, Hindus, followers of Confucius and and countless other faiths and variations are very, very grateful.)
Ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese and others developed many goods and products, many methods of doing things and wrote about them making them available to others and that was shared. All without IP laws.
Music, plays, stories, dances, instruments, naval architecture and the basis for everything we do today were first developed without IP laws and freely shared. All without IP laws. The telescope appeared. Without IP laws.
The point is that "content" not only existed but it flourished in the absence of what we call IP laws for the simple fact that we humans are an intelligent, curious, creative and endlessly communicative species. We share. It's part of our DNA, if you will.
Our civilization arose from sharing not from hiding behind IP laws.
It's argued that IP laws arose to ensure creative people were paid for their work. To an extent I'll agree with that though if you look carefully at it that wasn't the main goal of copyright and patent laws though they have that effect IF the creative person is smart enough to hold onto their patent or copyright. Maybe.
It certainly wasn't created for the use of mega corporations with tons of money to spend on legislators or political parties to ensure that what, till now, has been somewhat useful in our human quest to share become walled gardens behind legal razor wire so we can't share it and they can continue to earn money off the creations of others. Who they then move heaven and earth to actually PAY.
Finally, isn't the point of "content" to share it? Isn't the point of invention to share a solution to a problem that's been bugging the hell out of the person who invented it to share it?
To rent it, to charge for access to a theatre or multiplex to watch it, to stuff it full of ads in the hope of paying for it, to perhaps get paid for the invention along the way, to lend it, to charge rents for access to it, to lend it? In short to SHARE it?
Why create a story when you can't tell it? Why create a lawn mower if you can't show it to someone and sell them one? (Or exchange it for that really, really fertile ram you've got so my sheep can "be fruitful and multiply".)
There are already criminal laws in place to deal with the vendors of counterfeit and potentially dangerous pharmaceuticals. There are military and security rules in place to govern the supply lines to those organizations. If someone or a group of someones is breaking those rules court martial them, criminally charge them or properly supervise them. (Or for some items stop the stupidity of lowest bid price rules, you get what you pay for, right?)
Just what, precisely, don't you get about this? And just what exactly don't you get about the uncomfortable fact, for you, that for something like 200,000 years since humans first put stick to clay tablet and invented writing the vast majority of this has occurred without IP laws?
And now, tell me, just what do SOPA and PIPA do to enhance that sharing? Free or for profit? Or enhance security supply lines? Nothing, that's what. My best guess is that it will make it, temporarily, harder until we humans, inventive and creative as we are get around it. Rest assured, we (as a species) will.
And all of this for two, relatively and economically speaking, two very small industries. Call it what you will, bail out or welfare or protectionism. It's all the same in the end.
So it's the people DOWNLOADING that are at fault for all of this! Gee, didn't know that.
Put another way, it's the market that is responsible for this.
I have another fine idea for you then. Rather than just muck about with the side effects how about doing away with the free market altogether? That should work! No pirates then.
Oh, wait a second. Aren't SOPA and PIPA already trying to do that?
I was about to ask if you had a couple of brain cells to rub together and the same number of synapses that would enable you to get from brain to typing fingers but, essentially beat me to it.
I was kinda thinking that banning your trolls but then thought about it for a moment then realized that you're doing more damage to SOPA and so-called IP laws than this and a thousand sites like it ever could by merely pointing out a few facts.
With that in mind, and keeping in mind that you're more the second part of being an AC than the first, I thank you very much for your contribution to the cause. You're invaluable. Just not to the cause you think.
Substance? Our friendly AC doesn't deal with substance. Ad hominem is easier and faster to dash off. I'm just surprised it took as long as it did for this story.
Nothing's happened yet, though. Let's see what is left when this is all over and the debates and votes are done. At the very least it ought to be interesting.
I'd agree they probably over -reacted but the privacy commissioner in BC has said that anything which exposes citizens to the terms of the PATRIOT act opens the municipality up to liability should private information get into hands of American agencies via the PATRIOT act. The Supreme Court of Ontario, if memory serves, has already agreed that that is the case.
Now you see why anyone with brains sends out us technician/trades/crafts type people. We do it right the first time, check the engineer and make sure the parts are all still there if we got there second :)
Then call up the engineer and ask why there's a Cisco router here with no parts in it and the customer is out of service and he has 10 minutes to replace what he nicked :)
AFAIK The revisions remove the DNS stupidity. And even if they don't Verizon, ATT and Comcast are carriers as well as ISPs and get to make their comments more quietly and through channels as in an "are you nuts" that way. It's that status that they look after the backbones and connections of the Internet domestically and links out to the world, after all. Particularly AT&T. And I can assure you they've made their opposition to that part of SOPA known as carriers not as ISPs.
As that bit isn't going ahead that part isn't an issue anymore. If it comes up again, well, then I guess it's break the internet time again. Which you'd know if you were a tenth as well versed in networking as you claim to be.
And are you saying Zukerberg's past business model has been part of his business model to now? Finally worked up enough courage to actually accuse someone of that? Or is this just another cowardly inference.
Most Canadian businesses won't use US based clouds given rulings by Canada's privacy commissioner that the cannot share data with foreign governments without either a customer's specific consent or a court order. Blanket bans exist on banking data except in special cases covered by specific intelligence and security needs. And medical data is not to be sent across the border at all, it must be retained in Canada.
Almost all of this came to pass following the passage of the PATRIOT Act. Until then law enforcement on both sides of the line co-operated and shared data as needed for investigations, business data was freely shared as was most other data. It only made sense to. It doesn't anymore. Add that to lengthy border wait times and an increase in hostile US Customs agents Canadians are electing to stay home, as are Americans who actually need a passport to return back to the country they're citizens of.
Goods and services are harder to get across the border in both directions and both federal governments are tearing their hair on out to repair a trading pattern built on easily crossed borders in both directions, which is no longer the case.
So no, it's not good for business for the United States. Nor is it good for international business. Everybody loses.
I do take it you've heard of file shredders. They're decent on elimminating all evidence of a file. They're better than decent on Nix and Macs, they do a complete job.
This is still a civil case and in no way shape or form ought I to be forced to prove anything. The Plantiff must prove their case that it is well within the balance of probability that I did, in fact, download their precious game. Until that moment I have no obligation to allow any search of my hard drive.
You're review of networks is LANs or Internet? They are, in case you've not figured it out, two different things.
And the fact that a download was attached to an IP at a given moment in time doesn't prove much of anything as most people attach with renewable IP addresses which can change from moment to moment rather than a nailed down IP address.
You are still plasing the burden of proof on the defendant and not he plaintiff. Try again, please.
Note it says EUROPE, note that Europe is not the United States. Note this this is, even there, a civil case. Note that public defenders US style don't work on civil cases.
Are you suggesting that one of those is Google but lack the guts and conviction to actually say it. Or the courage of those convictions to face them in court should that be the case with evidence that their business model is, in fact based on piracy, either encouraging, promoting or enabling of it?
As Google is a favourite target of folks like you I presume that's it. But then MS and Yahoo show links to such sites too and MS profits from ad revenue, notably Doubleclick as well.
You keep talking about these sites, so time to put up or shut up. Who are they? Domestic or off shore. You're ohhhhh so free with accusations when you don't need to say what they are merely generalize about a fictitious "them".
Both Mike and Wikipedia have the courage of their convictions to state them clearly and plainly risking that those convictions on that subject are wrong.
You on the other hand toss accusations hither and yon, in this case about internet companies that have bad business models based on piracy, though that one's getting more and more common from you.
OK, then, time to pay the piper or be forever known here as a coward. Who are these companies and how do you come to that conclusion. No hedging, no saying I or we can find that elsewhere. From your brain, to your fingers and right here after composing the message and clicking submit.
If you don't your a very particular brand of coward.
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I don't disagree with the central point of your post but for a system that's "broken" it works incredibly well which is a testament to the work they did and are doing.
Nor do I disagree that SOPA/PIPA will take an uncomfortable, at times, situation and really, really make it broken.
And this sort of thing is never completed. To think so would be foolish. You only find these things over time and when usage increases in ways you never dreamed possible or had nightmares about. ;-)
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He's a continuing bad joke who thinks he's important/funny. But you gotta admit he'd fit right in in the US Congress these days. They're much the same.
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Re: Politicians No Longer Work For the National Interest
It's often in the second term when they don't have to worry about re-election that real stuff starts happening because they aren't essentially on the campaign trail for 4 years.
And the best way of telling, in a parliamentary system, that an election is near is when the governing party and Cabinet start to defer things like crazy.
Though we don't have term limits in Canada the best way to tell that a Prime Minister is in his last term is when really important stuff starts to happen that they might pay for at the ballot box, Say the repatriation of Canada's Constitution and the Charter of Rights when Trudeau pulled that one off. Then he retired.
His party lost the following election and badly. Less because we were mad at him than it quickly became obvious to us that his successor just didn't have it. Kinda a middle-left Michelle Bachman.
It doesn't make things any better or justify that behaviour in any way.
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It's the information that's important not the medium. And I can find these legally quite easily if it comes to that. Or on YouTube or somewhere else if it doesn't.
To turn Marshall McLuhan on his head there are times when it's the message that's more important than the medium.
Those of us outside of the States go through this all the time so it's no biggie.
It does show the stupidity of national/regional licensing mind you. If Viacom were interested in promoting the show they'd come to a revenue sharing deal with The Comedy Channel in Canada, in this case, If my IP geo-locates to Canada then the Canadian targeted ads and revenue from that go to The Comedy Channel. Simple. Not even much of an accounting problem these days to do that. It's all completely automated if you need to ask.
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I don't know how many times I have to point this out but I'll try again.
Humans have been creating "content" since time immemorial. Lots and lots of it.
And, about the same time we started to figure out agriculture we invented writing. Then it became easier to create content. We shared that content without IP laws. Agriculture spread, but also so did the stories we told around the fire in the evening, they were expanded, added to and shared. All without IP laws. We built things like pyramids and temples then because we could communicate things like mathematics and architecture. All without IP laws.
We invented stuff, lots of stuff. From simple plows to what's arguably the first analog computer in antiquity -- the Greeks, if you need to ask. We figured out that the world was round without having to go into space to actually look at it. We developed laws, wrote and duplicated scrolls of fiction, non-fiction, histories and plays, all without IP laws.
A small group of weirdos called The Hebrews wrote down their stories, the basis of an insignificant collection of those stories we call The Bible. All without IP laws. Another fella came along, not quite agreeing with his religious peers. sought to reform things and was executed for it because the authorities couldn't figure out another way to deal with non-violent dissent and Christianity was born from the stories told about him. Another guy came along who didn't like how Christians and Jews were applying their faiths in his area, wrote it all down and Islam was born. All without IP laws. (For which Jews, Christians, Muslims, followers of the Buddha, Sikhs, Jains, Hindus, followers of Confucius and and countless other faiths and variations are very, very grateful.)
Ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese and others developed many goods and products, many methods of doing things and wrote about them making them available to others and that was shared. All without IP laws.
Music, plays, stories, dances, instruments, naval architecture and the basis for everything we do today were first developed without IP laws and freely shared. All without IP laws. The telescope appeared. Without IP laws.
The point is that "content" not only existed but it flourished in the absence of what we call IP laws for the simple fact that we humans are an intelligent, curious, creative and endlessly communicative species. We share. It's part of our DNA, if you will.
Our civilization arose from sharing not from hiding behind IP laws.
It's argued that IP laws arose to ensure creative people were paid for their work. To an extent I'll agree with that though if you look carefully at it that wasn't the main goal of copyright and patent laws though they have that effect IF the creative person is smart enough to hold onto their patent or copyright. Maybe.
It certainly wasn't created for the use of mega corporations with tons of money to spend on legislators or political parties to ensure that what, till now, has been somewhat useful in our human quest to share become walled gardens behind legal razor wire so we can't share it and they can continue to earn money off the creations of others. Who they then move heaven and earth to actually PAY.
Finally, isn't the point of "content" to share it? Isn't the point of invention to share a solution to a problem that's been bugging the hell out of the person who invented it to share it?
To rent it, to charge for access to a theatre or multiplex to watch it, to stuff it full of ads in the hope of paying for it, to perhaps get paid for the invention along the way, to lend it, to charge rents for access to it, to lend it? In short to SHARE it?
Why create a story when you can't tell it? Why create a lawn mower if you can't show it to someone and sell them one? (Or exchange it for that really, really fertile ram you've got so my sheep can "be fruitful and multiply".)
There are already criminal laws in place to deal with the vendors of counterfeit and potentially dangerous pharmaceuticals. There are military and security rules in place to govern the supply lines to those organizations. If someone or a group of someones is breaking those rules court martial them, criminally charge them or properly supervise them. (Or for some items stop the stupidity of lowest bid price rules, you get what you pay for, right?)
Just what, precisely, don't you get about this? And just what exactly don't you get about the uncomfortable fact, for you, that for something like 200,000 years since humans first put stick to clay tablet and invented writing the vast majority of this has occurred without IP laws?
And now, tell me, just what do SOPA and PIPA do to enhance that sharing? Free or for profit? Or enhance security supply lines? Nothing, that's what. My best guess is that it will make it, temporarily, harder until we humans, inventive and creative as we are get around it. Rest assured, we (as a species) will.
And all of this for two, relatively and economically speaking, two very small industries. Call it what you will, bail out or welfare or protectionism. It's all the same in the end.
FOOL.
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Put another way, it's the market that is responsible for this.
I have another fine idea for you then. Rather than just muck about with the side effects how about doing away with the free market altogether? That should work! No pirates then.
Oh, wait a second. Aren't SOPA and PIPA already trying to do that?
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I was kinda thinking that banning your trolls but then thought about it for a moment then realized that you're doing more damage to SOPA and so-called IP laws than this and a thousand sites like it ever could by merely pointing out a few facts.
With that in mind, and keeping in mind that you're more the second part of being an AC than the first, I thank you very much for your contribution to the cause. You're invaluable. Just not to the cause you think.
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Nothing's happened yet, though. Let's see what is left when this is all over and the debates and votes are done. At the very least it ought to be interesting.
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Better safe that sorry.
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It's non committal. Which breaks ranks with the other carriers.
On the post: Brazen Scams By Engineers Uncovered
Then call up the engineer and ask why there's a Cisco router here with no parts in it and the customer is out of service and he has 10 minutes to replace what he nicked :)
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As that bit isn't going ahead that part isn't an issue anymore. If it comes up again, well, then I guess it's break the internet time again. Which you'd know if you were a tenth as well versed in networking as you claim to be.
And are you saying Zukerberg's past business model has been part of his business model to now? Finally worked up enough courage to actually accuse someone of that? Or is this just another cowardly inference.
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Almost all of this came to pass following the passage of the PATRIOT Act. Until then law enforcement on both sides of the line co-operated and shared data as needed for investigations, business data was freely shared as was most other data. It only made sense to. It doesn't anymore. Add that to lengthy border wait times and an increase in hostile US Customs agents Canadians are electing to stay home, as are Americans who actually need a passport to return back to the country they're citizens of.
Goods and services are harder to get across the border in both directions and both federal governments are tearing their hair on out to repair a trading pattern built on easily crossed borders in both directions, which is no longer the case.
So no, it's not good for business for the United States. Nor is it good for international business. Everybody loses.
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Re: More Breaking News from Chris "Dudd"
/s
On the post: CD Projekt Shakes Down Suspected File Sharers
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This is still a civil case and in no way shape or form ought I to be forced to prove anything. The Plantiff must prove their case that it is well within the balance of probability that I did, in fact, download their precious game. Until that moment I have no obligation to allow any search of my hard drive.
You're review of networks is LANs or Internet? They are, in case you've not figured it out, two different things.
And the fact that a download was attached to an IP at a given moment in time doesn't prove much of anything as most people attach with renewable IP addresses which can change from moment to moment rather than a nailed down IP address.
You are still plasing the burden of proof on the defendant and not he plaintiff. Try again, please.
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Note it says EUROPE, note that Europe is not the United States. Note this this is, even there, a civil case. Note that public defenders US style don't work on civil cases.
Note that someone here is and idiot.
Note that said idiot (this time anyway) isn't me.
Thank you for your time.
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Enlightening stuff.
(to a particular AC I just challenged, remember, put up or shut up. Now.)
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As Google is a favourite target of folks like you I presume that's it. But then MS and Yahoo show links to such sites too and MS profits from ad revenue, notably Doubleclick as well.
You keep talking about these sites, so time to put up or shut up. Who are they? Domestic or off shore. You're ohhhhh so free with accusations when you don't need to say what they are merely generalize about a fictitious "them".
Both Mike and Wikipedia have the courage of their convictions to state them clearly and plainly risking that those convictions on that subject are wrong.
You on the other hand toss accusations hither and yon, in this case about internet companies that have bad business models based on piracy, though that one's getting more and more common from you.
OK, then, time to pay the piper or be forever known here as a coward. Who are these companies and how do you come to that conclusion. No hedging, no saying I or we can find that elsewhere. From your brain, to your fingers and right here after composing the message and clicking submit.
If you don't your a very particular brand of coward.
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