Re: Re: Re: Why is it up to teksavvy to protect us?
It's not about defending their customers in a copyright infringement lawsuit, it's about opposing a motion to reveal customer info from someone who doesn't have a legally-required bona fide claim against those people.
It's about TekSavvy standing up and saying "we know how you operate, and that you just want to launch a shakedown operation and intimidate a bunch of our customers with threat letters, and we're not going to let you do that"
I agree they don't have to, but they could (as other ISPs have in the past) and I think there's plenty of reason to argue that they should
No, I know that -- there is just a lack of clarity (on both my part and that article, admittedly) about what "unopposed" means.
They opposed the motion in terms of requesting an adjournment, but that's all. They won't be actually opposing handing over the info -- they just wanted time to inform their customers so the customers could individually oppose it if they wanted. As your link notes a few lines later:
"McHaffie made it very clear the only grounds for opposing the motion was trying to ensure potential defendants got adequate time to be notified."
as for Teksavvy, they deserve to lose so many customers now
I wouldn't go quite that far... As a commenter above notes, they have done more than some others in their shoes. And we don't know what legal advice they've been given.
I do think they have reason, opportunity and at least some responsibility to fight this -- and I question whether they've gone far enough. But they deserve credit for being very open about the whole thing.
Now, what I do believe is the counterpoint to yours: if they do take this opportunity to stand up against copyright trolls and defend their users from a shakedown operation, they deserve to gain so many customers that they become one of the biggest ISPs in the country.
I assume he means the ventriloquist's dummy. It's very clever, you see -- one of the best ways to punch up an insult is by removing it one or two steps from the core message. Like I could call him an insecure child with a tragically wrongheaded concept of where self-worth comes from, but I'd probably get bigger laughs if I said he sounds like a little girl who loses pageants to Honey Boo Boo.
I'm not sure I understand why percentages are meaningless to you. The point is to show the proportion of people who chose to pay when free was an option, which illustrates the attitudes of readers.
What would full sales figures provide, other than an excuse for the trolls to claim the whole thing is a failure (which they would do whether it was 1, 100 or 100000 downloads)?
Buddy, there's only one pathetic person here, and it's the guy desperately going around trying to insult everyone who freely downloaded a free book that they were invited to download for free.
I'm officially instituting a "pay what you want to comment" program here on Techdirt. Commenting are free, but this AC is an amoral asshole if he doesn't pay $1 each time.
I dont like it when people say that those not paying are scroungers
Just to be clear, this is exactly how we feel too. Please, everyone, pay or don't pay, whatever your reasons! We are happy for the books to get out there. Approaching Infinity has been freely available as a series of Techdirt posts for years, Sky Is Rising was dedicated to the public domain on its release, and Tim has always emailed free copies of his novels to anyone who asks.
When we say Pay What You Want, we mean it! And we hope you enjoy the books!
I'm afraid we sold out, and won't be able to replenish until we do another full t-shirt order. I can't say exactly when that will be, but unfortunately it won't be in time for the holiday bundle -- sorry! We still have a few XXLs left in all the other styles.
I tend to agree, but votes are votes, so my hands are tied!
I will point out though that, having talked at greater length to DH about this, he's not as insensitive as that single line perhaps made him sound. As for the votes, well, it happens. I wouldn't read too much into it.
Cool -- sounds like it should go pretty smoothly. I can easily drop the page numbers. Thanks for trying that out!
As for Approaching Infinity, that one's older and I don't have the original source files on hand, but I'm going to look into fixing it up after the novels.
I'm going to try it out today. I have my doubts about how perfect the conversion will be (text formatting originates from Word and is.... semantically crappy) but fingers crossed!
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It's about TekSavvy standing up and saying "we know how you operate, and that you just want to launch a shakedown operation and intimidate a bunch of our customers with threat letters, and we're not going to let you do that"
I agree they don't have to, but they could (as other ISPs have in the past) and I think there's plenty of reason to argue that they should
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Re: Face it-- file sharers are bad customers
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Re: Check your facts, please...
They opposed the motion in terms of requesting an adjournment, but that's all. They won't be actually opposing handing over the info -- they just wanted time to inform their customers so the customers could individually oppose it if they wanted. As your link notes a few lines later:
"McHaffie made it very clear the only grounds for opposing the motion was trying to ensure potential defendants got adequate time to be notified."
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I wouldn't go quite that far... As a commenter above notes, they have done more than some others in their shoes. And we don't know what legal advice they've been given.
I do think they have reason, opportunity and at least some responsibility to fight this -- and I question whether they've gone far enough. But they deserve credit for being very open about the whole thing.
Now, what I do believe is the counterpoint to yours: if they do take this opportunity to stand up against copyright trolls and defend their users from a shakedown operation, they deserve to gain so many customers that they become one of the biggest ISPs in the country.
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Re: ALWAYS excusing Google.
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Whereas only someone who lacks even a basic understanding of algebra would think you can determine absolute totals from relative proportions.
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What would full sales figures provide, other than an excuse for the trolls to claim the whole thing is a failure (which they would do whether it was 1, 100 or 100000 downloads)?
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I'm officially instituting a "pay what you want to comment" program here on Techdirt. Commenting are free, but this AC is an amoral asshole if he doesn't pay $1 each time.
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Just to be clear, this is exactly how we feel too. Please, everyone, pay or don't pay, whatever your reasons! We are happy for the books to get out there. Approaching Infinity has been freely available as a series of Techdirt posts for years, Sky Is Rising was dedicated to the public domain on its release, and Tim has always emailed free copies of his novels to anyone who asks.
When we say Pay What You Want, we mean it! And we hope you enjoy the books!
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Good to see you're in the Christmas spirit, Darryl!
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I will point out though that, having talked at greater length to DH about this, he's not as insensitive as that single line perhaps made him sound. As for the votes, well, it happens. I wouldn't read too much into it.
I loathe listening to people discuss the homeless most of the time. I refer them to South Park.
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As for Approaching Infinity, that one's older and I don't have the original source files on hand, but I'm going to look into fixing it up after the novels.
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