An early use of the word copyleft was in Li-Chen Wang's Palo Alto Tiny BASIC's distribution notice "@COPYLEFT ALL WRONGS RESERVED" in June 1976. Tiny BASIC was not distributed under any formal form of copyleft distribution terms, but it was presented in a context where source code was being shared and modified. In fact, Wang had earlier contributed edits to Tiny BASIC Extended before writing his own BASIC interpreter. He encouraged others to adapt his source code and publish their adaptions, as with Roger Rauskolb's version of PATB published in Interface Age.
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The solution is very simple, take your speech somewhere where it's welcome. Nobody is forcing you to use Twitter, Facebook or whatever - it's entirely your choice.
Pretty much this. Leaving Twitter and Facebook was always an option, and those wishing to amend or repeal §230 either don't realize this or refuse to do so.
Re: Torvalds just ported from source code made by real programme
Unix, which was then and is now inferior to MS-DOS
You're joking, right? Unix is so stable that Steve Jobs used it as the kernel for OS X and the current Macintosh Operating System is still #10 so as to show how reliable it is. MS-DOS was so bad its only benefit is compatibility because the massive legacy of programs that use it is why it was supported for so long.
Some rare old video game cart, for example, etc is too pricey for collectors, some company swoops in and makes a replacement for collectors that can't afford it.
There's the illegal way and the legal way of doing that.
The illegal way (as in it infringes both trademark and copyright) is to do a cartridge reproduction of, say, an NES cartridge of, say, Super Mario Bros. 3.
The legal way (as in official and authorized) is to sell cartridges through channels such as Limited Run and iam8bit.
This is one area where Trademark is useful because the counterfeit reproduction cartridges look like the real thing and can easily be confused for the real thing. On the other hand, the only reason why they're being reproduced in the first place is because the originals are so damn rare!! So it raises the question if the consumer is being protected by the legal prohibition of reproduction cartridges when they're actually serving a need in the market.
There is also Yankee Stadium. The Mets used to have Shea Stadium, but that got torn down and CitiField (named after Citibank) was erected in its stead.
A while ago, when TechDirt did everything they could to stop SOPA, PIPA, and Net Neutrality, they lost ad revenue but stuck to their principles. If the Koch Networks don't like what in TechDirt, they'll stop sponsoring and Mike would continue doing what he has always did rather than Mike change his message to their approval. So to that end, I'm even okay with Mike Masnick receiving Koch money, because he is not dependent on them (unlike some other people I could mention).
I think at one point in US history, the sports stadiums did have generic names like "Madison Square Garden", "Boston Garden", "Joe Louis Arena", "Chicago Center", but corporate greed took over and now the only arenas in the world that do not have a corporation in their title are Madison Square Garden (because it's so famous that it can get away with that), the Circus Maximus in Rome because it goes back to the days of the Roman Empire, or the Budokan in Japan (I'm sure there are more, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head).
You're thinking that the Fascists in the GOP have a principled ideology, when in fact they do want to censor their enemies. If they bring up copyright, they'd reveal that they want to fix problems instead of making the problems get worse, and fascists don't want that to happen, now do they? That's why there's this sleight of hand and focus around Section 230: because they don't want people speaking back to them and want to resurrect the monopoly that Talk Radio once gave them.
I linked to the article because Doctorow's work on antitrust has been nothing but excellent over the years. I loved him on the recent panel podcast with Mike and the others.
Agreed. Also, support his kickstarter. Less than a day left as I type this! Why? He wants to challenge Amazon's and Audible's DRM monopoly when it comes to audiobooks. I don't usually listen to audiobooks, but for the purposes of TechDirt readers, I can't think of a nobler goal.
I strongly encourage that you read the Ars article in full as for why Amazon is facing antitrust scrutiny. I'll also screenshot and share the Amazon portion here, for your convenience.
Those are fair. I skimmed them over the first time and found out there was plenty I missed. Unfortunately, I–and the people who write for TechDirt–have reason to believe that Anti-Trust is exclusively focused by Congress in the tech sector and won't be expanded to the Telecom or Content sectors, seeing as the FCC looked the other way in the Sprint/T-Mobile merger and Disney's acquisitions of everything, especially 20th Century Fox. There are reasons to be cynical and skeptical of those who are pushing to break up Amazon, Facebook, and Google whilst turning a blind eye to Disney, Comcast, T-Mobile, and AT&T.
I'm just brainstorming here, and not saying that I endorse this type of idea but -- As one possible way to try and solve the problem, perhaps we could take away complete anonymity on the internet.
Then you want basically facebook. Pass.
But one benefit could be the elimination of fake accounts setup to artificially inflate support for certain ideas. Also, people from outside of the country might be identified prior to them engaging in election activities.
Also, no more whistleblowers or marginalized people operating under an identity. Pass.
So is there a hybrid approach? Is there some way to provide some anonymity to users, yet also allow for unique identifiers that can prove ones identity to being a real person in a particular location?
I'm looking at the CTA website and there's a ton of pro-corporate bullshit. I looked at their Member Directory and Facebook is listed as one of the members, alongside Amazon. Apple, and Google. Their 2021 Board is going to include people from the same three companies.
As are a lot of other corporations, like HP, Sony Electronics, and Panasonic
The site recently ran an article that was basically begging "Please don't break our cash cows up" that reads like your typical Pro-Telecom think-tank piece and includes some fearmongering on China that Big Tech loves to regurgitate.
Interesting that the second link links to an article from Cory Doctorow, who is a frequent guest on the Techdirt Podcast as well as a contributor to the greenhouse.
The House's findings have come out and are pretty damning on multiple fronts. I expect the CTA to try and write articles that continue with the "BUT INNOVAYSHUN, THO" angle and refuse to admit that they're nothing but a bunch of shills.
Then how come it's incredibly easy for me to avoid shopping at Amazon? I avoid that store like the plague (yes, even the current one; I mask up all the time!), and it's not like I am bereft of choice, unlike people who live in places with one telecom provider who actually have no choice.
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Not quite. The idea of Copyleft and Free Software was around the time that copyright became opt-out instead of opt-in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft
From the article:
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Pretty much this. Leaving Twitter and Facebook was always an option, and those wishing to amend or repeal §230 either don't realize this or refuse to do so.
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That's less of a social media problem and more of an internet problem.
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No it isn't.
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I'll never understand the trolls who come here to say "This site sucks!" in spite of them, you know, coming here.
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Or how Trump may have a bit of an Ego problem.
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Re: Torvalds just ported from source code made by real programme
You're joking, right? Unix is so stable that Steve Jobs used it as the kernel for OS X and the current Macintosh Operating System is still #10 so as to show how reliable it is. MS-DOS was so bad its only benefit is compatibility because the massive legacy of programs that use it is why it was supported for so long.
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There's the illegal way and the legal way of doing that.
The illegal way (as in it infringes both trademark and copyright) is to do a cartridge reproduction of, say, an NES cartridge of, say, Super Mario Bros. 3.
The legal way (as in official and authorized) is to sell cartridges through channels such as Limited Run and iam8bit.
This is one area where Trademark is useful because the counterfeit reproduction cartridges look like the real thing and can easily be confused for the real thing. On the other hand, the only reason why they're being reproduced in the first place is because the originals are so damn rare!! So it raises the question if the consumer is being protected by the legal prohibition of reproduction cartridges when they're actually serving a need in the market.
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There is also Yankee Stadium. The Mets used to have Shea Stadium, but that got torn down and CitiField (named after Citibank) was erected in its stead.
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I still trust Mike, though.
I still trust Mike, and here's why:
A while ago, when TechDirt did everything they could to stop SOPA, PIPA, and Net Neutrality, they lost ad revenue but stuck to their principles. If the Koch Networks don't like what in TechDirt, they'll stop sponsoring and Mike would continue doing what he has always did rather than Mike change his message to their approval. So to that end, I'm even okay with Mike Masnick receiving Koch money, because he is not dependent on them (unlike some other people I could mention).
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I think at one point in US history, the sports stadiums did have generic names like "Madison Square Garden", "Boston Garden", "Joe Louis Arena", "Chicago Center", but corporate greed took over and now the only arenas in the world that do not have a corporation in their title are Madison Square Garden (because it's so famous that it can get away with that), the Circus Maximus in Rome because it goes back to the days of the Roman Empire, or the Budokan in Japan (I'm sure there are more, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head).
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There needs to be a “sad but true” voting option; I would vote this tweet that in a heartbeat!
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To be even fairer than fairer, most houseplants are much smarter than this president.
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Therein lies your problem...
You're thinking that the Fascists in the GOP have a principled ideology, when in fact they do want to censor their enemies. If they bring up copyright, they'd reveal that they want to fix problems instead of making the problems get worse, and fascists don't want that to happen, now do they? That's why there's this sleight of hand and focus around Section 230: because they don't want people speaking back to them and want to resurrect the monopoly that Talk Radio once gave them.
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Agreed. Also, support his kickstarter. Less than a day left as I type this! Why? He wants to challenge Amazon's and Audible's DRM monopoly when it comes to audiobooks. I don't usually listen to audiobooks, but for the purposes of TechDirt readers, I can't think of a nobler goal.
Those are fair. I skimmed them over the first time and found out there was plenty I missed. Unfortunately, I–and the people who write for TechDirt–have reason to believe that Anti-Trust is exclusively focused by Congress in the tech sector and won't be expanded to the Telecom or Content sectors, seeing as the FCC looked the other way in the Sprint/T-Mobile merger and Disney's acquisitions of everything, especially 20th Century Fox. There are reasons to be cynical and skeptical of those who are pushing to break up Amazon, Facebook, and Google whilst turning a blind eye to Disney, Comcast, T-Mobile, and AT&T.
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Re: Warned you that corporations are amoral beasts.
Hi, Out_Of_The_Blue! Long time no see!
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Then you want basically facebook. Pass.
Also, no more whistleblowers or marginalized people operating under an identity. Pass.
Doesn't Techdirt have a sort of system like this?
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As are a lot of other corporations, like HP, Sony Electronics, and Panasonic
Interesting that the second link links to an article from Cory Doctorow, who is a frequent guest on the Techdirt Podcast as well as a contributor to the greenhouse.
Then how come it's incredibly easy for me to avoid shopping at Amazon? I avoid that store like the plague (yes, even the current one; I mask up all the time!), and it's not like I am bereft of choice, unlike people who live in places with one telecom provider who actually have no choice.
Otherwise, fair points.
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Good point. However, Trumpy (and the rest of the GOP, for that matter; the Cheeto-in-chief is merely a symptom, not a cause) want it exactly that way!
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Gonna have to stop you there…
We have Migrant detention centers and NSA spying. The last two are fair points.
I'm not a fan of the Chinese government, but don't pat yourself on the back too much when we have war crimes in our own backyard…
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