It seems as though 'the court’s technical staff were able to divert the emails from Judge Gettleman’s own email box' with 'ease', according to an interested attorney.
1: A sarcastic comment and a joke aren't the same thing.
2: I'm sure that a large percentage of people who read my comment understood me. It's possible that you didn't, but that really says more about you than it does me.
3: You really should read this (http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/02/judge-jails-litigant-for-provoking-supportive-emails-to-t he-judge.html) opinion of a real, live attorney, before arguing with me any more. It's obvious that you dislike Trudeau's actions, but that doesn't mean that his actions were illegal.
To engage in "self-help" outside these venues is no more than saying "I do not like the law so I refuse to follow it."
These laws are wrong in many, many ways, and the court system that you're speaking of is failing, and looking for loopholes (ACTA, anyone?). Ethics have nothing to do with following the law. If they did, then Auschwitz guards would be ethical, while Auschwitz escapees would be unethical.
I, for one, am thoroughly encouraged by the idea of a child who made it through high school with their ability to think independently intact.
Yes, if this man were a private citizen and Trudeau was involved in getting people to harass him with e-mail, that would be harassment. But this is not.
The judge is a public figure, and people are using his public e-mail address, which was available publicly, to contact him about a matter of public interest. It doesn't matter if he likes it. It really doesn't even matter if he has the tech to deal with it. It's all part and parcel with his job as a public servant.
If he really doesn't want to receive e-mails or calls, or death threats, and is as disturbed by it as you seem to be, then he should resign and go back to practicing law as an attorney, or whatever he did prior to accepting a public position.
Do you see Senators or Governors or the President whining about the volume of hate mail they receive? Nope. Just this judge here, who just sentenced a man to a month in jail for it.
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The judge is a public figure, and people are using his public e-mail address, which was available publicly, to contact him about a matter of public interest. It doesn't matter where they heard about it. It doesn't matter if he likes it. It's all part and parcel with his job as a public servant.
If he really doesn't want to receive e-mails or calls, or death threats, and is as disturbed by it as you seem to be, then he should resign and go back to practicing law as an attorney, or whatever he did prior to accepting a public position.
Do you see Senators or Governors or the President whining about the volume of hate mail they receive? Nope. Just this judge here, who just sentenced a man to a month in jail for it.
Why should he? He's a private citizen, operating in a private capacity.
The judge is a public figure, and people are using his public e-mail address, which was available publicly, to contact him about a matter of public interest. It doesn't matter if he likes it. It really doesn't even matter if he has the tech to deal with it. It's all part and parcel with his job as a public servant.
If he really doesn't want to receive e-mails or calls, or death threats, and is as disturbed by it as you seem to be, then he should resign and go back to practicing law as an attorney, or whatever he did prior to accepting a public position.
Do you see Senators or Governors or the President whining about the volume of hate mail they receive? Nope. Just this judge here, who just sentenced a man to a month in jail for it.
For any decent server, adding the sender's address to your contacts list or address book means that their e-mails don't get spammed, even if the e-mail contains a spam-like message or keyword.
He CANNOT filter "all Trudeau" emails unless ALL of them CAME from one single address or had a consistent unique phrasing that can be pattern-matched.
How about the word 'Trudeau'? That should catch most, if not all, of it.
Not even relevant, laws are interpreted differently everywhere and each country has 'stupid laws' on the books.
Incitement itself isn't relevant. The judge has the legal right to do what he did without a bogus incitement defense. I was questioning the moral issue, not the legal. A judge can pretty much cite contempt for anything.
Harassment is illegal, last I checked.
First, Trudeau didn't send him thousands of e-mails. Second, show me proof that all of those people e-mailed because Trudeau asked them to. (Seriously, he's really popular. People were likely e-mailing in the first place.) Third, show me the precedent for thousands of e-mails being considered harassment, especially for a public figure. It may morally be harassment, but I doubt it is legally. Nice try, though.
Are you seriously trying to imply that you would be ok with someone posting a personal contact method of yours to the PUBLIC AT LARGE -- and asking them to get in touch with you regarding anything?
My personal contact information, including my e-mail address, telephone number, and mailing address, are available online. I'd prefer not to be spammed by chan (Especially because they wouldn't stop at e-mail. A flashmo/b/ would show up at my door.) but that's hardly the case here.
Remember, Trudeau isn't being punished because he gave out the judge's information (which is public, by the way). That might be understandable, especially if it were the Judge's personal information, and not his work contact (which it was). Trudeau's being punished because of the number of responses, which he doesn't have any control over.
The judge is a public figure, and these people are contacting him in regards to his work as a public servant. Trudeau asked for support, which is his legal right, and people contacted the judge, which is their legal right. And he ends up in jail for a month for it. This is okay?
I wonder at the implications of this. Speak up in favor of a defendant, and he might end up in jail for 30 days. Not a fine, or a night in jail, but an entire month in jail. It seems kind of chilling to me.
I think inciting a riot or inciting your lover to murder your spouse is a bit different from asking people to send a supportive e-mail...
First, receiving e-mail isn't harmful. In fact, with about two minutes work, he can filter all Trudeau e-mail to the spam box and never see it.
Second, many countries, including England, where the law originates from, have abolished incitement laws in favor of more specific laws, none of which were broken by Trudeau. Incitement just wasn't a very good legal standard.
Third, incitement usually deals with someone 'inciting' people to do something illegal. Trudeau didn't ask anyone to do anything illegal.
The judge can certainly choose to cite him for contempt, but I think that it's unfair, and reflects badly on the judge.
Sure, 950 platinum and palladium and rhodium, etc., are different, but when you're discussing jewelry, and you say the word 'platinum', you're referring to the family, not the element.
You see, jewelry made from 950 platinum (the oldest and most popular platinum jewelry metal) isn't purely one element. It's a combination of two members of the platinum family, hence the designation 950 platinum, and the habit of referring to the metals as 'platinum'.
The writer was talking about the metals in platinum or palladium jewelry and I explained that for jewelry purposes, those metals were the same thing.
People don't wear jewelry made 100% of PT. They wear jewelry made of a mix of metals from the platinum family, hence my assertion that platinum isn't one metal, it's multiple metals. It is, when it's used in jewelry.
For an additional clue, look on the inside of the ring. Unless it's a custom piece, it should say PLAT or 950, not PT. PLAT means platinum family, and 950 most commonly means 950 parts PT and 50 parts PD, although other combinations are available. It might even say Pt950Co50 or Pt950Pd50, and tell you what it's alloyed with.
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http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/02/judge-jails-litigant-for-provoking-supportive -emails-to-the-judge.html
Face.
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2: I'm sure that a large percentage of people who read my comment understood me. It's possible that you didn't, but that really says more about you than it does me.
3: You really should read this (http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/02/judge-jails-litigant-for-provoking-supportive-emails-to-t he-judge.html) opinion of a real, live attorney, before arguing with me any more. It's obvious that you dislike Trudeau's actions, but that doesn't mean that his actions were illegal.
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Perhaps the judge should sentence his IT personnel or court clerk to thirty days in jail, instead.
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These laws are wrong in many, many ways, and the court system that you're speaking of is failing, and looking for loopholes (ACTA, anyone?). Ethics have nothing to do with following the law. If they did, then Auschwitz guards would be ethical, while Auschwitz escapees would be unethical.
I, for one, am thoroughly encouraged by the idea of a child who made it through high school with their ability to think independently intact.
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The judge is a public figure, and people are using his public e-mail address, which was available publicly, to contact him about a matter of public interest. It doesn't matter if he likes it. It really doesn't even matter if he has the tech to deal with it. It's all part and parcel with his job as a public servant.
If he really doesn't want to receive e-mails or calls, or death threats, and is as disturbed by it as you seem to be, then he should resign and go back to practicing law as an attorney, or whatever he did prior to accepting a public position.
Do you see Senators or Governors or the President whining about the volume of hate mail they receive? Nope. Just this judge here, who just sentenced a man to a month in jail for it.
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If he really doesn't want to receive e-mails or calls, or death threats, and is as disturbed by it as you seem to be, then he should resign and go back to practicing law as an attorney, or whatever he did prior to accepting a public position.
Do you see Senators or Governors or the President whining about the volume of hate mail they receive? Nope. Just this judge here, who just sentenced a man to a month in jail for it.
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The judge is a public figure, and people are using his public e-mail address, which was available publicly, to contact him about a matter of public interest. It doesn't matter if he likes it. It really doesn't even matter if he has the tech to deal with it. It's all part and parcel with his job as a public servant.
If he really doesn't want to receive e-mails or calls, or death threats, and is as disturbed by it as you seem to be, then he should resign and go back to practicing law as an attorney, or whatever he did prior to accepting a public position.
Do you see Senators or Governors or the President whining about the volume of hate mail they receive? Nope. Just this judge here, who just sentenced a man to a month in jail for it.
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How about the word 'Trudeau'? That should catch most, if not all, of it.
Not even relevant, laws are interpreted differently everywhere and each country has 'stupid laws' on the books.
Incitement itself isn't relevant. The judge has the legal right to do what he did without a bogus incitement defense. I was questioning the moral issue, not the legal. A judge can pretty much cite contempt for anything.
Harassment is illegal, last I checked.
First, Trudeau didn't send him thousands of e-mails. Second, show me proof that all of those people e-mailed because Trudeau asked them to. (Seriously, he's really popular. People were likely e-mailing in the first place.) Third, show me the precedent for thousands of e-mails being considered harassment, especially for a public figure. It may morally be harassment, but I doubt it is legally. Nice try, though.
Are you seriously trying to imply that you would be ok with someone posting a personal contact method of yours to the PUBLIC AT LARGE -- and asking them to get in touch with you regarding anything?
My personal contact information, including my e-mail address, telephone number, and mailing address, are available online. I'd prefer not to be spammed by chan (Especially because they wouldn't stop at e-mail. A flashmo/b/ would show up at my door.) but that's hardly the case here.
Remember, Trudeau isn't being punished because he gave out the judge's information (which is public, by the way). That might be understandable, especially if it were the Judge's personal information, and not his work contact (which it was). Trudeau's being punished because of the number of responses, which he doesn't have any control over.
The judge is a public figure, and these people are contacting him in regards to his work as a public servant. Trudeau asked for support, which is his legal right, and people contacted the judge, which is their legal right. And he ends up in jail for a month for it. This is okay?
I wonder at the implications of this. Speak up in favor of a defendant, and he might end up in jail for 30 days. Not a fine, or a night in jail, but an entire month in jail. It seems kind of chilling to me.
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First, receiving e-mail isn't harmful. In fact, with about two minutes work, he can filter all Trudeau e-mail to the spam box and never see it.
Second, many countries, including England, where the law originates from, have abolished incitement laws in favor of more specific laws, none of which were broken by Trudeau. Incitement just wasn't a very good legal standard.
Third, incitement usually deals with someone 'inciting' people to do something illegal. Trudeau didn't ask anyone to do anything illegal.
The judge can certainly choose to cite him for contempt, but I think that it's unfair, and reflects badly on the judge.
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Possibly, Rush Limbaugh expect to be charged with the murder of George Tiller sometime soon...
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You see, jewelry made from 950 platinum (the oldest and most popular platinum jewelry metal) isn't purely one element. It's a combination of two members of the platinum family, hence the designation 950 platinum, and the habit of referring to the metals as 'platinum'.
The writer was talking about the metals in platinum or palladium jewelry and I explained that for jewelry purposes, those metals were the same thing.
People don't wear jewelry made 100% of PT. They wear jewelry made of a mix of metals from the platinum family, hence my assertion that platinum isn't one metal, it's multiple metals. It is, when it's used in jewelry.
For an additional clue, look on the inside of the ring. Unless it's a custom piece, it should say PLAT or 950, not PT. PLAT means platinum family, and 950 most commonly means 950 parts PT and 50 parts PD, although other combinations are available. It might even say Pt950Co50 or Pt950Pd50, and tell you what it's alloyed with.
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