being less efficient just means they don't make as much at it as google and facebook do, it doesn't mean they don't make anything.. News wasn't exactly the most efficient way to sell ads on TV either, Radio is still going strong on ads for goodness sake, just because you aren't at the absolute top of the chain doesn't mean you can't be ad supported either.
Australia is just the current domino, they aren't even at the front of the line, but this is really setting up a bad framework. News have more people's sympathies, but once they get it set up everyone will want a piece. I can see this turning into basically a framework like copyright set up so every business that isn't dealing well with the present business reality is allowed to take a chunk of the ones that are. Especially if the ones that are hitting it out of the park are from another country and the ones that are screwing the pooch doing are in your country.
I mean, television has been a more efficient ad mechanism that newspapers for a long time.. I'm not sure that in itself is a catastrophe. There is no special requirement that journalism must be ad supported.
Although you might need to look longer term as well.
I would expect that overall traffic might go up for bigger events, but go down for slow news days.. Less people will just use the snippet or summary as their update for a big event that they know to look for without facebook, but also no one will be sharing the smaller stories with their friends that people wouldn't know or care to look for without facebook. Overall? Still dying a slow death I'm sure, but a little slower or a little faster? meh.
Love that game, but I always found that Dam level wasn't nearly as bad as people say. It's also got those horrible maze type levels where you need to do things in the right order or it continues forever and the technodrome is a gauntlet of overpowered enemies I could only ever beat if I manage to make it there with a full stock of items.
"such as the one indicating games only made people violent if they were too shitty or difficult"
If kids are reacting violently to being frustrated, they should probably be playing more frustratingly difficult games to teach them patience and learn to solve frustratingly difficult problems without throwing cartridges against the wall :)
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It kindof fell a bit flat for me..
I guess the idea is that the citizens are there to serve the government? That the government is the owner of the country and the citizens just mooch off them I guess? Instead of moving out to buy their own house and becoming independent adults which would mean I guess forming their own country?
Is this an endorsement of nanny state politics or a critique? I'm confused at the metaphor but not very convinced either way
Lets see.
No one is forcing these bozos to be indexed by google, they can literally say no thank you any time if they honestly think they getting the short end in any way. Pretty much end of story there.
Not sure if that is an option on facebook, so maaaaaybe? but they haven't said no to google and no one honestly believes they don't want the free traffic from facebook anyway so not really.
Google and facebook both disappear, these guys are absolutely no better off, and no one familiar with it honestly believes any different.
The problem as I see it is more that the value they provide isn't in the writeups at all it's in the investigation. People don't really care about their particular wording, they are looking for the underlying information.
The whole blame google facebook thing is just a grift but I'm not sure "just make better writeups" is the answer either. I think trying to "make better writeups" might even be part of what is causing the issue we are seeing with news prioritizing entertainment value over journalism.
Because a single company won't let them use a web app for sharing tidbits about their day that it created itself? Get a grip australia. Not having facebook capitulate to your demands is not going to be the aussie apocalypse.. It's mostly an inconvenience for everyone and only a big problem for the politicians who caused it
It's not just google's problem, anyone doing a good job at anything is going to have a line of countries with their hands out asking them to prop up the old guard failing industry that can't figure out how to adapt to the internet
In my opinion Facebook shouldn't have been allowed to buy up those entities. Whatsup and instagram were indirect alternatives to facebook. Sure they don't have exactly the same features, but that doesn't really matter, people were still using them as an alternative. You can't let the biggest player just buy up any decent competition that ever comes around.
Having them as actual separate companies competing with each other certainly help because they would be competing, so they wouldn't be able to take advantage of their customers as badly without consequences.
Breaking them up afterward is kindof silly in my opinion since they allowed it in the first place but they should have prevented them from buying up the competition in the first place, and they shouldn't let them do that anymore.
It's true the lower positions in the company don't reflect a whole lot of intent on the part of the company, so the harm would be less but they also generally don't represent much investment from the company. The company is going to balance the harm the individual is causing the company with their actions against the benefit they are getting having them as an employee.
The fact is, whether A.C. thinks people outside the company should care or not is in the "who gives a shit category". What's actually important is that people do care. Some people don't want their money used to support that sort of thing, and companies know it. That's "cancel culture". People acting in ways that harm the companies they work (or other agencies associated with them) and those agencies making decisions about whether that harm is worth keeping the association
But your definition doesn't hold water. "People" can't pressure uninvolved third parties, since they are uninvolved, and by definition those people have no leverage over them.
It doesn't matter what their position is, the higher up people might represent a stronger intent on the company but your janitor is still representative of the people your company choses to employ, and how he acts reflects on your company. Your company is not uninvolved at all in that scenario. They are the guy's employer and are totally involved. It's just like saying the janitor can tell all the company's customers to fuck off and you shouldn't be allowed to complain because he isn't the media manager.
I think people who use "neutral viewpoint" hope people confuse it with "objective viewpoint". Claiming to take a neutral viewpoint without context is a deception, it's the same as a polarized view, just the "pole" is neutral.
it means you are planning to try to trick people towards neutrality between two sides even when the facts don't support it.
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being less efficient just means they don't make as much at it as google and facebook do, it doesn't mean they don't make anything.. News wasn't exactly the most efficient way to sell ads on TV either, Radio is still going strong on ads for goodness sake, just because you aren't at the absolute top of the chain doesn't mean you can't be ad supported either.
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Australia is just the current domino, they aren't even at the front of the line, but this is really setting up a bad framework. News have more people's sympathies, but once they get it set up everyone will want a piece. I can see this turning into basically a framework like copyright set up so every business that isn't dealing well with the present business reality is allowed to take a chunk of the ones that are. Especially if the ones that are hitting it out of the park are from another country and the ones that are screwing the pooch doing are in your country.
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I mean, television has been a more efficient ad mechanism that newspapers for a long time.. I'm not sure that in itself is a catastrophe. There is no special requirement that journalism must be ad supported.
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Re: What's the total traffic?
Although you might need to look longer term as well.
I would expect that overall traffic might go up for bigger events, but go down for slow news days.. Less people will just use the snippet or summary as their update for a big event that they know to look for without facebook, but also no one will be sharing the smaller stories with their friends that people wouldn't know or care to look for without facebook. Overall? Still dying a slow death I'm sure, but a little slower or a little faster? meh.
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Love that game, but I always found that Dam level wasn't nearly as bad as people say. It's also got those horrible maze type levels where you need to do things in the right order or it continues forever and the technodrome is a gauntlet of overpowered enemies I could only ever beat if I manage to make it there with a full stock of items.
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"such as the one indicating games only made people violent if they were too shitty or difficult"
If kids are reacting violently to being frustrated, they should probably be playing more frustratingly difficult games to teach them patience and learn to solve frustratingly difficult problems without throwing cartridges against the wall :)
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Re: And the,as long as you live under my roof you do as I say, r
It kindof fell a bit flat for me..
I guess the idea is that the citizens are there to serve the government? That the government is the owner of the country and the citizens just mooch off them I guess? Instead of moving out to buy their own house and becoming independent adults which would mean I guess forming their own country?
Is this an endorsement of nanny state politics or a critique? I'm confused at the metaphor but not very convinced either way
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Re: Sleeping giants, talking to IT SELF??
Lets see.
No one is forcing these bozos to be indexed by google, they can literally say no thank you any time if they honestly think they getting the short end in any way. Pretty much end of story there.
Not sure if that is an option on facebook, so maaaaaybe? but they haven't said no to google and no one honestly believes they don't want the free traffic from facebook anyway so not really.
Google and facebook both disappear, these guys are absolutely no better off, and no one familiar with it honestly believes any different.
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Re: Re: They should pay for content
The problem as I see it is more that the value they provide isn't in the writeups at all it's in the investigation. People don't really care about their particular wording, they are looking for the underlying information.
The whole blame google facebook thing is just a grift but I'm not sure "just make better writeups" is the answer either. I think trying to "make better writeups" might even be part of what is causing the issue we are seeing with news prioritizing entertainment value over journalism.
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Because a single company won't let them use a web app for sharing tidbits about their day that it created itself? Get a grip australia. Not having facebook capitulate to your demands is not going to be the aussie apocalypse.. It's mostly an inconvenience for everyone and only a big problem for the politicians who caused it
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It's not just google's problem, anyone doing a good job at anything is going to have a line of countries with their hands out asking them to prop up the old guard failing industry that can't figure out how to adapt to the internet
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Re: Re: Re: How much power is too much?
In my opinion Facebook shouldn't have been allowed to buy up those entities. Whatsup and instagram were indirect alternatives to facebook. Sure they don't have exactly the same features, but that doesn't really matter, people were still using them as an alternative. You can't let the biggest player just buy up any decent competition that ever comes around.
Having them as actual separate companies competing with each other certainly help because they would be competing, so they wouldn't be able to take advantage of their customers as badly without consequences.
Breaking them up afterward is kindof silly in my opinion since they allowed it in the first place but they should have prevented them from buying up the competition in the first place, and they shouldn't let them do that anymore.
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The profit could just come for ads for AK 47s and explosives..
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It's true the lower positions in the company don't reflect a whole lot of intent on the part of the company, so the harm would be less but they also generally don't represent much investment from the company. The company is going to balance the harm the individual is causing the company with their actions against the benefit they are getting having them as an employee.
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The fact is, whether A.C. thinks people outside the company should care or not is in the "who gives a shit category". What's actually important is that people do care. Some people don't want their money used to support that sort of thing, and companies know it. That's "cancel culture". People acting in ways that harm the companies they work (or other agencies associated with them) and those agencies making decisions about whether that harm is worth keeping the association
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But your definition doesn't hold water. "People" can't pressure uninvolved third parties, since they are uninvolved, and by definition those people have no leverage over them.
It doesn't matter what their position is, the higher up people might represent a stronger intent on the company but your janitor is still representative of the people your company choses to employ, and how he acts reflects on your company. Your company is not uninvolved at all in that scenario. They are the guy's employer and are totally involved. It's just like saying the janitor can tell all the company's customers to fuck off and you shouldn't be allowed to complain because he isn't the media manager.
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I think people who use "neutral viewpoint" hope people confuse it with "objective viewpoint". Claiming to take a neutral viewpoint without context is a deception, it's the same as a polarized view, just the "pole" is neutral.
it means you are planning to try to trick people towards neutrality between two sides even when the facts don't support it.
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machine learning is a much more impressive term than AI in my book.. Pacman had AI; it's not that impressive
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Did Biden ever really have that much hair?
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It means not putting up with people being assholes.
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