People who say things like this must have lived a life totally free from responsibility.
I take it you never have realized that the entire justice system is built around fallible human beings making mistakes. That's why we have Magistrates who can be reviewed by District Court judges who can be reviewed by the Courts of Appeals who can be reviewed by the Supreme Court. As was said of the Supreme Court by Justice Robert Jackson: "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." Brown v. Allen, 344 U.S. 443.
"Whoops" isn't an acceptable excuse for forgetting about things like free speech and prior restraint when people's lives, livelihoods, and Constitutional rights are at stake.
"Whoops" isn't an excuse. It's an admission of a mistake. If you read the second order, the Court doesn't offer any excuse for its first order. It just fixes it by issuing the right order the second time around.
As for "people's lives, livelihoods, and Constitutional rights" being at stake, I'll give you that the First Amendment is front and center here. But I don't exactly recall anyone's life being at stake in this case, or even anyone's livelihood.
Giving the judge credit for having given the ruling a measure of thought before actually issuing it is admittedly an assumption which cannot be proven. So let me ask you, do you have any support for the idea that this judge typically issues rulings without giving them any forethought?
We agree that the judge made a mistake in the original order. The question is why. Tegman suggested the judge didn't give a "flying flip" about constitutional rights. I responded and suggested that caseload might have something to do with it. Mistakes happen. It's been fixed.
Where you came up with the notion that anyone was arguing that the judge didn't think about the orders before they were issued, I have no idea. When you find the rabbit, let me know.
Of course it's significant. But you said the judge's first order was "premeditated." Do you have any support for that?
If you read both this post and the previous one on this case, it's clear that the plaintiff was trying to hide the true nature of its claims behind trademark law. It seems likely that the judge just missed it the first time around, not for lack of concern for the law but because the lawyer slipped one past.
Once the judge realized the mistake—when a lawyer finally argued the defendant's case—the judge fixed it.
No, federal district court judges have lifetime appointments (which is why confirmation hearings are so much fun).
Do you get a copy that you've been slapped down by a higher court?
Yes, because you obviously have to fix something, like hold a new trial, change your order to conform to the appellate decision, or whatever.
Do some judges get upset ... ?
See comment about confirmation hearings above. After going through that, this is cake.
Do some judges ... try and talk to the higher court?
No.
How does that work?
Sometimes, judges drop commentary in opinions, but it doesn't happen often. Look for orders that cite how a bunch of other courts do something, followed by "However, this Court is bound to follow the Court of Appeals here ..."
somewhat influenced by whoever elected or appointed you.
They're not elected. Once appointed, they do not care who appointed them. (Of course, state court mileage will vary, but the case here is federal.)
They have lifetime appointments, just like Supreme Court justices, so no, they don't get fired.
Before you start deciding whether judges give a "flying flip," bear in mind that each judge in the District of Utah had 459 pending cases (as of 9/30/16). What appears to you to be a lack of concern almost certainly is a whoops-got-that-one-wrong-fix-it-now-move-on-to-the-other-458.
Supposedly, the warrant [PDF] limits Google's search for searches to the Edina area, but that puts Google in the position of determining who was located where when these searches were made.
The phrase "located in city or township of Edina, County of Hennepin, State of Minnesota" comes immediately after Google's Mountain View address. That phrase is boilerplate indicated that the target of the warrant is supposed to be located in Edina, as a judge in Hennepin County District Court can't issue search warrants to be executed outside of that jurisdiction.
However, at the end of the application, it states, "Google Inc. accepts and recognizes search warrants from Hennepin County District Court." In other words, Google apparently doesn't intend to object to what otherwise would be a lack of jurisdiction.
Of course, the alternative reading is that the officer believes Mountain View, California is located in Edina.
I'll admit that I'm a bit torn about this whole thing.
Maybe Facebook's security systems detected something "unsafe" on their website. Maybe not. Mizbala thinks the latter. The only way to know is to obtain Facebook's internal documents and logs through discovery in litigation and, even then, you don't always learn the truth. If this case were in the U.S., Mizbala would have the legal right to find out because their theory certainly is plausible.
As for the classification of "unsafe" constituting defamation or "false description," consider it in light of the text of Section 230(c)(2)(A):
No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of ... any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected.
In other words, if Facebook is blocking the links because it believes that they are harassing, Facebook could have and should have just said as much. But if that is the reason and Facebook is calling it "unsafe" to hide the real reason, they may have a problem on their hands.
At the same time, we have Ars Technica reporting that the CIA developed board games to train their officers. When one group of agents was found to be cheating at the game, the article states:
"That's real human behavior," CIA Chief Strategy Officer Rachel Grunspan says. "If you design a game right, you’ll see a lot of complexity organically emerge. That’s what you want."
It's not cheating. It's "organic complexity." Probably gluten-free, too.
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With a settlement in his pocket mr email appears to have at least enough in hand to drive thus case to discovery and court.
What the AC likely means is that the $750k Gawker settlement provided Ayyadurai with a war chest to pay for discovery and trial. Without that monetary settlement, this case presumably doesn't get filed in the first place.
Maybe you meant to quote the AC's subsequent sentence:
With a settlement in his pocket the courts are probably not going to dismiss especially considering the somewhat nasty tone of the postings here.
Clearly, the dismissibility of this case does not hinge on the fact that Ayyadurai obtained a settlement from Gawker. As for the "somewhat nasty tone" argument (i.e., motion for hurt feelz) that's not a defense to an Anti-SLAPP motion or a motion to dismiss.
You're right except for the law. Both Florida law (910.005) and Utah law (76-1-201) provide that a person is "subject to prosecution in this state for an offense that she or he commits, while either within or outside the state, by her or his own conduct or that of another for which the person is legally accountable, if: … The conduct outside the state constitutes an attempt to commit an offense within the state."
As a matter of practice, Florida won't extradite for a first offense under this law because it would be a misdemeanor. Second offenses could be felonies, though, so Florida would extradite. (Again, assuming that the law didn't so blatantly violate the First Amendment.)
On his website, Ayyadurai states, "Email is the direct translation of the interoffice, inter-organizational paper-based mail system." And in an interview with Mo Rocca on that Ayyadurai posted to YouTube, he said:
Every secretary, on their desktop, was a thing called the inbox. So everything we see today in every email program in the world—inbox, outbox, folders, address book, return receipt, to, from, subject, bcc—all of these elements and more all came from the interoffice mail system, which was a physical system that was used in every office in the world.
In other words, Ayyadurai admits that his program merely performs the functions of an interoffice mail system "on a computer". Under the Supreme Court's Alice decision, his program could not be patented, even now that computer programs are patent-eligible.
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I take it you never have realized that the entire justice system is built around fallible human beings making mistakes. That's why we have Magistrates who can be reviewed by District Court judges who can be reviewed by the Courts of Appeals who can be reviewed by the Supreme Court. As was said of the Supreme Court by Justice Robert Jackson: "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final." Brown v. Allen, 344 U.S. 443.
"Whoops" isn't an excuse. It's an admission of a mistake. If you read the second order, the Court doesn't offer any excuse for its first order. It just fixes it by issuing the right order the second time around.
As for "people's lives, livelihoods, and Constitutional rights" being at stake, I'll give you that the First Amendment is front and center here. But I don't exactly recall anyone's life being at stake in this case, or even anyone's livelihood.
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Word Placement
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Acronyms for Reputation Managers
Ethical
Obligations
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We agree that the judge made a mistake in the original order. The question is why. Tegman suggested the judge didn't give a "flying flip" about constitutional rights. I responded and suggested that caseload might have something to do with it. Mistakes happen. It's been fixed.
Where you came up with the notion that anyone was arguing that the judge didn't think about the orders before they were issued, I have no idea. When you find the rabbit, let me know.
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If you read both this post and the previous one on this case, it's clear that the plaintiff was trying to hide the true nature of its claims behind trademark law. It seems likely that the judge just missed it the first time around, not for lack of concern for the law but because the lawyer slipped one past.
Once the judge realized the mistake—when a lawyer finally argued the defendant's case—the judge fixed it.
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Care to provide any support for that?
No, District Judge Dee Benson signed this order and the previous one.
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Re: Re: judges
No, federal district court judges have lifetime appointments (which is why confirmation hearings are so much fun).
Yes, because you obviously have to fix something, like hold a new trial, change your order to conform to the appellate decision, or whatever.
See comment about confirmation hearings above. After going through that, this is cake.
No.
Sometimes, judges drop commentary in opinions, but it doesn't happen often. Look for orders that cite how a bunch of other courts do something, followed by "However, this Court is bound to follow the Court of Appeals here ..."
They're not elected. Once appointed, they do not care who appointed them. (Of course, state court mileage will vary, but the case here is federal.)
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They have lifetime appointments, just like Supreme Court justices, so no, they don't get fired.
Before you start deciding whether judges give a "flying flip," bear in mind that each judge in the District of Utah had 459 pending cases (as of 9/30/16). What appears to you to be a lack of concern almost certainly is a whoops-got-that-one-wrong-fix-it-now-move-on-to-the-other-458.
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Especially when applied to a Rubik's cube.
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Which way to Mountain View?
The phrase "located in city or township of Edina, County of Hennepin, State of Minnesota" comes immediately after Google's Mountain View address. That phrase is boilerplate indicated that the target of the warrant is supposed to be located in Edina, as a judge in Hennepin County District Court can't issue search warrants to be executed outside of that jurisdiction.
However, at the end of the application, it states, "Google Inc. accepts and recognizes search warrants from Hennepin County District Court." In other words, Google apparently doesn't intend to object to what otherwise would be a lack of jurisdiction.
Of course, the alternative reading is that the officer believes Mountain View, California is located in Edina.
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Seems Plausible
Maybe Facebook's security systems detected something "unsafe" on their website. Maybe not. Mizbala thinks the latter. The only way to know is to obtain Facebook's internal documents and logs through discovery in litigation and, even then, you don't always learn the truth. If this case were in the U.S., Mizbala would have the legal right to find out because their theory certainly is plausible.
As for the classification of "unsafe" constituting defamation or "false description," consider it in light of the text of Section 230(c)(2)(A):
In other words, if Facebook is blocking the links because it believes that they are harassing, Facebook could have and should have just said as much. But if that is the reason and Facebook is calling it "unsafe" to hide the real reason, they may have a problem on their hands.
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Redacted 2.0
Isn't that the same tool used by the FOIA-request-processing group?
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Re: Pot, Meet Kettle
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While we debate the Congressional version, apparently this is the version provided to the NSA, CIA, and FBI:
It'd be funny if it wasn't so scary.
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First, we had Senator Dianne Feinstein upset when the CIA spied on her office. Then we had former Rep. Pete Hoekstra upset when the NSA may have spied on Congress. Now, we have Rep. Nunes.
At the same time, we have Ars Technica reporting that the CIA developed board games to train their officers. When one group of agents was found to be cheating at the game, the article states:
It's not cheating. It's "organic complexity." Probably gluten-free, too.
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What the AC likely means is that the $750k Gawker settlement provided Ayyadurai with a war chest to pay for discovery and trial. Without that monetary settlement, this case presumably doesn't get filed in the first place.
Maybe you meant to quote the AC's subsequent sentence:
Clearly, the dismissibility of this case does not hinge on the fact that Ayyadurai obtained a settlement from Gawker. As for the "somewhat nasty tone" argument (i.e., motion for hurt feelz) that's not a defense to an Anti-SLAPP motion or a motion to dismiss.
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Re: Re: Re: Jurisdiction
You're right except for the law. Both Florida law (910.005) and Utah law (76-1-201) provide that a person is "subject to prosecution in this state for an offense that she or he commits, while either within or outside the state, by her or his own conduct or that of another for which the person is legally accountable, if: … The conduct outside the state constitutes an attempt to commit an offense within the state."
As a matter of practice, Florida won't extradite for a first offense under this law because it would be a misdemeanor. Second offenses could be felonies, though, so Florida would extradite. (Again, assuming that the law didn't so blatantly violate the First Amendment.)
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Re: Odd bit I haven't seen mentioned
Let's add another odd bit not yet mentioned.
On his website, Ayyadurai states, "Email is the direct translation of the interoffice, inter-organizational paper-based mail system." And in an interview with Mo Rocca on that Ayyadurai posted to YouTube, he said:
In other words, Ayyadurai admits that his program merely performs the functions of an interoffice mail system "on a computer". Under the Supreme Court's Alice decision, his program could not be patented, even now that computer programs are patent-eligible.
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Re: iRony
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Agreed. People might get the idea that it's OK to copy someone else's stuff.
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