As for your first paragraph I'm assuming that you're talking about places like the Pirate Bay. So let's assume that they're shut down. Do you really think the trackers will go away?
As for the alleged DVD quality they do claim that's the quality but that's most often a very bad joke.
Your second model is a perfect example of site owners who need to be charged with fraud. The customer, or so you say, is paying for the work in good faith but the site is fraudulently presenting itself as a licensed distributor. So that's already covered in criminal law. And if that's not being enforced they're not going anywhere either.
The argument isn't that Indy filmmakers don't need to be paid. They do.
The argument is the demonization of legitimate technologies that articles like this propagandize for.
The argument is about silly claims that "copyleft" (really a copyright license) and Creative Commons (another copyright license) are somehow undermining creators when they clearly are not. Demonization, I'd say.
The other side of the argument, legitimate in and of itself, is that consumers feel so ripped off by an outpouring of pure trash by the recording industry at prices close to the daily final bid on gold and the motion picture industry for so long that they're gonna sample before parting with hard earned cash.
At least Hollywood has figured out that the best way around this is to make product customers are actually willing to pay for at a reasonable price rather than monopoly extortion.
You know something? I heard an interview on CBC radio where it was pointed out that had the recording industry had been able to think out of the box just a teeny tiny bit they'd have realized that they way to go was to move to streaming. If you can get the song you want and the genre you want at a low cost and high quality why would you "pirate"? And they'd be making money had over fist. Instead they're so tied into their current fading business model that they can't see beyond it.
Oh well, no one said change was easy. Creative destruction isn't all that controllable in any event. The point is that the old models aren't going to survive and it's about time that industries based on them adapted before they die.
If you spend a year or two making trash you're not gonna recoup anything, either.
As for the download automagically translating into a lost sale no one, let me repeat that, no one has established a direct causal link between the two. There's just the feeling that it might have.
As for the alleged rip off, as you so kindly put it, translating into dollars lost you forget such things as word of mouth as a result of the download translating into sales of DVD quality paid for downloads which torrent site stuff rarely if ever is. Who knows. Maybe even a shiny disk or three to go along with it.
Indy film makers are still out there making content so someone, somewhere is making money. More than enough for the "artist" to pay for the work and then some.
Try to use a modicum of sense rather than repeating endless nonsemse.
Oh, and you do know that Hollywood is in the middle of another year of raking it in at record levels don't you?
Benedictines have endless patience and they're known to have Jesuit buddy's down the road in that abby with a law office down the side for those who feel they need help with secular idiocy!
I hate to remind you that while the notion of free and critical discussion among scientists about well established theories is either welcomed or encouraged is a bit of a pipe dream.
If you consider that until well into the 1970s it was widely accepted in scientific circles that dinosaurs were all cold blooded, stupid, bad parents by mammalian standards and all died out.
Those who observed the subtle and not so subtle similarities between birds and dinosaurs were, to put it kindly, considered quacks.
The "quacks" held their ground and through such things as the discoveries that dinosaurs actually did develop feathers, weren't at all similar to reptiles as parents, were considerably brighter than we thought, were warm blooded and a few other details that were considered laughable not so long ago.
And now we know that birds really are dinosaurs that survived the extinction by the simple fact that they could get up and move the distances required to find food and suitable nesting places during the extinction period.
In that sense scientists are remarkably like those you criticize in religion who hold onto simplistic notions about their faith and reject any and all interpretations that are at odds with their notions.
If the Judeo-Christian tradition rejected criticism and questioning then where,pray tell, did such honoured practices such as midrash and exegesis come from?
In short, we're all human, we all have our blind spots and ideas we're joined at the hip to and take something on the order of an earthquake to shake.
Science is no different than any other human endeavor in that respect.
They just know that the deceased creators would have signed the petition in a nanosecond. Trust me, they know!
They also know that half of Hungary would have signed the petition if they'd only known it was there instead of going back in their family trees to Attila the Hun.
(In fact Hungary is where Attila's Hun's settled after he scared the crap out of Rome.)
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Obviously he must. I'm sure he has a wrecking bar in his vehicle to attack player pianos in those busy player piano stores because they're pirates, dammnit, PIRATES!
It's a reach to link all this to a story about someone convicted of being an accessory before the fact to murder but he did it.
The thing about people who try so hard to be hip is that they usually aren't.
Couple of complicating factors beyond free speech which, I suspect, is where this will be slapped down and hard.
Lemme see Leahy is proposing a bill that will by some form of magic apply to Canadian, Mexican, Caribbean and other off shore but near by ISP's and DNS operators? I guess he thinks the entire Internet is located in the U.S.A and not global? Either that or he figures that it's okay to legislate extra-territorially whereas he's scream blood murder if someone tried that with the United States?
And there's a scale of infringement? Not according to the RIAA and MPAA there isn't so bye bye Google, YouTube, MySpace and Facebook, I guess.
Block all of usenet and irc? Good luck with that.
And isn't Leahy forgetting that one of the factors leading to the American revolution was this small notion of due process?
Or is Leahy channeling his inner George III George's worst bouts of syphilis? (The 1770s as it happens.)
It's painfully obvious that Leahy has forgotten about the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Bill of Rights.
Someone here is bought and paid for by the folks behind ACTA and is getting there first to prove his loyalty.
There is a strong strain in the completely inbred "cultural" community of Toronto of a wish to be European. Not so much European as French who they worship. Well, Paris actually. Without, it seems having ever been to one of the filthiest cities on the planet. (And I mean that by the simple act of cleaning up, something Paris apparently hasn't done since before 1914 if the state of the city was any indication last time I visitied it.)
Sadly, I must agree with this group's snobbery while on one hand worshiping Paris while they desperately try to be New York north or London west and fail repeatedly to be either.
Another poster is correct in saying that outside of that area and highly inbred group, most Canadians are american in outlook and attitude (small letter deliberate) and have far more in common with our American cousins that we have with our self proclaimed "cultural" elite. The same applies to the Maritimes and Newfoundland. Quebec is a bit of a different story but in the end they're very american, too, they just speak an old americanized French dialect.
What the hell is wrong with the Trailer Park Boys, anyway? ;-)
As for the Queen, if you can figure out a better arrangement than a constitutional monarchy please let us know. We're all pretty sure the system used south of the border, though it may fit the United States, would be marked FAIL up here. And, we don't pay her much in the way of homage. Just a few beaver pelts and free board and lodging when she or her family come to visit. They're nice people, too, except for a certain fella named Phillip.
Depends on when the item was printed and the bet the publisher is making about the value of the Canadian dollar which is still widely accepted to be a few cents higher that the US buck and stay there sometime late this year or early 2011.
My response to the self-absorption of Americans is that it would have been noticed just as mild insults of Canadians, no matter who utters them (the English are particularly good at it) go into deep self-absorption mode in English and French every time it happens.
And we're just as self-absorbed as Americans are. Maybe more so. (According to this Canadian.)
Well, not really, we're just fighting the battle at the Plains of Abraham outside Quebec City over and over and over again. Call it our national political pastime.
If you think anglos in Canada and Quebecois hate each other you should try the angle of Acadians (french speaking) and Quebecois if you want REAL hatred! ;-)
Anyway, we don't go absurd lengths with the language thing. We're used to English and French on our Corn Flakes boxes now. We're having to get used to trilingual packages coming out of the United States now as marketers there realize there's an awful lot of Spanish speaking consumers out there that they really, really want to reach. Not just illegals.
I also know some folks in the former Confederate States who think the Parti Quebecois is onto something with their idea of a referendum to withdraw from confederation and dream of trying it there!
The vast majority of us don't worry much about the U.S. until something happens there that directly affects us. It's surprising often, don't you know. With our economies as entwined as they are it has to be. Whether you feel is as much as we do when we do something stupid is open to question, of course, but imagine the price of oil tomorrow if we shut off the tap!
And really, I don't care if we'd only qualify as a state but for your information we'd be the second largest state economy under that arrangement after California. We're not the slightest bit interested in moving in with you, though.
Jealous? Not really. In some things yes, in others no. Works the same way for Americans who take an interest in us, too.
Anyway, I thought the war of 1812 ended about 196 yeas ago. Can we just let it rest in peace? ;-)
Probably because there's the odd Canuck, like me, coming on here and saying he's right, in some ways.
Look, it's about time that we got a discount up here from US prices when we usually pay a premium.
And yes, there's less choice up here in the great white north because of the idiotic licensing arrangements worked out years ago when someone down south thought we were still a British colony or some southern US congress member who thinks we're lining up at the border to flee oppression and what not and want a wall built across the border by Homeland security or a bunch of softwood lumber barons down south who can't compete with us and a whole lot of other nonsense that we are subjected to by incredibly ignorant but,sadly, powerful Americans.
That said, as individuals I've found Americans from all parts of the country to range from total ignorance of Canada to fairly well informed and the whole range in between. Equally Canadians range from well informed to those who believe each and every stereotype of Americans that comes down the pike (mostly from American television I need to add).
In chat rooms I've found individual Americans to be curious about us and to ask deeper questions as the conversations go on until we all realize that we're kinda like cousins who don't pay much attention to each other until one of us bumps too hard into the other. Of course, we're the 150 pound weakling as the old ads in comic books say but in the end we understand each other better.
Some things we'll never agree on but many others we do. As it says on the Peace Arch between Washington state and the province of British Columbia as we cross the border we're children of a common mother with all the sibling silliness that goes on with that.
SOCAN probably wants 110% up front. I'm sure I heard Lorenna McKennitt mentioning that the other day. Just to protect the artist, of course, from we thieving Canadians.
He does it all the time. We are all pirates, you know, in his view because CD's up here are stupidly overpriced and on and on and on, and we don't actually buy them anymore.
Anyway, the CIRA is the Canadian puppet of the RIAA so we take him about as seriously as we take them.
Still 45% of gross???
Worked out by the imaginative accounting processes of the RIAA and MPAA no doubt.
"EMG may allow 3d parties to place cookies and other tracking technologies, such as web beacons, clear GIFs, web bugs, tracking pixels on the Site for the soul purpose of allowing that 3d party to record that a User has visited the Site and/or used the Service."
I suppose it's 3D parties as opposed to 2D parties inhabiting the flatworld who are placing these cookies and other tracking devices.
Someone better get Grooveshark to proofread their copy.
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As for the alleged DVD quality they do claim that's the quality but that's most often a very bad joke.
Your second model is a perfect example of site owners who need to be charged with fraud. The customer, or so you say, is paying for the work in good faith but the site is fraudulently presenting itself as a licensed distributor. So that's already covered in criminal law. And if that's not being enforced they're not going anywhere either.
The argument isn't that Indy filmmakers don't need to be paid. They do.
The argument is the demonization of legitimate technologies that articles like this propagandize for.
The argument is about silly claims that "copyleft" (really a copyright license) and Creative Commons (another copyright license) are somehow undermining creators when they clearly are not. Demonization, I'd say.
The other side of the argument, legitimate in and of itself, is that consumers feel so ripped off by an outpouring of pure trash by the recording industry at prices close to the daily final bid on gold and the motion picture industry for so long that they're gonna sample before parting with hard earned cash.
At least Hollywood has figured out that the best way around this is to make product customers are actually willing to pay for at a reasonable price rather than monopoly extortion.
You know something? I heard an interview on CBC radio where it was pointed out that had the recording industry had been able to think out of the box just a teeny tiny bit they'd have realized that they way to go was to move to streaming. If you can get the song you want and the genre you want at a low cost and high quality why would you "pirate"? And they'd be making money had over fist. Instead they're so tied into their current fading business model that they can't see beyond it.
Oh well, no one said change was easy. Creative destruction isn't all that controllable in any event. The point is that the old models aren't going to survive and it's about time that industries based on them adapted before they die.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fuck You
If you spend a year or two making trash you're not gonna recoup anything, either.
As for the download automagically translating into a lost sale no one, let me repeat that, no one has established a direct causal link between the two. There's just the feeling that it might have.
As for the alleged rip off, as you so kindly put it, translating into dollars lost you forget such things as word of mouth as a result of the download translating into sales of DVD quality paid for downloads which torrent site stuff rarely if ever is. Who knows. Maybe even a shiny disk or three to go along with it.
Indy film makers are still out there making content so someone, somewhere is making money. More than enough for the "artist" to pay for the work and then some.
Try to use a modicum of sense rather than repeating endless nonsemse.
Oh, and you do know that Hollywood is in the middle of another year of raking it in at record levels don't you?
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Re: Re: Re: I thought the same thing
If you consider that until well into the 1970s it was widely accepted in scientific circles that dinosaurs were all cold blooded, stupid, bad parents by mammalian standards and all died out.
Those who observed the subtle and not so subtle similarities between birds and dinosaurs were, to put it kindly, considered quacks.
The "quacks" held their ground and through such things as the discoveries that dinosaurs actually did develop feathers, weren't at all similar to reptiles as parents, were considerably brighter than we thought, were warm blooded and a few other details that were considered laughable not so long ago.
And now we know that birds really are dinosaurs that survived the extinction by the simple fact that they could get up and move the distances required to find food and suitable nesting places during the extinction period.
In that sense scientists are remarkably like those you criticize in religion who hold onto simplistic notions about their faith and reject any and all interpretations that are at odds with their notions.
If the Judeo-Christian tradition rejected criticism and questioning then where,pray tell, did such honoured practices such as midrash and exegesis come from?
In short, we're all human, we all have our blind spots and ideas we're joined at the hip to and take something on the order of an earthquake to shake.
Science is no different than any other human endeavor in that respect.
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Re: Re: The icing on the cake.
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They also know that half of Hungary would have signed the petition if they'd only known it was there instead of going back in their family trees to Attila the Hun.
(In fact Hungary is where Attila's Hun's settled after he scared the crap out of Rome.)
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Re: Re: It's only censorship when they stop you from expressing yourself, not copying someone else's expression
They're the ones offering money.
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Re: Re: It's only censorship when they stop you from expressing yourself, not copying someone else's expression
It's a reach to link all this to a story about someone convicted of being an accessory before the fact to murder but he did it.
The thing about people who try so hard to be hip is that they usually aren't.
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"Or is Leahy channeling his inner George III George's worst bouts of syphilis? (The 1770s as it happens.)"
Should read: Or is Leahy channeling his inner George III IN George's worst bouts of syphilis? (The 1770s as it happens.)
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Lemme see Leahy is proposing a bill that will by some form of magic apply to Canadian, Mexican, Caribbean and other off shore but near by ISP's and DNS operators? I guess he thinks the entire Internet is located in the U.S.A and not global? Either that or he figures that it's okay to legislate extra-territorially whereas he's scream blood murder if someone tried that with the United States?
And there's a scale of infringement? Not according to the RIAA and MPAA there isn't so bye bye Google, YouTube, MySpace and Facebook, I guess.
Block all of usenet and irc? Good luck with that.
And isn't Leahy forgetting that one of the factors leading to the American revolution was this small notion of due process?
Or is Leahy channeling his inner George III George's worst bouts of syphilis? (The 1770s as it happens.)
It's painfully obvious that Leahy has forgotten about the U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Bill of Rights.
Someone here is bought and paid for by the folks behind ACTA and is getting there first to prove his loyalty.
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Re: Re: What, you never noticed?
Sadly, I must agree with this group's snobbery while on one hand worshiping Paris while they desperately try to be New York north or London west and fail repeatedly to be either.
Another poster is correct in saying that outside of that area and highly inbred group, most Canadians are american in outlook and attitude (small letter deliberate) and have far more in common with our American cousins that we have with our self proclaimed "cultural" elite. The same applies to the Maritimes and Newfoundland. Quebec is a bit of a different story but in the end they're very american, too, they just speak an old americanized French dialect.
What the hell is wrong with the Trailer Park Boys, anyway? ;-)
As for the Queen, if you can figure out a better arrangement than a constitutional monarchy please let us know. We're all pretty sure the system used south of the border, though it may fit the United States, would be marked FAIL up here. And, we don't pay her much in the way of homage. Just a few beaver pelts and free board and lodging when she or her family come to visit. They're nice people, too, except for a certain fella named Phillip.
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Re: Re: Self absorbed?
My response to the self-absorption of Americans is that it would have been noticed just as mild insults of Canadians, no matter who utters them (the English are particularly good at it) go into deep self-absorption mode in English and French every time it happens.
And we're just as self-absorbed as Americans are. Maybe more so. (According to this Canadian.)
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Well, not really, we're just fighting the battle at the Plains of Abraham outside Quebec City over and over and over again. Call it our national political pastime.
If you think anglos in Canada and Quebecois hate each other you should try the angle of Acadians (french speaking) and Quebecois if you want REAL hatred! ;-)
Anyway, we don't go absurd lengths with the language thing. We're used to English and French on our Corn Flakes boxes now. We're having to get used to trilingual packages coming out of the United States now as marketers there realize there's an awful lot of Spanish speaking consumers out there that they really, really want to reach. Not just illegals.
I also know some folks in the former Confederate States who think the Parti Quebecois is onto something with their idea of a referendum to withdraw from confederation and dream of trying it there!
The vast majority of us don't worry much about the U.S. until something happens there that directly affects us. It's surprising often, don't you know. With our economies as entwined as they are it has to be. Whether you feel is as much as we do when we do something stupid is open to question, of course, but imagine the price of oil tomorrow if we shut off the tap!
And really, I don't care if we'd only qualify as a state but for your information we'd be the second largest state economy under that arrangement after California. We're not the slightest bit interested in moving in with you, though.
Jealous? Not really. In some things yes, in others no. Works the same way for Americans who take an interest in us, too.
Anyway, I thought the war of 1812 ended about 196 yeas ago. Can we just let it rest in peace? ;-)
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Re: Re: Re: What, you never noticed?
Look, it's about time that we got a discount up here from US prices when we usually pay a premium.
And yes, there's less choice up here in the great white north because of the idiotic licensing arrangements worked out years ago when someone down south thought we were still a British colony or some southern US congress member who thinks we're lining up at the border to flee oppression and what not and want a wall built across the border by Homeland security or a bunch of softwood lumber barons down south who can't compete with us and a whole lot of other nonsense that we are subjected to by incredibly ignorant but,sadly, powerful Americans.
That said, as individuals I've found Americans from all parts of the country to range from total ignorance of Canada to fairly well informed and the whole range in between. Equally Canadians range from well informed to those who believe each and every stereotype of Americans that comes down the pike (mostly from American television I need to add).
In chat rooms I've found individual Americans to be curious about us and to ask deeper questions as the conversations go on until we all realize that we're kinda like cousins who don't pay much attention to each other until one of us bumps too hard into the other. Of course, we're the 150 pound weakling as the old ads in comic books say but in the end we understand each other better.
Some things we'll never agree on but many others we do. As it says on the Peace Arch between Washington state and the province of British Columbia as we cross the border we're children of a common mother with all the sibling silliness that goes on with that.
On the post: Canadian Recording Industry Demands 45% Of Revenue; Then Blames 'Pirates' For No Streaming Music Services
Re: Music Industry NOT asking for 45%
On the post: Canadian Recording Industry Demands 45% Of Revenue; Then Blames 'Pirates' For No Streaming Music Services
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Anyway, the CIRA is the Canadian puppet of the RIAA so we take him about as seriously as we take them.
Still 45% of gross???
Worked out by the imaginative accounting processes of the RIAA and MPAA no doubt.
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I suppose it's 3D parties as opposed to 2D parties inhabiting the flatworld who are placing these cookies and other tracking devices.
Someone better get Grooveshark to proofread their copy.
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So sad really.
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