Barring entry from countries that are state sponsors of terror, or ignore major organisations within their borders
All of the countries on his original lists were majority-Muslim countries. You can say it was about “terrorism”, but considering how Trump had previously said Muslims should be temporarily banned from entering America after both the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack and the Pulse nightclub shooting. As for those claims of “it was about terrorists”: An internal report from Homeland Security’s Intelligence and Analysis Unit concluded that people from the seven nations affected by the travel ban posed no increased terror risk.
He always pushed for repeal and REPLACE
“Repeal and replace” still includes “repeal”. And considering how neither his administration nor the GOP had any actual replacement plan ready to go in the event of a repeal? Yeah…
Tax cuts for nearly every person in the country.
Who benefitted more from those tax cuts? The wealthy (and thus the obscenely wealthy), who hoard their wealth like they’re Tolkein dragons and expect us to accept piecemeal charity and “generous” philanthropy as a replacement for contributing monies to the public good.
Bill number? I’m not familiar with this.
You’ve never heard of Google, have you, Squidward?
Negotiations with hostile countries to further peace
He sent the equivalent of love letters to Kim Jong-Un. He gave Kim a place on the world stage — and the credibility that goes with it — in exchange for nothing. Donald Trump didn’t negotiate with “hostile countries”. He kissed the asses of their leaders while he burned the diplomatic bridges between the U.S. and long-standing allies.
No opinion. Not familiar with whatever situation your refer to.
Half the country thinks climate change is part of the natural system as we leave the ice age.
Global climate change can be natural…except in this case, it is human-caused pollution that is inching us closer to an irreversible change in the global climate that will affect all life on this planet and potentially cause the Sixth Great Extinction. Anyone who denies the reality of global climate change — and the fact that humans are the most significant cause of that change — doesn’t need a seat of power in a government agency dedicated to protecting and preserving the environment.
They serve at will of the president. Non-issue
It is an issue when a president sees competency and fairness and a desire to serve the people of the United States as an attack on himself and acts accordingly — to the point where multiple agencies are still trying to fix the damage caused by Trump loyalists who placed the needs of one man above both the law and the country.
Questionable sourcing.
Prove it.
So what. As Biden’s canned response: “com’on man!”
I can all but guarantee that if Biden was as cruel and heartless towards the people who criticize and oppose him right now as Trump was/still is towards anyone who isn’t a cocksucking loyalist, you’d be treating that cruelty as a big fucking deal. Hypocrisy ain’t a good look, fam.
The President has the right to sign or not sign. That’s how the country works
He shut down the government over the fact that he couldn’t get Congress to give him funding for his precious border wall. His desire to “own the libs” caused a month-long government shutdown that only ended when finally he backed down in the face of enormous political pressure.
WaPo, leader of fake news. Try a reliable source
Prove their reporting is bullshit.
Defending monuments, period.
He explicitly defended Confederate monuments. He also defended the names of military bases that were named for Confederate leaders. Oh, and he also criticized NASCAR for banning the Confederate battle flag from its events.
The President has the pardon anyone he wants. For any reason
A president pardoning political allies and loyalists for the rather obvious reasoning of “I did you a favor and got you out of jail, now you do me a favor and shut up about me” is about the purest form of political corruption that I can think of.
The goal is unity in the military.
Transgender people had already been serving in the military before Trump banned them. How does tossing them out after they’ve already proven their worth accomplish that “unity” goal?
Forcing it on the majority in such a setting as the military forces is counterproductive.
And forcing out a minority that had already been serving in the military because of the bigotry of the so-called leader of the free world and his bootlicking supporters is…productive, somehow?
the first dozen links I long pressed on to verify “source” all go to other left wing media.
Don’t blame me if right-wing media is bullshit/afraid to criticize right-wing leaders/afraid to say anything that isn’t a Trumpian “truth”.
I’m not going to continue to argue this.
…says the poster who used more than a dozen posts to argue about “bleach” and “disinfectants”.
You hate that Trump was president.
Oh, I don’t hate that Trump was president. In a twisted sort of way, I’m glad Trump was president — because it exposed, for all the country and the world to see, the bigotry and ignorance and outright fascist leanings of Republican voters, lawmakers, and pundits. Donald Trump has been the closest we’ve ever gotten to full-bore American fascism, and everyone who supported him doesn’t seem to understand how that is a bad thing. You’re one of those people.
But otherwise? Yes, I hate Donald Trump with every last molecule of my being and I want nothing more than for him to die of an excrutiatingly painful heart attack that lets him feel at least a small amount of the suffering he inflicted upon this country during his four years as president. I hate him with every ounce of hate I can muster. I don’t bandy about the word “hate” when I mean “dislike”; “hate” is a strong word for a strong emotion. Hell, I don’t even hate you, and you’re one of his shit-eating supporters. So when I say “I hate Donald Trump and everything he stands for”, you can know with as much certainty as a human being can muster than I. Motherfucking. Hate. Donald. Trump.
I despise living under Biden.
Why? It’s not like anything is any worse under Biden right now. COVID-19 numbers are looking better, the economy is on the verge of reopening to something looking like a “new” normal, and gun violence is getting back to its pre-COVID rates. The public health, the economy, and the Second Amendment are all looking better again. I’d think all of those things would make you happy.
I can live with that regardless of whatever fake news, half truths, and ignorant beliefs you hold.
When you go to bed tonight, I want you to hold an image in your head.
I want you to close your eyes and imagine a young female child — six, maybe seven years old. This child is a South American migrant; she has travelled to the United States with their parents, who want a better life for their child (and maybe themselves). That child and their family reach the border, only to be arrested by ICE. They’re taken to a detention facility where, during their processing, ICE agents forcibly separate the parents from their daughter. I want you to imagine the wailing of those parents as they watch their young daughter ripped from their arms and taken away — possibly seeing her for the last time in their lives. I want you to imagine the daughter crying out for their parents, not knowing what will happen to her in the immediate future — not knowing that she may never see their parents ever again.
And then I want you to picture the smile on Donald Trump’s face as he imagines the same image. I want you to picture the smiles on the faces of people like Stephen Miller, an avowed white nationalist and one of the architects of Trump’s (racist) immigration policies. I want you to imagine the looks on the faces of Trumpians everywhere who have so few fucks to give about other people — especially the poor, and especially poor immigrants — that they hear stories about migrant families ripped apart and laugh at the misfortune and suffering.
And after you imagine all that, I want you to imagine the smile on your own face — because you voted for Donald Trump, which means you gleefully and knowingly voted for human suffering.
I want you to take, to your sleep and to your grave, the feeling of joy in your heart as you voted for the man who believed human suffering was a goal instead of a great evil.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with it. Revel in it. Enjoy it, even. But make sure everyone else knows you made that vote — because the cruel will welcome your company and the compassionate will leave you to your own devices. You will find friendship only from those who share the same delight in cruelty and hatred and misery and the causing thereof as Donald Trump.
You voted for human suffering. You voted for sociopathy. You voted for American fascism. Whatever compassion and empathy you think you deserve, you will — and should — receive none of it. Enjoy the company of the cruel, Lodos; it’s all you will ever deserve.
Oh, and one more thing: You still refused to criticize Donald Trump for anything, which proves my entire point. So…thanks for that! 😁
Like I keep telling them: Their vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Lodos looked at the past four years of Trumpism — the Muslim travel ban, the migrant concentration camps (with bonus family separations), the refusal to denounce white supremacy and treat it as the domestic terror threat it truly is, the mockery and scorn visited upon Black athletes who chose to protest police brutality — and decided that four-plus years of racism from a candidate-turned-officeholder wasn’t a dealbreaker. Hell, I’m sure they’ll be along soon enough to say “It WaSn’T aBoUt RaCe!!!!1!1!” and offer some ridiculous-ass defense of Trump’s words and deeds that looks only at the surface of said words and deeds instead of the full context (including the sociopolitical history of the United States and Trump’s own history of racism prior to his 2016 campaign).
Lodos isn’t a Trump supporter. They’re a Trump asskisser. Such people have no other reaction to criticism of Dear Leader but “this is a personal attack against me and I will defend both myself and my object of worship”. Any criticism of Trump — no matter how accurate, no matter how truthful, no matter how miniscule — is cause for them to take up arms (metaphorically and literally) and fight “the libs” and “the RINOs” and anyone else who dares to question the word of their perfect, unmistaken, honest-to-a-fault Dear Leader.
Notice that for all the complaining about “He DiDn’T sAy BlEaCh!!!1!”, Lodos hasn’t once criticized Trump for openly suggesting, during a live press briefing that was being broadcast to the general public, that injecting household disinfectants — including bleach — into living people was a possible method of fighting COVID-19. They haven’t once criticized Trump for…let’s see…
specifically targeting Muslims with two versions of the now-infamous Muslim travel ban
pushing for the repeal of the ACA without any sort of plan in place to replace the ACA or protect those that were able to obtain medical coverage thanks specifically to the ACA
giving the wealthy (and therefore the obscenely wealthy) a break on their already–ridiculously low taxes
signing a bill that killed the Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces regulation, an Obama-era regulation that protected workers against serious safety hazards and labor law violations in any government contract above $500,000
supporting dictators, authoritarians, and other “strongarm” leaders around the world (e.g., Kim Jong-Un, Rodrigo Duterte, Vladimir Putin) to the point of fawning over them like a hormonally crazed teenager with a high school crush, even as those leaders violated human rights in their home countries (e.g., jailing or even murdering critics) in ways Trump likely dreamed of doing
advocating for the Duterte-esque execution of drug dealers as a means of “winning” the War on Drugs in the U.S.
appointing climate change denialists into positions of power within the Environmental Protection Agency
demanding one-way loyalty of all his political appointees — including the Attorney General of the United States — to the point where any appointee found to have been putting the law/the country/literally anything else before the needs, wants, and desires of Donald Trump were either terminated from their jobs or demoted into near-worthless (and near-powerless) positions
demanding that same one-way loyalty from every part of the federal government, to the point where agencies found to have been putting the law above that “loyalty” were criticized to the point of being discredited, defunded, or “reorganized” in a way where Trump loyalists were put in power
insulting everyone who ever criticized him, everyone who was “disloyal” to him, and…well, any woman in power who didn’t (metaphorically) suck his dick — the people for whom he saved the harshest insults
threatening to shut down the federal government if he didn’t get funding for his precious border wall boondoggle
defending monuments to the Confederacy — a failed nation-state that seceded from and lost a war with the United States over the “state’s right” to own Black people as property and enslave them for their entire lives
pardoning convicted criminals for no reason other than political bias…and the hope that this rare showing of loyalty from Trump would be reciprocated with a show of loyalty to Trump if and when necessary
banning transgender people from serving in all branches of the U.S. military, regardless of whether they meet all qualifications
…and that’s just from a quick cursory glance at The List of Trumpian Atrocities that I’m sure even Lodos will find a way to dismiss without reading — or defend without thinking, an act with which they seem to have plenty of experience.
A vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Anyone who voted for him should be reminded of that at every opportunity. They need to live with that for the rest of their lives.
Maybe you are the one missing the context of the discussion?
I understood the context just fine. Maybe you’re the one too afraid to criticize Dear Leader for suggesting the idea of injecting people with bleach — oh, I’m sorry, ~disinfectants~ — as a means of fighting COVID-19.
Yes he did. One to be followed up on.
Again: The fact that he suggested the idea is enough for his followers to take him at his word and try it themselves — which some did, much to nobody’s surprise. (A similar thing happened when Trump first suggested using hydroxychloroquine as a treatment: At least one of his followers drank chlorine because of the suggestion posed by Dear Leader.)
Bleach is never shorthand for any and all disinfectants.
And as pointed out in another comment, bleach was mentioned as a disinfectant that kills the COVID-19 virus (albeit on non-porous surfaces) mere moments before Trump made his remarks. Logically leaping from the generalized “disinfectants” to the more specific “bleach” isn’t the stretch you seem to think it is. And openly positing the idea isn’t asking a question, either — because Trump never once phrased his idea (say it with me, Jeopardy! fans) in the form of a question.
You’re going to incredible lengths to defend a man who suggested that poisoning people with disinfectants was a possible idea for fighting COVID-19. Maybe reconsider whether you want to die on Clorox Hill.
He said we (the government) should look into the possibility of using disinfectants.
And you still voted for him despite his explicitly stated desire to have government scientists look into the possibility that poisoning human beings with disinfectants.
I mean, he wouldn’t have been wrong that such an approach would’ve killed the virus. He just didn’t seem to care that it would’ve killed the host, too. What’s worse? You don’t seem to care, either.
they did all spend 5 years thinking everything Trump did was some great conspiracy
Considering how open Trump and his cronies were about their corruption, it wasn’t a conspiracy — it was a criminal enterprise disguised as a government administration.
Against this wasn’t an address to the public, either.
It was a broadcast-to-the-public press briefing. You’re splitting hairs so thin that they’re practically invisible.
trump isn’t a doctor and was simply asking about it. If such a situation was possible, and that the question should be brought up to doctors.
I’m not a doctor, and even I’m not ignorant enough to seriously suggest injecting disinfectants of any kind — including bleach! — into a living human being. No one should need a doctorate in human biology to know “bleach in body = bad”. I mean…just…fuckin’ hell, son, did your parents not keep the cleaning chemicals out of your reach or teach you that they weren’t for drinking?
OR crank calls
Prove it.
That’s not what he said. That’s not what he implied.
He heavily implied that injecting disinfectants into human bodies was a possible method — and remember, even you said “possible” earlier! — of fighting COVID-19. Again, mob boss mentality: If he has an idea, so long as he expresses the idea, one of his followers is likely to act upon that regardless of whether the expressed idea lacks an explicit direction. Trump didn’t need to say “inject bleach” — his followers heard him raise the idea of “inject disinfectants to fight COVID” and some of them acted accordingly.
First he said bleach. Then everyone back-pedalled and claimed he see inject cleaners/disinfectant.
FYI: “Bleach” is shorthand for “disinfectants” in this specific discussion. And just so you know, in the moments leading up to Trump’s comments, Bill Bryan — then the head of Science and Technology Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security — said the following when mentioning which disinfectants scientists were testing for efficacy in killing the COVID-19 virus on non-porous surfaces: “We’ve tested bleach[.]” He followed that up with this: “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes[.]” Given that context and the comments Trump made, saying “Trump suggested that people could inject bleach into their bodies to fight the virus” isn’t entirely accurate — but it’s closer to the truth than I’m sure you’re willing to admit.
I don’t have to spend my time finding some rational meaning to cling to whatever fake invented story MSNBCNN put out today
Yes, I’m sure you’re indifferent to any human suffering that doesn’t directly affect you. I’d bet money on you thinking Derek Chauvin should be a free man right now, but I don’t do sucker bets.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with that for the rest of your life.
How the anti crowd likes to ignore not just context but parts of the sentence!
I posted the whole goddamn sentence and then some. I didn’t ignore it; you’re ignoring both context and the idea of suggestibility.
Something like that. Nope. Still false. Absolutely did not suggest injecting Bleach, or any non-medically approved substance.
Except he did — in his usual mob boss fashion. Take a look at his full remark about disinfectants:
I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.
The implication is clear: He wants people — scientists or doctors, sure, but anyone will do in a pinch — to try injecting disinfectants into human bloodstreams as a method of fighting COVID-19. He didn’t have to tell his followers to try it; they would pick up on his wishes and do it anyway. (Which they did.) He didn’t have to say “bleach” himself; the context of the entire conversation around that point and the mention of disinfectants did that heavy lifting for him.
Even if he didn’t explicitly say “I want you to inject yourself with bleach”, his implications were clear to the American public. He didn’t need to say it explicitly. His followers obviously knew what he meant. That he seriously suggested, in a public press briefing, the idea of injecting disinfectants into living human beings as a means of fighting COVID makes him an irresponsible buffoon who is indifferent to human suffering at best.
these are poison hotline reports of calls. Not actual poisonings.
The fact that a higher number of calls than typical for that period of the year occured in the days after Trump suggested injecting disinfectants is at least one data point in favor of the idea that people took him seriously.
for all the “blind sheeple” of Trump, no wave of actual poisonings happened
That you know of.
Anyone who ingested cleaners without medical order is an idiot.
Anyone who suggested people could inject themselves with disinfectants to fight COVID during a public press briefing is an even bigger idiot.
If you were actually correct in any way in your CNN said it it’s true view, I’d agree with you.
I listened to the soundbite. I read the transcript. Unlike you, I can understand the nuance of implications — i.e., I can read between the lines.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with that for the rest of your life.
The vast majority of masks do nothing to protect the user.
Wearing no mask at all does nothing to protect anyone.
The federal government is not the[re] to force you to care for yourself.
But it does exist to help care for the populace in times of national distress. A pandemic sure as shit qualifies for that.
We’re just going to disagree with what method the president should have taken. The intention to shut down most travel from China would have greatly eased the numbers of infected and dead.
No, it wouldn’t have. By the time anyone thought to cut off travel from China, the virus had already spread to other places. Cutting off China but letting everyone else in would’ve only delayed the inevitable. The only viable solution would’ve been to go Full Madagascar (“Shut. Down. EVERYTHING.”) and prevent anyone from coming into the country in any context — even if they were American citizens.
By the time it became clear Trump hatred was going to delay a logical decision indefinitely, the fleeing travellers were already here.
“Trump hatred” didn’t delay a decision. Trump being a callous sociopath who thought the virus would simply “go away” delayed any and all decisions he made concerning the pandemic…except maybe the one where he had his name put on the first two COVID stimulus checks.
Because it didn’t work for swine flu[.]
Via Wikipedia: “From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3 - 89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086 - 402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868 - 18,306) in the United States due to the virus.” That looks like a far less severe pandemic compared to COVID-19, so maybe the playbook worked better than you think it did.
I take it you lost someone from covid.
Unlike you (and Republicans), I don’t need a personal loss to stimulate my sense of empathy/sympathy for others.
most discussion about some masks working better than other ones is quickly killed because they’d rather you protect them than yourself
Discussion about which masks work better is largely irrelevant. If the average person can get their hands on the proper masks, great — but if they can’t, any other mask that offers even some protection is still better than no mask at all. And yes, wearing a mask is about protecting others — I don’t know how thinking of the well-being of others and inconveniencing yourself for the sake of public health became a controversial position that requires, say, armed protests in state capitols.
If both parties had been completely honest about masks in the first place we wouldn’t be debating this as much today!
Yes, we would have — because Republicans have taught their voter base to distrust science and facts and thinking of others in favor of trusting fear and superstition and thinking only of one’s self.
It is not the federal government’s job, however, to dictate how a state should handle emergencies.
But the federal government does have a job in such situations: to work with all the states on finding a unified approach to handling the situation — or at least a unified set of facts and scientific recommendations to work with.
Affordable Care Act: a good intention, a terrible law.
Still better than what we had before it.
Trump wasn’t advocating repeal, he advanced “repeal and replace”!
That…that means he was advocating for the repeal of the ACA. The failure of his administration (and the GOP in general) to produce a replacement plan is irrelevant to his pushing both Congress and the Supreme Court for a complete repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
Like what?
For starters, acknowledging that queer people exist as something other than a political tool — Trump didn’t even recognize Pride Month for the first two years of his presidency. Old 45 also rolled back Obama-era healthcare protections for transgender patients.
Which he retracted when presented with evidence.
Trump didn’t denounce the theory when Barack Obama presented his long-form birth certificate. Trump finally denounced the theory in 2016 — five years after he initially plugged the theory into the public consciousness — and never once apologized for making all of those false and baseless claims. (He also never admitted to being wrong about the theory.)
never did trump tell anyone to inject bleach! Or even imply someone should do that.
Again, note the context of his comments. Also: Like a mob boss, he doesn’t need to exhort his followers directly — he needs only to make a suggestion that, say, maybe diving off a cliff could cure COVID. Then he can sit back and watch every one of his precious lemmings fall off a cliff.
The context, you are ignoring, is this wasn’t even a discussion with the nation, his supporters, or any official statement. It was a question to an advisor on the current status of covid research.
His comments were part of a press briefing that was transmitted to public airwaves. Whether he directed them at an advisor, a journalist, or some schmuck in Nebraska named Jimmy Rocksalt is largely irrelevant to the fact that he said them in the context of discussing how sunlight and disinfectants (e.g., bleach) affect the COVID-19 virus.
Oh, what’s that term? Facts not in evidence!
Granted, I don’t have facts on this one. But I do have a strong feeling based on literally everything else he did as president. He didn’t give a damn about protecting the marginalized — he proved that when he separated migrant families. He didn’t give a damn about helping the economically disadvantaged — he proved that when he lowered tax rates for the wealthy. He didn’t give a damn about doing anything for anyone but those who would/could support him — he proved that when he threatened to withhold financial support from “blue” states and threatened to send the military into “blue” cities to quell riots (ostensibly with violence).
I can’t find records for a case being filed, so it may have just been the bluster of threats made shortly after the order.
Then your assertion was bullshit and you should say as much.
There’s little denying there’s plenty of travel-ban-racist reports though.
Which ban — the one on Chinese people or the one on Muslims? Trump didn’t exactly limit his racist bullshit while he was in office, you know.
Every measure presented by a Republicans in Congress that had pandemic funds was fought, or blocked, by Democrats.
The measure mentioned in your (obviously partisan) link is dated on the 20th of October 2020. I looked up that exact date and anything related to COVID relief measures, and look what popped up:
“[A] closer look at the stimulus negotiations showed a more complex debate. It was not just Pelosi with whom the White House needed reconciliation to pass COVID-19 economic relief in fall 2020 as the president alleged.” Turns out, Republicans weren’t exactly enamored with the amount of spending in the more comprehensive relief bill that was floating around at that time.
[Th]e only people I blame for covid deaths are the Chinese who either (likely based on international news) created it or refused to be honest about its spreadability.
Two things.
Blame the Chinese government for not being more forthcoming about the virus, not the Chinese people. A whole-ass billion people didn’t wake up and decide one day to fuck with the rest of the world to the tune of millions of otherwise preventable deaths.
No credible indication exists that COVID was created in a lab. When such an indication exists, I’ll take it seriously. But the ranting of xenophobic bigots doesn’t qualify as “credible” to me.
And even if — and that’s a big “if”, lemme tell ya — China did somehow unleash this virus upon the world, Donald Trump still refused to take the pandemic seriously until it got so bad that not even he could deny the truth any longer. To this day, even with a half-million Americans dead, he probably still believes COVID is no worse than the average flu and will disappear “shortly”.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with that for the rest of your life.
Everyone else can pick your other bullshit apart, but I want to focus on one thing:
when gays weren't allowed to force a company to bake cakes for them displaying a message they didn't agree with
Now, can you spot the mistake you’ve made?
I’ll give you a second to figure it out. Feel free to Google “Masterpiece Cakeshop” if you need a hint.
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…okay, time’s up! Your mistake was your entire assertion.
Masterpiece Cakeshop lost the anti-discrimination lawsuit filed against it at every level but the Supreme Court on the merits. (SCOTUS kicked it back on a technicality while refusing to rule on the merits, the cowards.) In that case, the cakeshop refused to sell even a basic wedding cake — an item offered to the general public — to a gay couple. The would-be customers never got as far as saying how they wanted the cake decorated because they were never able to purchase a wedding cake in the first place.
When a business opens its doors to the public, it must offer to all customers equal access to the same “menu” (e.g., services, items). That business doesn’t get to decide who makes up “the public”. It has to operate under all applicable laws — including non-discrimination ordinances. For example: A public-facing meat shop can’t offer kosher meat only to Jewish customers. That said, the meat shop is under no obligation to sell kosher meat even if a Jewish customer asks for it.
Your mistake — which is the same mistake every anti-queer bigot makes when talking about the Masterpiece case — was believing the courts forced the bakery to both bake a cake for the would-be customers and decorate said cake per the wishes of that couple. At no point in the case did any court force Masterpiece to decorate a wedding cake with pro-gay messaging. At no point in the case did any court force Masterpiece to bake a wedding cake for a gay customer. (And the bakery voluntarily stopped selling wedding cakes to avoid running afoul of the law again.) Your entire assertion rests on a lie spread by bigots who want paint queer people as Rainbow Fascists who are using the law to force Christian Americans — the most oppressed majority in the history of the world~! — into showing support for queer people. That you’ve bought into the lie is…telling.
No one can compel a bakery, a T-shirt printer, or any other business to print speech with which that business doesn’t want to associate — regardless of the political leanings of the business or the would-be customer. I wouldn’t want an anti-gay baker forced to make a cake with pro-gay messaging any more than I would want a pro-gay baker forced to make a cake with anti-gay messaging.
This has been an educational moment for you. Learn something from it.
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All of the countries on his original lists were majority-Muslim countries. You can say it was about “terrorism”, but considering how Trump had previously said Muslims should be temporarily banned from entering America after both the 2015 San Bernardino terrorist attack and the Pulse nightclub shooting. As for those claims of “it was about terrorists”: An internal report from Homeland Security’s Intelligence and Analysis Unit concluded that people from the seven nations affected by the travel ban posed no increased terror risk.
“Repeal and replace” still includes “repeal”. And considering how neither his administration nor the GOP had any actual replacement plan ready to go in the event of a repeal? Yeah…
Who benefitted more from those tax cuts? The wealthy (and thus the obscenely wealthy), who hoard their wealth like they’re Tolkein dragons and expect us to accept piecemeal charity and “generous” philanthropy as a replacement for contributing monies to the public good.
You’ve never heard of Google, have you, Squidward?
He sent the equivalent of love letters to Kim Jong-Un. He gave Kim a place on the world stage — and the credibility that goes with it — in exchange for nothing. Donald Trump didn’t negotiate with “hostile countries”. He kissed the asses of their leaders while he burned the diplomatic bridges between the U.S. and long-standing allies.
Google is your friend.
Global climate change can be natural…except in this case, it is human-caused pollution that is inching us closer to an irreversible change in the global climate that will affect all life on this planet and potentially cause the Sixth Great Extinction. Anyone who denies the reality of global climate change — and the fact that humans are the most significant cause of that change — doesn’t need a seat of power in a government agency dedicated to protecting and preserving the environment.
It is an issue when a president sees competency and fairness and a desire to serve the people of the United States as an attack on himself and acts accordingly — to the point where multiple agencies are still trying to fix the damage caused by Trump loyalists who placed the needs of one man above both the law and the country.
Prove it.
I can all but guarantee that if Biden was as cruel and heartless towards the people who criticize and oppose him right now as Trump was/still is towards anyone who isn’t a cocksucking loyalist, you’d be treating that cruelty as a big fucking deal. Hypocrisy ain’t a good look, fam.
He shut down the government over the fact that he couldn’t get Congress to give him funding for his precious border wall. His desire to “own the libs” caused a month-long government shutdown that only ended when finally he backed down in the face of enormous political pressure.
Prove their reporting is bullshit.
He explicitly defended Confederate monuments. He also defended the names of military bases that were named for Confederate leaders. Oh, and he also criticized NASCAR for banning the Confederate battle flag from its events.
A president pardoning political allies and loyalists for the rather obvious reasoning of “I did you a favor and got you out of jail, now you do me a favor and shut up about me” is about the purest form of political corruption that I can think of.
Transgender people had already been serving in the military before Trump banned them. How does tossing them out after they’ve already proven their worth accomplish that “unity” goal?
And forcing out a minority that had already been serving in the military because of the bigotry of the so-called leader of the free world and his bootlicking supporters is…productive, somehow?
Don’t blame me if right-wing media is bullshit/afraid to criticize right-wing leaders/afraid to say anything that isn’t a Trumpian “truth”.
…says the poster who used more than a dozen posts to argue about “bleach” and “disinfectants”.
Oh, I don’t hate that Trump was president. In a twisted sort of way, I’m glad Trump was president — because it exposed, for all the country and the world to see, the bigotry and ignorance and outright fascist leanings of Republican voters, lawmakers, and pundits. Donald Trump has been the closest we’ve ever gotten to full-bore American fascism, and everyone who supported him doesn’t seem to understand how that is a bad thing. You’re one of those people.
But otherwise? Yes, I hate Donald Trump with every last molecule of my being and I want nothing more than for him to die of an excrutiatingly painful heart attack that lets him feel at least a small amount of the suffering he inflicted upon this country during his four years as president. I hate him with every ounce of hate I can muster. I don’t bandy about the word “hate” when I mean “dislike”; “hate” is a strong word for a strong emotion. Hell, I don’t even hate you, and you’re one of his shit-eating supporters. So when I say “I hate Donald Trump and everything he stands for”, you can know with as much certainty as a human being can muster than I. Motherfucking. Hate. Donald. Trump.
Why? It’s not like anything is any worse under Biden right now. COVID-19 numbers are looking better, the economy is on the verge of reopening to something looking like a “new” normal, and gun violence is getting back to its pre-COVID rates. The public health, the economy, and the Second Amendment are all looking better again. I’d think all of those things would make you happy.
When you go to bed tonight, I want you to hold an image in your head.
I want you to close your eyes and imagine a young female child — six, maybe seven years old. This child is a South American migrant; she has travelled to the United States with their parents, who want a better life for their child (and maybe themselves). That child and their family reach the border, only to be arrested by ICE. They’re taken to a detention facility where, during their processing, ICE agents forcibly separate the parents from their daughter. I want you to imagine the wailing of those parents as they watch their young daughter ripped from their arms and taken away — possibly seeing her for the last time in their lives. I want you to imagine the daughter crying out for their parents, not knowing what will happen to her in the immediate future — not knowing that she may never see their parents ever again.
And then I want you to picture the smile on Donald Trump’s face as he imagines the same image. I want you to picture the smiles on the faces of people like Stephen Miller, an avowed white nationalist and one of the architects of Trump’s (racist) immigration policies. I want you to imagine the looks on the faces of Trumpians everywhere who have so few fucks to give about other people — especially the poor, and especially poor immigrants — that they hear stories about migrant families ripped apart and laugh at the misfortune and suffering.
And after you imagine all that, I want you to imagine the smile on your own face — because you voted for Donald Trump, which means you gleefully and knowingly voted for human suffering.
I want you to take, to your sleep and to your grave, the feeling of joy in your heart as you voted for the man who believed human suffering was a goal instead of a great evil.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with it. Revel in it. Enjoy it, even. But make sure everyone else knows you made that vote — because the cruel will welcome your company and the compassionate will leave you to your own devices. You will find friendship only from those who share the same delight in cruelty and hatred and misery and the causing thereof as Donald Trump.
You voted for human suffering. You voted for sociopathy. You voted for American fascism. Whatever compassion and empathy you think you deserve, you will — and should — receive none of it. Enjoy the company of the cruel, Lodos; it’s all you will ever deserve.
Oh, and one more thing: You still refused to criticize Donald Trump for anything, which proves my entire point. So…thanks for that! 😁
Now do us all a favor and fuck off to Parler.
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Hardware isn’t software.
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Ten bux says at least one vigilante out of ten will have a tattoo, car decal, or other form of paraphenalia featuring the Punisher logo.
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And whether they consider those lessons to be the correct ones.
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“Nearer”? We’re already in it. The only thing missing are the neon lights everywhere.
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Hey now, that’s no way to talk about how Jeff Bezos got his obscene wealth.
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Impact and bad execution always override good intent — every time.
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Like I keep telling them: Their vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Lodos looked at the past four years of Trumpism — the Muslim travel ban, the migrant concentration camps (with bonus family separations), the refusal to denounce white supremacy and treat it as the domestic terror threat it truly is, the mockery and scorn visited upon Black athletes who chose to protest police brutality — and decided that four-plus years of racism from a candidate-turned-officeholder wasn’t a dealbreaker. Hell, I’m sure they’ll be along soon enough to say “It WaSn’T aBoUt RaCe!!!!1!1!” and offer some ridiculous-ass defense of Trump’s words and deeds that looks only at the surface of said words and deeds instead of the full context (including the sociopolitical history of the United States and Trump’s own history of racism prior to his 2016 campaign).
Lodos isn’t a Trump supporter. They’re a Trump asskisser. Such people have no other reaction to criticism of Dear Leader but “this is a personal attack against me and I will defend both myself and my object of worship”. Any criticism of Trump — no matter how accurate, no matter how truthful, no matter how miniscule — is cause for them to take up arms (metaphorically and literally) and fight “the libs” and “the RINOs” and anyone else who dares to question the word of their perfect, unmistaken, honest-to-a-fault Dear Leader.
Notice that for all the complaining about “He DiDn’T sAy BlEaCh!!!1!”, Lodos hasn’t once criticized Trump for openly suggesting, during a live press briefing that was being broadcast to the general public, that injecting household disinfectants — including bleach — into living people was a possible method of fighting COVID-19. They haven’t once criticized Trump for…let’s see…
specifically targeting Muslims with two versions of the now-infamous Muslim travel ban
pushing for the repeal of the ACA without any sort of plan in place to replace the ACA or protect those that were able to obtain medical coverage thanks specifically to the ACA
giving the wealthy (and therefore the obscenely wealthy) a break on their already–ridiculously low taxes
signing a bill that killed the Fair Pay and Safe Workplaces regulation, an Obama-era regulation that protected workers against serious safety hazards and labor law violations in any government contract above $500,000
supporting dictators, authoritarians, and other “strongarm” leaders around the world (e.g., Kim Jong-Un, Rodrigo Duterte, Vladimir Putin) to the point of fawning over them like a hormonally crazed teenager with a high school crush, even as those leaders violated human rights in their home countries (e.g., jailing or even murdering critics) in ways Trump likely dreamed of doing
advocating for the Duterte-esque execution of drug dealers as a means of “winning” the War on Drugs in the U.S.
appointing climate change denialists into positions of power within the Environmental Protection Agency
demanding one-way loyalty of all his political appointees — including the Attorney General of the United States — to the point where any appointee found to have been putting the law/the country/literally anything else before the needs, wants, and desires of Donald Trump were either terminated from their jobs or demoted into near-worthless (and near-powerless) positions
demanding that same one-way loyalty from every part of the federal government, to the point where agencies found to have been putting the law above that “loyalty” were criticized to the point of being discredited, defunded, or “reorganized” in a way where Trump loyalists were put in power
insulting everyone who ever criticized him, everyone who was “disloyal” to him, and…well, any woman in power who didn’t (metaphorically) suck his dick — the people for whom he saved the harshest insults
threatening to shut down the federal government if he didn’t get funding for his precious border wall boondoggle
concealing the contents of his discussions with Russia’s Vladimir Putin, even from senior Trump administration officials
defending monuments to the Confederacy — a failed nation-state that seceded from and lost a war with the United States over the “state’s right” to own Black people as property and enslave them for their entire lives
pardoning convicted criminals for no reason other than political bias…and the hope that this rare showing of loyalty from Trump would be reciprocated with a show of loyalty to Trump if and when necessary
…and that’s just from a quick cursory glance at The List of Trumpian Atrocities that I’m sure even Lodos will find a way to dismiss without reading — or defend without thinking, an act with which they seem to have plenty of experience.
A vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Anyone who voted for him should be reminded of that at every opportunity. They need to live with that for the rest of their lives.
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Excellent answer. 🤣
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People with working brains and a sense of rational logic.
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Bleach isn’t.
I understood the context just fine. Maybe you’re the one too afraid to criticize Dear Leader for suggesting the idea of injecting people with bleach — oh, I’m sorry, ~disinfectants~ — as a means of fighting COVID-19.
Again: The fact that he suggested the idea is enough for his followers to take him at his word and try it themselves — which some did, much to nobody’s surprise. (A similar thing happened when Trump first suggested using hydroxychloroquine as a treatment: At least one of his followers drank chlorine because of the suggestion posed by Dear Leader.)
In this discussion, it is.
My god, a Trump supporter who (maybe) cares about Black lives. I didn’t think such a thing was pos—
…never mind.
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Tim, you say that as if Amazon execs give a damn about the low end of the corporate totem pole. I think even you know better than that. 😛
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And as pointed out in another comment, bleach was mentioned as a disinfectant that kills the COVID-19 virus (albeit on non-porous surfaces) mere moments before Trump made his remarks. Logically leaping from the generalized “disinfectants” to the more specific “bleach” isn’t the stretch you seem to think it is. And openly positing the idea isn’t asking a question, either — because Trump never once phrased his idea (say it with me, Jeopardy! fans) in the form of a question.
You’re going to incredible lengths to defend a man who suggested that poisoning people with disinfectants was a possible idea for fighting COVID-19. Maybe reconsider whether you want to die on Clorox Hill.
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And you still voted for him despite his explicitly stated desire to have government scientists look into the possibility that poisoning human beings with disinfectants.
I mean, he wouldn’t have been wrong that such an approach would’ve killed the virus. He just didn’t seem to care that it would’ve killed the host, too. What’s worse? You don’t seem to care, either.
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Considering how open Trump and his cronies were about their corruption, it wasn’t a conspiracy — it was a criminal enterprise disguised as a government administration.
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It was a broadcast-to-the-public press briefing. You’re splitting hairs so thin that they’re practically invisible.
I’m not a doctor, and even I’m not ignorant enough to seriously suggest injecting disinfectants of any kind — including bleach! — into a living human being. No one should need a doctorate in human biology to know “bleach in body = bad”. I mean…just…fuckin’ hell, son, did your parents not keep the cleaning chemicals out of your reach or teach you that they weren’t for drinking?
Prove it.
He heavily implied that injecting disinfectants into human bodies was a possible method — and remember, even you said “possible” earlier! — of fighting COVID-19. Again, mob boss mentality: If he has an idea, so long as he expresses the idea, one of his followers is likely to act upon that regardless of whether the expressed idea lacks an explicit direction. Trump didn’t need to say “inject bleach” — his followers heard him raise the idea of “inject disinfectants to fight COVID” and some of them acted accordingly.
FYI: “Bleach” is shorthand for “disinfectants” in this specific discussion. And just so you know, in the moments leading up to Trump’s comments, Bill Bryan — then the head of Science and Technology Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security — said the following when mentioning which disinfectants scientists were testing for efficacy in killing the COVID-19 virus on non-porous surfaces: “We’ve tested bleach[.]” He followed that up with this: “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes[.]” Given that context and the comments Trump made, saying “Trump suggested that people could inject bleach into their bodies to fight the virus” isn’t entirely accurate — but it’s closer to the truth than I’m sure you’re willing to admit.
Yes, I’m sure you’re indifferent to any human suffering that doesn’t directly affect you. I’d bet money on you thinking Derek Chauvin should be a free man right now, but I don’t do sucker bets.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with that for the rest of your life.
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I posted the whole goddamn sentence and then some. I didn’t ignore it; you’re ignoring both context and the idea of suggestibility.
Except he did — in his usual mob boss fashion. Take a look at his full remark about disinfectants:
The implication is clear: He wants people — scientists or doctors, sure, but anyone will do in a pinch — to try injecting disinfectants into human bloodstreams as a method of fighting COVID-19. He didn’t have to tell his followers to try it; they would pick up on his wishes and do it anyway. (Which they did.) He didn’t have to say “bleach” himself; the context of the entire conversation around that point and the mention of disinfectants did that heavy lifting for him.
Even if he didn’t explicitly say “I want you to inject yourself with bleach”, his implications were clear to the American public. He didn’t need to say it explicitly. His followers obviously knew what he meant. That he seriously suggested, in a public press briefing, the idea of injecting disinfectants into living human beings as a means of fighting COVID makes him an irresponsible buffoon who is indifferent to human suffering at best.
The fact that a higher number of calls than typical for that period of the year occured in the days after Trump suggested injecting disinfectants is at least one data point in favor of the idea that people took him seriously.
That you know of.
Anyone who suggested people could inject themselves with disinfectants to fight COVID during a public press briefing is an even bigger idiot.
I listened to the soundbite. I read the transcript. Unlike you, I can understand the nuance of implications — i.e., I can read between the lines.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with that for the rest of your life.
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At least you’d be posting stuff from more credible sources than [checks notes] townhall.com or [checks notes again] your ass.
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Wearing no mask at all does nothing to protect anyone.
But it does exist to help care for the populace in times of national distress. A pandemic sure as shit qualifies for that.
No, it wouldn’t have. By the time anyone thought to cut off travel from China, the virus had already spread to other places. Cutting off China but letting everyone else in would’ve only delayed the inevitable. The only viable solution would’ve been to go Full Madagascar (“Shut. Down. EVERYTHING.”) and prevent anyone from coming into the country in any context — even if they were American citizens.
“Trump hatred” didn’t delay a decision. Trump being a callous sociopath who thought the virus would simply “go away” delayed any and all decisions he made concerning the pandemic…except maybe the one where he had his name put on the first two COVID stimulus checks.
Via Wikipedia: “From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3 - 89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086 - 402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868 - 18,306) in the United States due to the virus.” That looks like a far less severe pandemic compared to COVID-19, so maybe the playbook worked better than you think it did.
Unlike you (and Republicans), I don’t need a personal loss to stimulate my sense of empathy/sympathy for others.
Discussion about which masks work better is largely irrelevant. If the average person can get their hands on the proper masks, great — but if they can’t, any other mask that offers even some protection is still better than no mask at all. And yes, wearing a mask is about protecting others — I don’t know how thinking of the well-being of others and inconveniencing yourself for the sake of public health became a controversial position that requires, say, armed protests in state capitols.
Yes, we would have — because Republicans have taught their voter base to distrust science and facts and thinking of others in favor of trusting fear and superstition and thinking only of one’s self.
But the federal government does have a job in such situations: to work with all the states on finding a unified approach to handling the situation — or at least a unified set of facts and scientific recommendations to work with.
Still better than what we had before it.
That…that means he was advocating for the repeal of the ACA. The failure of his administration (and the GOP in general) to produce a replacement plan is irrelevant to his pushing both Congress and the Supreme Court for a complete repeal of the Affordable Care Act.
For starters, acknowledging that queer people exist as something other than a political tool — Trump didn’t even recognize Pride Month for the first two years of his presidency. Old 45 also rolled back Obama-era healthcare protections for transgender patients.
Trump didn’t denounce the theory when Barack Obama presented his long-form birth certificate. Trump finally denounced the theory in 2016 — five years after he initially plugged the theory into the public consciousness — and never once apologized for making all of those false and baseless claims. (He also never admitted to being wrong about the theory.)
Again, note the context of his comments. Also: Like a mob boss, he doesn’t need to exhort his followers directly — he needs only to make a suggestion that, say, maybe diving off a cliff could cure COVID. Then he can sit back and watch every one of his precious lemmings fall off a cliff.
His comments were part of a press briefing that was transmitted to public airwaves. Whether he directed them at an advisor, a journalist, or some schmuck in Nebraska named Jimmy Rocksalt is largely irrelevant to the fact that he said them in the context of discussing how sunlight and disinfectants (e.g., bleach) affect the COVID-19 virus.
Granted, I don’t have facts on this one. But I do have a strong feeling based on literally everything else he did as president. He didn’t give a damn about protecting the marginalized — he proved that when he separated migrant families. He didn’t give a damn about helping the economically disadvantaged — he proved that when he lowered tax rates for the wealthy. He didn’t give a damn about doing anything for anyone but those who would/could support him — he proved that when he threatened to withhold financial support from “blue” states and threatened to send the military into “blue” cities to quell riots (ostensibly with violence).
Then your assertion was bullshit and you should say as much.
Which ban — the one on Chinese people or the one on Muslims? Trump didn’t exactly limit his racist bullshit while he was in office, you know.
The measure mentioned in your (obviously partisan) link is dated on the 20th of October 2020. I looked up that exact date and anything related to COVID relief measures, and look what popped up:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-stimulus-delayed-pelosi/
“[A] closer look at the stimulus negotiations showed a more complex debate. It was not just Pelosi with whom the White House needed reconciliation to pass COVID-19 economic relief in fall 2020 as the president alleged.” Turns out, Republicans weren’t exactly enamored with the amount of spending in the more comprehensive relief bill that was floating around at that time.
Two things.
Blame the Chinese government for not being more forthcoming about the virus, not the Chinese people. A whole-ass billion people didn’t wake up and decide one day to fuck with the rest of the world to the tune of millions of otherwise preventable deaths.
And even if — and that’s a big “if”, lemme tell ya — China did somehow unleash this virus upon the world, Donald Trump still refused to take the pandemic seriously until it got so bad that not even he could deny the truth any longer. To this day, even with a half-million Americans dead, he probably still believes COVID is no worse than the average flu and will disappear “shortly”.
Your vote for Donald Trump was a vote for human suffering. Live with that for the rest of your life.
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Everyone else can pick your other bullshit apart, but I want to focus on one thing:
Now, can you spot the mistake you’ve made?
I’ll give you a second to figure it out. Feel free to Google “Masterpiece Cakeshop” if you need a hint.
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…okay, time’s up! Your mistake was your entire assertion.
Masterpiece Cakeshop lost the anti-discrimination lawsuit filed against it at every level but the Supreme Court on the merits. (SCOTUS kicked it back on a technicality while refusing to rule on the merits, the cowards.) In that case, the cakeshop refused to sell even a basic wedding cake — an item offered to the general public — to a gay couple. The would-be customers never got as far as saying how they wanted the cake decorated because they were never able to purchase a wedding cake in the first place.
When a business opens its doors to the public, it must offer to all customers equal access to the same “menu” (e.g., services, items). That business doesn’t get to decide who makes up “the public”. It has to operate under all applicable laws — including non-discrimination ordinances. For example: A public-facing meat shop can’t offer kosher meat only to Jewish customers. That said, the meat shop is under no obligation to sell kosher meat even if a Jewish customer asks for it.
Your mistake — which is the same mistake every anti-queer bigot makes when talking about the Masterpiece case — was believing the courts forced the bakery to both bake a cake for the would-be customers and decorate said cake per the wishes of that couple. At no point in the case did any court force Masterpiece to decorate a wedding cake with pro-gay messaging. At no point in the case did any court force Masterpiece to bake a wedding cake for a gay customer. (And the bakery voluntarily stopped selling wedding cakes to avoid running afoul of the law again.) Your entire assertion rests on a lie spread by bigots who want paint queer people as Rainbow Fascists who are using the law to force Christian Americans — the most oppressed majority in the history of the world~! — into showing support for queer people. That you’ve bought into the lie is…telling.
No one can compel a bakery, a T-shirt printer, or any other business to print speech with which that business doesn’t want to associate — regardless of the political leanings of the business or the would-be customer. I wouldn’t want an anti-gay baker forced to make a cake with pro-gay messaging any more than I would want a pro-gay baker forced to make a cake with anti-gay messaging.
This has been an educational moment for you. Learn something from it.
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