"Oh, and the "don't have kids" part? No, I don't. And that doesn't matter."
Let me tell you something Marcus. When ppl used to tell me that oh I love my kid so much you will never understand how they effect you, its so wonderful. I used to think yeah right buttmunch. Having my little girl I found out, much to my dismay, its all true. Now I know for a fact as a guy without children, you are saying to yourself yeah WNH you are full of shit, and 3 years ago I would have been right there with you. I hope you get to understand one day.
And that doesn't matter? Matters more than you can understand right now.
"That's just it. It has been looked into extensively for more than a decade and nobody has been able to produce any data the even correlates autism and vaccinations."
Not looking to prove that result. I personally believe that there is another trigger.
"We've done the research. There is no connection. Lets put that money into research that might actually be of benefit to people with autism instead of wasting millions (billions?) of dollars on a dead end." - Absolutely agree.
"I'm afraid you clearly don't understand epidemiology, statistics or the scientific method."
Wow you gathered that from one paragraph. Ladies and gentleman meet the new Amazing Kreskin.
"That's not a simple solution, it's a massive administrative gamble."
"Making sure that kids of all ages and economic statuses get properly vaccinated against these deadly diseases is not easy or cheap, and combining the vaccines has made it much more feasible."
Again 2 more?
"Making sure that kids of all ages and economic statuses get properly vaccinated" - What does that have to do with spit? That is a condition that exists if there were 1 vaccine or 20. You just like to try and sound smart.(not working)
"What makes you think you can diagnose it at a glance?"
In another child? Not likely without spending time with the child pre issue.
My own child. Here for you too:
what would you call it when one moment you kid is laughing playing learning to speak, read, and sings songs, then the next day all they do is stare off into space, and fear your touch wont talk, etc? What would YOU call it? Would YOU notice it with a child you spent 2+ years with? Dont have kids do you?
Paul that right there tells me you have never been in contact with an autistic child or family. Maybe dullard was not the right choice of words. So what would you call it when one moment you kid is laughing playing learning to speak, read, and sings songs, then the next day all they do is stare off into space, and fear your touch wont talk, etc? What would YOU call it?
"A Spinal Surgeon also might have no interest in arguing a topic with someone who isn't likely to listen."
Yeah that may be the case with J.Q. public, but this person I have known all my life, our families have been close for generations.
I'm not saying he said there was a link, but he also felt not like taking the risk with his child.
"But it goes without saying that this Spinal Surgeon is smarter than I am."
I dunno, don't think there is anything he learned that we couldn't without hundred of thousands of dollars and 10+ years of school.
"The definition of autism was changed to include more people."
I dont think it was changed to include more ppl, the signs were broadened to include things that weren't previously looked at.
"there is absolutely no evidence connecting autism to the MMR vaccine"
Just the hundreds of parents that noticed their children becoming dullards after the MMR. All of the ppl in my life noticed the same. Seems to be a pattern. Now with all this shit even if it is, it will never be looked into.
"it needs to include a review of the way autism is determined" - Absolutely.
There is a simple solution. Just give the MMR in three separate shots. If the Autism cases go down, given current standards for determining it do not change, then there's your answer. Simple right? Big pharma would look like the good guys, and they could make more money from it.
Win win right?
Ahhh but just imagine the law suits that would follow.
"there is absolutely no evidence connecting autism to the MMR vaccine"
Just the hundreds of parents that noticed their children becoming dullards after the MMR. All of the ppl in my life noticed the same. Seems to be a pattern. Now with all this shit even if it is, it will never be looked into.
"it needs to include a review of the way autism is determined" - Absolutely.
There is a simple solution. Just give the MMR in three separate shots. If the Autism cases go down, given current standards for determining it do not change, then there's your answer. Simple right? Big pharma would look like the good guys, and they could make more money from it.
Win win right?
Ahhh but just imagine the law suits that would follow.
"There is no way to notice Autism that quickly after a shot without tests."
You OBVIOUSLY DONT have children. When you notice a bright alert child turned in to a dullard, yeah you notice.
"Yeah.. What's your point? If there are 2 links for bad and 1 for good, it's proof that it is bad?"
No, but it is proof these vaccines have negative effects in a small part of the population, and CDC knows this.
"Why would they do that there?" Separation of the MMR would be a win win for big pharma.
1.) More profit could be had as you could charge more for the three than just one.
2.) I am the consumer. If demand is there then supply it.
"He/She is top notch in my book."
Your book sucks.
Penn & teller? Haaaaaaa. OK.
Judging by your comment you are in no position to assess someones id.
All of the ppl I now know with Autistic children, which totals 17 including my cousin, they all noticed it hours after the MMR shot.
After my daughter was born I was concerned as any good parent should and went to the CDC to do research. There were three main links on the homepage at the time. The 1st link was an article about the wonders of vaccines, and the two that followed... links on how to report adverse effects from vaccines... yeah.
So I asked my doctor if we could get the MMR in three different shots. Well she looked at my wife and I like we had three heads, and said like I was some kind of A-hole, no we dont do that here. Well B, I dont spend money here anymore.
More research needs to be done to find the cause in the astronomical increase in Autism cases, and now no one will touch it. Yeah that's the answer.
In addition one of my friends is a well known spinal surgeon and he also did not give his children the MMR shot.
"wow, that was agressive, and sort of wrong." - Never been the hold your hand and tell you its ok kind of guy. No really read your post and think.(Constructive criticism, not a cut)
"For people like you and I who are more technically inclined, we can see the errors."
You dont expect a judge to notice them? C'mon man. Really? He noticed, or just rubber stamped it, and if he read and missed them, he should step down, period.
"Proper oversight is the judge who issued the warrant."
If he was doing the job correctly, the errors would have been mentioned, changed, then brought back. All would have been legit, and we would not be having this exchange. The warrant appears to have been rubber stamped.
More of the good ole boys club. http://www.psdgraphics.com/file/red-approved.gif
"Unless of course you are suggesting"
Never suggested any of that, and leave my tin foil hat out of this.
"They probably came across the one sided hatchet job"
(Link needed)
"I have no doubt that the people running the press office had a quick look at the site"
I have no doubt they looked at the site and realized this community would see through the BS propaganda they are pushing, and would call them out on every lie.
If you had a solid case, you would not want "minor errors" causing your case to get thrown out; Correct? So this indicates to me that 1) DHS had a bonehead write this up, and f'ed up royally 2) Had a judge that would pretty much sign anything handed to them by DHS. Both conditions are a disservice to the American people.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement + other duties as follows. Nice.
"because no matter what they said, it would be nitpicked to pieces." Yeah they knew TD, and its community wouldnt buy their bullshit without higher scrutiny than the lapdog MSM. They just want someone to regurgitate what is told to them without a thought. Thats what Faux and CNN are for.
"I don't think anyone involved wants to make this a case about minor errors in a document"
No you dont think. Minor errors? O'KAY...
"rather they want it to be about the overall concept"
What? The concept of seizing property without proper oversight, or following current laws?
So, as a written work, this should fall under federal copyright law.
That is if its intention was to be published as a written work. I dont believe that Oskar Schindler had that intention. Nor do I believe he would have approved of these actions by misguided individuals.
it's yet another example of how people have been trained... indeed.
Sit Ubu sit. Thats a good dog.
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Let me tell you something Marcus. When ppl used to tell me that oh I love my kid so much you will never understand how they effect you, its so wonderful. I used to think yeah right buttmunch. Having my little girl I found out, much to my dismay, its all true. Now I know for a fact as a guy without children, you are saying to yourself yeah WNH you are full of shit, and 3 years ago I would have been right there with you. I hope you get to understand one day.
And that doesn't matter? Matters more than you can understand right now.
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Not looking to prove that result. I personally believe that there is another trigger.
"We've done the research. There is no connection. Lets put that money into research that might actually be of benefit to people with autism instead of wasting millions (billions?) of dollars on a dead end." - Absolutely agree.
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anti-vaccination nutjobs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfwdb9UvUag
Was it nuts to have live h1n1 shipped in vaccines?
"and I will not apologize for calling you or anyone else that" I know internet tough guy. Things would be much different if we were face to face.
"claim that "big pharma" is suppressing their views for monetary reasons."
Never heard that.
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Wow you gathered that from one paragraph. Ladies and gentleman meet the new Amazing Kreskin.
"That's not a simple solution, it's a massive administrative gamble."
Straws are coming out. Thats utter BS.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2010/10_0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf
11 vaccinations by the 4-6 range, and 2 more is an administrative nightmare? Yeah OK buddy.
"Making sure that kids of all ages and economic statuses get properly vaccinated against these deadly diseases is not easy or cheap, and combining the vaccines has made it much more feasible."
Again 2 more?
"Making sure that kids of all ages and economic statuses get properly vaccinated" - What does that have to do with spit? That is a condition that exists if there were 1 vaccine or 20. You just like to try and sound smart.(not working)
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In another child? Not likely without spending time with the child pre issue.
My own child. Here for you too:
what would you call it when one moment you kid is laughing playing learning to speak, read, and sings songs, then the next day all they do is stare off into space, and fear your touch wont talk, etc? What would YOU call it? Would YOU notice it with a child you spent 2+ years with? Dont have kids do you?
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Yeah that may be the case with J.Q. public, but this person I have known all my life, our families have been close for generations.
I'm not saying he said there was a link, but he also felt not like taking the risk with his child.
"But it goes without saying that this Spinal Surgeon is smarter than I am."
I dunno, don't think there is anything he learned that we couldn't without hundred of thousands of dollars and 10+ years of school.
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Wow in the 3 years I have been reading about this I never heard that. Wow ya know what, I was wrong the whole time. (He he he NOT.)
Thanks anyway?
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"The definition of autism was changed to include more people."
I dont think it was changed to include more ppl, the signs were broadened to include things that weren't previously looked at.
http://www.autism-pdd.net/checklist.html
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/understanding-aut ism-symptoms
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Just the hundreds of parents that noticed their children becoming dullards after the MMR. All of the ppl in my life noticed the same. Seems to be a pattern. Now with all this shit even if it is, it will never be looked into.
"it needs to include a review of the way autism is determined" - Absolutely.
There is a simple solution. Just give the MMR in three separate shots. If the Autism cases go down, given current standards for determining it do not change, then there's your answer. Simple right? Big pharma would look like the good guys, and they could make more money from it.
Win win right?
Ahhh but just imagine the law suits that would follow.
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Just the hundreds of parents that noticed their children becoming dullards after the MMR. All of the ppl in my life noticed the same. Seems to be a pattern. Now with all this shit even if it is, it will never be looked into.
"it needs to include a review of the way autism is determined" - Absolutely.
There is a simple solution. Just give the MMR in three separate shots. If the Autism cases go down, given current standards for determining it do not change, then there's your answer. Simple right? Big pharma would look like the good guys, and they could make more money from it.
Win win right?
Ahhh but just imagine the law suits that would follow.
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You OBVIOUSLY DONT have children. When you notice a bright alert child turned in to a dullard, yeah you notice.
"Yeah.. What's your point? If there are 2 links for bad and 1 for good, it's proof that it is bad?"
No, but it is proof these vaccines have negative effects in a small part of the population, and CDC knows this.
"Why would they do that there?" Separation of the MMR would be a win win for big pharma.
1.) More profit could be had as you could charge more for the three than just one.
2.) I am the consumer. If demand is there then supply it.
"He/She is top notch in my book."
Your book sucks.
Penn & teller? Haaaaaaa. OK.
Judging by your comment you are in no position to assess someones id.
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After my daughter was born I was concerned as any good parent should and went to the CDC to do research. There were three main links on the homepage at the time. The 1st link was an article about the wonders of vaccines, and the two that followed... links on how to report adverse effects from vaccines... yeah.
So I asked my doctor if we could get the MMR in three different shots. Well she looked at my wife and I like we had three heads, and said like I was some kind of A-hole, no we dont do that here. Well B, I dont spend money here anymore.
More research needs to be done to find the cause in the astronomical increase in Autism cases, and now no one will touch it. Yeah that's the answer.
In addition one of my friends is a well known spinal surgeon and he also did not give his children the MMR shot.
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"For people like you and I who are more technically inclined, we can see the errors."
You dont expect a judge to notice them? C'mon man. Really? He noticed, or just rubber stamped it, and if he read and missed them, he should step down, period.
"Proper oversight is the judge who issued the warrant."
If he was doing the job correctly, the errors would have been mentioned, changed, then brought back. All would have been legit, and we would not be having this exchange. The warrant appears to have been rubber stamped.
More of the good ole boys club.
http://www.psdgraphics.com/file/red-approved.gif
"Unless of course you are suggesting"
Never suggested any of that, and leave my tin foil hat out of this.
"They probably came across the one sided hatchet job"
(Link needed)
"I have no doubt that the people running the press office had a quick look at the site"
I have no doubt they looked at the site and realized this community would see through the BS propaganda they are pushing, and would call them out on every lie.
If you had a solid case, you would not want "minor errors" causing your case to get thrown out; Correct? So this indicates to me that 1) DHS had a bonehead write this up, and f'ed up royally 2) Had a judge that would pretty much sign anything handed to them by DHS. Both conditions are a disservice to the American people.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement + other duties as follows. Nice.
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"I don't think anyone involved wants to make this a case about minor errors in a document"
No you dont think. Minor errors? O'KAY...
"rather they want it to be about the overall concept"
What? The concept of seizing property without proper oversight, or following current laws?
Read your comment again and reflect.
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PT1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuvGEdR0THc
PT2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHtOquNXJng
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That is if its intention was to be published as a written work. I dont believe that Oskar Schindler had that intention. Nor do I believe he would have approved of these actions by misguided individuals.
it's yet another example of how people have been trained... indeed.
Sit Ubu sit. Thats a good dog.
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