Breaking into a house is illegal. It's called "burglary". Attempting but failing, to break into a house is illegal. It's called "attempted burglary".
Same thing with child porn. Viewing child porn is illegal, as your computer has to download it from the web server to display it on your screen (even if you don't save it to the harddrive). And of course this downloading fits the crime "receiving child pornography". If you try to get to a child porn website, but instead end up on an FBI sting-operation fake child porn site, you still attempted to do the above mentioned crime. Therefore the crime you will be charged with in this case is "attempted receiving child pornography".
There is a "wanted" poster in place. That's what you seem to be missing. The "wanted" poster is in this case, not for a specific person, but rather for any computer that has child porn on it. This is no different than a bounty hunter. This is just the modern day version of a bounty hunter, because it involves computers, technology that never used to exist in the old days.
The only CP pic, but their could have been other pics. He could have just checked a few files after doing a recovery, and just happened to run across this pic.
Actually it is. The definition of hacking (under the law) is to gain accesses to a computer system without permission of, or against the will of, that computer system's owner.
A virus won't cache or delete anything. If a virus plants CP on your computer, it's going to be in plain view, though in some folder that you aren't likely to look in (like windows\system32 folder), so you won't be able to find it and remove it, unless you knew to look there for it.
The fact that it's deleted suggests that it was something well known about by the computer owner, and that they deleted it to hide the evidence.
Those guys aren't FBI employees. They are ordinary citizens who are seeking a reward for catching badguys. They are bounty hunters. It's perfectly legal.
Why are you trying to give advice to pedophiles for how to better hide their child porn? They may already know the technique you described, but why try to aid those who don't know by telling them? Are you a pedophile, or a pedo sympathizer?
The reason this worked, is because in our society we regard pedophiles as the worst of the worst. Worse than murderers. Worse than Satan himself. And even if an action would be illegal for the FBI to take, in perusing any other kind of case (robbery, arson, even murder) the FBI will be allowed to get away with it in the cases involving pedophiles. And I completely agree. Our country's future, and indeed humanity's future, lies with our children. Yet children are the most vulnerable members of society. As such they deserve to be protected more than anybody else, and those who would harm children deserve to be punished more strongly than anybody else. There should be no hindered in finding and arresting pedophiles. The FBI should be allowed to do WHATEVER it needs to do, in order to collect the evidence it needs to effectively prosecute pedophiles. And I do agree that many of the techniques that they should be permitted to use when going after pedophiles, they should NOT be permitted to use in ANY other kind of case they may be working on (simply due to how powerful and unconstitutional some of those techniques might be). However, the constitution should NOT be permitted to hinder the FBI when it comes catching and prosecuting pedophiles.
So they distributed CP in other countries. But the act of actually acquiring the images actually required pedos to visit the FBI's pedo site. So it required an explicit act from the pedo to download the stuff. It wasn't like the FBI planted child porn on the pedo's computer.
Why let the pedophiles walk? Wasn't this exactly what the NIT tool was made for? They say they can't reveal it because it must be left secret for later use on other (and presumably even worse) criminals? But wait, aren't pedophiles the WORST OF THE WORST?! If you aren't willing to show all your cards now, in order to secure a conviction of these sick pedos, and are instead going to save that for use on someone else, who is that someone else? Who do they think are worse than PEDOPHILES?
A person who is a genuine pedophile, is going to delete their pictures. Finding a deleted picture is not proof of innocence, but rather proof that they committed a crime, KNEW that it was a crime, and tried to COVER UP the crime. If it's in slack space that makes them even MORE guilty. If a virus downloaded a CP image to your computer, you wouldn't know about it, and it would remain in a normal (not deleted) state on your harddrive. The fact that it's even deleted means the person knew the picture existed on their harddrive, and they deleted it, which is highly indicative of them having intentionally put it on their harddrive in the first place.
Maybe so, but in your comment I was replying to, it stipulated that the person you were talking about had images they believed to be illegal, even though they weren't illegal images. The conduct of the person you are describing is clearly criminal conduct, because they intentionally came into possession of something that they believed was illegal, and just by chance the material wasn't illegal. That's an "attempt" crime, like "attempted murder". The person clearly was trying to violate the law, and would violated the law if they had the chance, but just by accident they failed to commit the crime. Thus they actually ARE guilty under the "criminal attempt" laws.
If (as you said) the people in question had no idea that it wasn't porn, then that means they thought it was porn. And if the images they thought were porn were of children then that means they knowingly and intentionally were in possession of images that they believed were CHILD porn. In other words, they intentionally were performing actions that they believed were illegal, and only by chance did those actions happen to not be illegal. These people you are defending clearly had the INTENT to commit a crime, and attempted to commit a crime, believing fully that their actions were illegal.
Even if the pictures that these people had were technically not CP, it does not make these people's ACTIONS any less criminal.
Big difference between FBI agents (hired employees) and some guy who sees a wanted poster, so they personally set out to find the bad guy, and notify the FBI when they find him. Claiming your reward money, is different than being a hired employee. This is just the digital version of a bounty hunter. It's 100% legal.
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Attempting but failing, to break into a house is illegal. It's called "attempted burglary".
Same thing with child porn.
Viewing child porn is illegal, as your computer has to download it from the web server to display it on your screen (even if you don't save it to the harddrive). And of course this downloading fits the crime "receiving child pornography".
If you try to get to a child porn website, but instead end up on an FBI sting-operation fake child porn site, you still attempted to do the above mentioned crime. Therefore the crime you will be charged with in this case is "attempted receiving child pornography".
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The fact that it's deleted suggests that it was something well known about by the computer owner, and that they deleted it to hide the evidence.
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Even if the pictures that these people had were technically not CP, it does not make these people's ACTIONS any less criminal.
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