I don't really mind all this fracturing of the internet. I wish it wouldn't, but on the other hand the more silos are created on the internet, the more demand for a global underground internet will crop up. All those 80's hacker movies might become reality and that's kinda cool in its own way.
When I say “biggest offenders”, I mean people like these who by all measures of human decency should’ve been given the fucking boot from most major platforms years ago
Yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man.
You seem to want to try and finagle the discussion about straightforward concepts like "We should ban the Nazis and flagrantly bigoted/fascist assholes" in a way that it becomes about these huge moral quandaries when it’s not. It’s just... fuckin’ not.
Except that it literally fuckin' is. In the above example just swap out breastfeeding mothers with skinheads with swastikas - then wonder about all the bald biker dudes who are trying to take back a symbol of peace. Your opinions on what is offensive is not necessarily shared with everyone else and your lack of awareness on this shows you haven't put much thought into it.
The entire point of this post, and the podcast it is about is that these things aren't as clear cut as many people, including you, want them to be.
And the sad part is Ajit Pai will look at his maps provided by Charter and see all the beautiful competition Charter is talking about and then agree that the restrictions no longer need to apply.
First of all I'd like to thank you for post, I hope you stick around. You've gone into a lot of different thoughts here that I'd love to go into, but I'll stay with just a couple of things for now.
Let me ask a question. Do any of you personally know any extremists?
Unfortunately yes. I can tell you it is not easy to discuss policy with them, and often not worth the effort. I also know extreme left-wingers as well, but they don't have nearly the same volume as the extremists on the right.
Until we can admit that CNN and FOX both have an agenda, and that agenda is to SELL news, then there's no way forward for us.
And this is the rub. Extremist right-wingers take the views of prominent republicans and sources like Fox news as gospel. If we could actually talk about policy without devolving into a state of "you disagree with me therefore you are wrong and not worth speaking to" there wouldn't be nearly as much toxicity around.
What I don't get is why do so many people, and especially lawmakers have such a lack of knowledge about the history of Section 230. All these proposals aim to change the law to be exactly what it was written to prevent. It's like they all heard about Stratton v. Prodigy and thought it sounded great.
Seeing the occasional comment with which you disagree will not destroy the internet.
This is the most dishonest line I've seen you write. You cannot, with your prolific commenting here, feign ignorance about what Section 230 enables on the internet. It is what allows competitors to Twitter like Parler to exist. Suits like Stratton vs Prodigy demonstrate that. Just because you want to see a certain opinion on Twitter doesn't mean that others should lose their voice everywhere. And enough with this "censorship" routine, its bullshit and by now you know that.
The bottom line is that if you ever get your wish regarding Section 230, you will quickly lose your ability to brag about it online.
You seem to be assuming that people always get caught when they game the system, which is ridiculous. How long was Prenda operating before it got sorted? A well crafted bill would weigh the consequences against it's purpose. Better bills than this have had a ton of terrible unforeseen consequences crop up after the fact. This one has terrible consequences we already know about, and to suggest we just ignore those because people aren't supposed to abuse it is naive at best. If this bill was addressing some huge problem and was going to do a ton of good then these consequences might be worth it, but that is not the case here.
Just because people shouldn't abuse the system doesn't mean they won't. The real world is messy and laws should be crafted with that messy world in mind. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all.
As has been pointed out numerous times before, but you do realize that the ability for people and their businesses to control their own speech and with who to associate themselves with does not actually come from Section 230 right?
Please tell me what kind of reform would not violate the 1st Amendment?
Even if we were to assume this silly hypothetical "contract", this brings up yet another problem with this whole political bias on social media thing: evidence.
There has yet to be any actual evidence of bias against any political view. There looks to be good evidence of an anti-asshole and anti-racist bias but so far nothing for anti-conservative views.
Maybe we can replace civil asset forfeiture with asset recover fund. They get a percentage of what is recovered. Of course we'll need to make sure they can't just steal things themselves to later recover them from "anonymous" tips.
There is a difference between a malicious authorized user and a complete lack of security.
There was no compartmentalization of tech exploits, no prevention of sharing of administration-level passwords, and no controls placed on use of removable media. There was also no monitoring of this network
There is no excuse for this level of apathy, especially for the CIA.
A private company decided they didn't want their content showing up next to another type of content on a specific page, and informed their partner that they would not be posting content to that page so long as the other content was still there.
You are saying a company shouldn't be able to control how their own content is used?
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I don't really mind all this fracturing of the internet. I wish it wouldn't, but on the other hand the more silos are created on the internet, the more demand for a global underground internet will crop up. All those 80's hacker movies might become reality and that's kinda cool in its own way.
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Yeah, well that's just like, your opinion, man.
Except that it literally fuckin' is. In the above example just swap out breastfeeding mothers with skinheads with swastikas - then wonder about all the bald biker dudes who are trying to take back a symbol of peace. Your opinions on what is offensive is not necessarily shared with everyone else and your lack of awareness on this shows you haven't put much thought into it.
The entire point of this post, and the podcast it is about is that these things aren't as clear cut as many people, including you, want them to be.
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Words
Ah, but it also has code in it and we all know what happens with IP people hear anything computer related.
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And the sad part is Ajit Pai will look at his maps provided by Charter and see all the beautiful competition Charter is talking about and then agree that the restrictions no longer need to apply.
Another day, another dose of public corruption.
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Re: Trying times
First of all I'd like to thank you for post, I hope you stick around. You've gone into a lot of different thoughts here that I'd love to go into, but I'll stay with just a couple of things for now.
Unfortunately yes. I can tell you it is not easy to discuss policy with them, and often not worth the effort. I also know extreme left-wingers as well, but they don't have nearly the same volume as the extremists on the right.
And this is the rub. Extremist right-wingers take the views of prominent republicans and sources like Fox news as gospel. If we could actually talk about policy without devolving into a state of "you disagree with me therefore you are wrong and not worth speaking to" there wouldn't be nearly as much toxicity around.
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Re: Re: Isn't That Why They Left Twitter
Which is of course different from Parler. Parler would never ban someone for sharing an opinion it doesn't agree with.
Oh wait.
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Just because you agree with the politics of the content does not make it true.
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MAGA?
What I don't get is why do so many people, and especially lawmakers have such a lack of knowledge about the history of Section 230. All these proposals aim to change the law to be exactly what it was written to prevent. It's like they all heard about Stratton v. Prodigy and thought it sounded great.
On the post: Another Day, Another Bad Bill To Reform Section 230 That Will Do More Harm Than Good
Re: Re: Re: Re:
This is the most dishonest line I've seen you write. You cannot, with your prolific commenting here, feign ignorance about what Section 230 enables on the internet. It is what allows competitors to Twitter like Parler to exist. Suits like Stratton vs Prodigy demonstrate that. Just because you want to see a certain opinion on Twitter doesn't mean that others should lose their voice everywhere. And enough with this "censorship" routine, its bullshit and by now you know that.
The bottom line is that if you ever get your wish regarding Section 230, you will quickly lose your ability to brag about it online.
On the post: Another Day, Another Bad Bill To Reform Section 230 That Will Do More Harm Than Good
Re: Re: Re:
You seem to be assuming that people always get caught when they game the system, which is ridiculous. How long was Prenda operating before it got sorted? A well crafted bill would weigh the consequences against it's purpose. Better bills than this have had a ton of terrible unforeseen consequences crop up after the fact. This one has terrible consequences we already know about, and to suggest we just ignore those because people aren't supposed to abuse it is naive at best. If this bill was addressing some huge problem and was going to do a ton of good then these consequences might be worth it, but that is not the case here.
On the post: Another Day, Another Bad Bill To Reform Section 230 That Will Do More Harm Than Good
Re:
Just because people shouldn't abuse the system doesn't mean they won't. The real world is messy and laws should be crafted with that messy world in mind. The road to hell is paved with good intentions after all.
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Re: Vouch
Telecom executives being held accountable? In our dreams maybe.
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Re: Re:
As has been pointed out numerous times before, but you do realize that the ability for people and their businesses to control their own speech and with who to associate themselves with does not actually come from Section 230 right?
Please tell me what kind of reform would not violate the 1st Amendment?
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Re: Re:
Even if we were to assume this silly hypothetical "contract", this brings up yet another problem with this whole political bias on social media thing: evidence.
There has yet to be any actual evidence of bias against any political view. There looks to be good evidence of an anti-asshole and anti-racist bias but so far nothing for anti-conservative views.
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Enhance!
Maybe we can replace civil asset forfeiture with asset recover fund. They get a percentage of what is recovered. Of course we'll need to make sure they can't just steal things themselves to later recover them from "anonymous" tips.
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Re:
As a Native American, you are all immigrants.
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Re: CIA's Hacking Unit
There is a difference between a malicious authorized user and a complete lack of security.
There is no excuse for this level of apathy, especially for the CIA.
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Re: Simple Solution?
I think the problem is that that kind of TOS is more or less the current situation, and they don't like it.
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Re: Really?
A private company decided they didn't want their content showing up next to another type of content on a specific page, and informed their partner that they would not be posting content to that page so long as the other content was still there.
You are saying a company shouldn't be able to control how their own content is used?
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Oh I would love to watch that.
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