Thats the problem. The conservatives are supposed to be the ones protecting us from this kind of bullshit, not pushing it.
The democrats are spineless and the republicans are utterly disingenuous
And none of that changes what I said.
Re: 'We support speech, specifically only OUR speech.'
To be honest.. The only thing they really stand for is keeping non republicans from having influence at any cost..
Pretending earned success by tech companies is somehow worse than companies that use lobbying as their main revenue tool,
Pretending companies shouldn't be able to make their own decisions about whether it's good or bad for the company to become involved in politics but only when the company disagrees with them,
Pretending there is a problem with illegitimate votes in the hopes of keeping power with ever shrinking support from the people
All that crap is pretend, no honestly one believes any of that crap. They aren't even trying for a real platform anymore, their platform just boils to "it's us or them"
A public property is one owned by the gov't.. It's not effectively a public property until after the republicans in their everlasting disrespect for private property effectively expropriate it, then it will be "effectively a public property"
Hey, this forum sucks, it's is full of asshole trolls.. I wanted a platform where only I was allowed to be an asshole troll and everyone else was forced to be civil and put up with it
There aren't any words that people don't get upset about for copyright's sake. It's all trumping contextual. Spammers will get upset that you call their stuff spam. If you are on a recipe forum, people will get upset that you bring up video games or politics or anything else. Some people will have a knee jerk and be swatting offended just any time they see certain words based on their prior experience..
Swear words: Prejudice against vernacular used by "undesirable individuals" especially if they are different from you.
Also, using gods name in vain is condemning god or using god's name for evil purposes like the uber common practice of using religion to manipulate people, not hyperbolically saying god should condemn toe stubbing because you stubbed your toe.
"Hopefully, the court will see through any assertions about "training and experience""
Is that really what we want? These are pretty clearly systematic issues, and training, culture and protocols are going to legitimately be a big part of the cause of situations like this. They keep treating these issues as if individual bad officers are the root of the problem, which is really just treating symptoms
Rather than spiderman they are going to end up mirroring old Batman looking back in angst considering how they made things so much worse by using their "great power" to "fix" others' actions that are none of their business and an elected government should be taking responsibility for
You don't need an art to avoid responsibility that isn't yours.
It's not the phone company's fault that your friend lied to you on the phone.
The tech companies have actually been taking responsibility and trying to deal with problems not at all of their making.. They are hammer manufactures trying to figure out how to keep people from choosing to bash someone over the head with hammers. They aren't mitigating problems that they caused or contributed to they are just getting blamed for the bad actions of others who happen to use their general purpose services and trying to figure out how to use their "great power" to solve age old societal problems.
"There is a fair argument that some digital platforms are sufficiently akin to common carriers"
Sure..
First, you conflate targeted, specific end user services with ISPs by calling them platforms, then you can easily see how those websites are really generic "platforms" that only act as common carriers and shouldn't be prejudicing the service they deliver based on what that target audience actually wants from their service
In other words, if you don't want coke to get people addicted to cocaine you just need to set up the rules to say they can't do that and they will happily go about making money in less destructive and more productive ways
Corporations are a double edged sword, and their harm is also their benefit. The rules need to be set up to structure their motivations correctly. Corporations are like robots, if you have bad rules, you will get bad actions from corporations.
Of course, if you allow the few people running the corps to influence the rule making disproportionately in any way other than the few votes they should be getting compared to other voters then you will have rules made to benefit those few individuals instead of democratic ones, then you get bad rules and therefore bad actions from the corporations. You shouldn't allow that sort of thing.
Re: Re: One suspicion you left out is Nike prior collusion, ALL
First time in my bottomless naivety I read through the bible, I noticed there was no reference to satan in it anywhere and I went and looked up where it was supposed to be and I was not impressed. Noas ark? check. 7 Days? check. Job and the whale? check. Cutting off hair loses power? check. How can you claim to know the word of the lord when actually the lying scribes have written it falsely? check (best part!)
King of hell torturing bad people? Let me read again.. What there? common.
Re: Re: One suspicion you left out is Nike prior collusion, ALL
"would like to know how / why you omitted THE key fact"
Because it would be the default assumption in this context? You don't have to specify if it's the default. If it was pig's blood or something he might have mentioned.. If you are doing an article about a kitkat bar, you don't need to specify it's the "regular flavour" kitkat.. people can figure that out because you didn't say "pigs blood flavour"
Also, we've all skinned our knees before you don't have to act like anyone who's ever bled is a witch or something
Heres a list of things that one guy found taken out of the disney plus release just doing a manual comparison. Most are music that was edited out.. There are only 2 full episodes missing in the U.S, one is the one you mention and another one is just the usual.
This is really just a google of "muppet show edits". I can't actually vouch for the changes to seasons 4 and 5 as they have never been officially available for me to be able to watch before in my lifetime in any format so don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled I can finally watch it even with some music stripped out. The sesame street theme song being stripped out is a bit of a low blow though.
If Henson could have seen the future, or if he was a massive company with a massive legal budget that could just use their weight to get "all the rights to cover all bases regardless of what happens", it might not be an issue sure.
It's true for the muppet show I do hold out some hope that we might have those songs put back eventually and the originals might be preserved, but only because it's a massive cultural icon now owned by disney not because I think thats going to happen in general. If it's not popular enough to invest all that effort in and it's got rights issues it's going in the garbage pile.
I'm not holding my breath that someday all those archive collections of ancient video games are going to be complete and not missing anything that had a licensed component anymore. Your legal system has failed you if you need to rely on something illegal just so your culture doesn't end up in the garbage bin.
Addendum
Whats really going to happen is that only new things go to digital by default and will be ok until there is another unforseen problem with the license agreements with later tech, some exceptional select old titles with this issue will be migrated, many butchered in the process, and the originals and the rest of the old ones that can't easily be sorted out will be lost and forgotten or left to pirates to keep the history if they can
On the post: Republican's 'Big Tech Accountability' Platform Calls For Both More And Less Moderation, And A 'Not Fairness Doctrine' Fairness Doctrine
Re: Re: Re: You Know It's Good When Maz Panicks
Thats the problem. The conservatives are supposed to be the ones protecting us from this kind of bullshit, not pushing it.
The democrats are spineless and the republicans are utterly disingenuous
And none of that changes what I said.
On the post: Republican's 'Big Tech Accountability' Platform Calls For Both More And Less Moderation, And A 'Not Fairness Doctrine' Fairness Doctrine
Re: 'We support speech, specifically only OUR speech.'
To be honest.. The only thing they really stand for is keeping non republicans from having influence at any cost..
Pretending earned success by tech companies is somehow worse than companies that use lobbying as their main revenue tool,
Pretending companies shouldn't be able to make their own decisions about whether it's good or bad for the company to become involved in politics but only when the company disagrees with them,
Pretending there is a problem with illegitimate votes in the hopes of keeping power with ever shrinking support from the people
All that crap is pretend, no honestly one believes any of that crap. They aren't even trying for a real platform anymore, their platform just boils to "it's us or them"
On the post: Republican's 'Big Tech Accountability' Platform Calls For Both More And Less Moderation, And A 'Not Fairness Doctrine' Fairness Doctrine
Re: You Know It's Good When Maz Panicks
A public property is one owned by the gov't.. It's not effectively a public property until after the republicans in their everlasting disrespect for private property effectively expropriate it, then it will be "effectively a public property"
On the post: Republican's 'Big Tech Accountability' Platform Calls For Both More And Less Moderation, And A 'Not Fairness Doctrine' Fairness Doctrine
I guess
c: Alternatively, define big tech companies as big tech companies that as big tech companies enjoy the same free speech rights other companies do
Didn't make it into the draft?
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Just what online video game market needs.. another EA
On the post: The Pillow Dude's 'Free Speech' Social Media Website Will Moderate 'Swear Words' Because Of Course It Will
Re: Know your audence man...
Hey, this forum sucks, it's is full of asshole trolls.. I wanted a platform where only I was allowed to be an asshole troll and everyone else was forced to be civil and put up with it
On the post: The Pillow Dude's 'Free Speech' Social Media Website Will Moderate 'Swear Words' Because Of Course It Will
Re: Re: Original
There aren't any words that people don't get upset about for copyright's sake. It's all trumping contextual. Spammers will get upset that you call their stuff spam. If you are on a recipe forum, people will get upset that you bring up video games or politics or anything else. Some people will have a knee jerk and be swatting offended just any time they see certain words based on their prior experience..
On the post: The Pillow Dude's 'Free Speech' Social Media Website Will Moderate 'Swear Words' Because Of Course It Will
Re: Original
"The original purpose of content moderation was to eliminate obscenity not to control people's beliefs"
Exactly.. Then we found out it's Potato potawto since one mans obscenity is another's belief.. Do we really need to go through it all again
On the post: The Pillow Dude's 'Free Speech' Social Media Website Will Moderate 'Swear Words' Because Of Course It Will
Swear words: Prejudice against vernacular used by "undesirable individuals" especially if they are different from you.
Also, using gods name in vain is condemning god or using god's name for evil purposes like the uber common practice of using religion to manipulate people, not hyperbolically saying god should condemn toe stubbing because you stubbed your toe.
On the post: I Guess They're Not All On The Same Side: Cops Brutalize Soldier For [Checks Notes] Leading Them To A Well-Lit Area
"Hopefully, the court will see through any assertions about "training and experience""
Is that really what we want? These are pretty clearly systematic issues, and training, culture and protocols are going to legitimately be a big part of the cause of situations like this. They keep treating these issues as if individual bad officers are the root of the problem, which is really just treating symptoms
On the post: Donald Trump Caused The Techlash
Re:
Rather than spiderman they are going to end up mirroring old Batman looking back in angst considering how they made things so much worse by using their "great power" to "fix" others' actions that are none of their business and an elected government should be taking responsibility for
On the post: Donald Trump Caused The Techlash
Speaking of scapegoating..
You don't need an art to avoid responsibility that isn't yours.
It's not the phone company's fault that your friend lied to you on the phone.
The tech companies have actually been taking responsibility and trying to deal with problems not at all of their making.. They are hammer manufactures trying to figure out how to keep people from choosing to bash someone over the head with hammers. They aren't mitigating problems that they caused or contributed to they are just getting blamed for the bad actions of others who happen to use their general purpose services and trying to figure out how to use their "great power" to solve age old societal problems.
On the post: Deconstructing Justice Thomas' Pro-Censorship Statement
"There is a fair argument that some digital platforms are sufficiently akin to common carriers"
Sure..
First, you conflate targeted, specific end user services with ISPs by calling them platforms, then you can easily see how those websites are really generic "platforms" that only act as common carriers and shouldn't be prejudicing the service they deliver based on what that target audience actually wants from their service
On the post: Cable Giant Charter Fined $19 Million For Lying About Competitors Going Out Of Business
Re: Re: Re: Re: I swear...
In other words, if you don't want coke to get people addicted to cocaine you just need to set up the rules to say they can't do that and they will happily go about making money in less destructive and more productive ways
On the post: Cable Giant Charter Fined $19 Million For Lying About Competitors Going Out Of Business
Re: Re: Re: I swear...
Corporations are a double edged sword, and their harm is also their benefit. The rules need to be set up to structure their motivations correctly. Corporations are like robots, if you have bad rules, you will get bad actions from corporations.
Of course, if you allow the few people running the corps to influence the rule making disproportionately in any way other than the few votes they should be getting compared to other voters then you will have rules made to benefit those few individuals instead of democratic ones, then you get bad rules and therefore bad actions from the corporations. You shouldn't allow that sort of thing.
On the post: MSCHF Settles Upgraded Shoe Dispute With Nike And Promises (Wink, Wink) To Buy Back Satan Shoes
Re: Re: One suspicion you left out is Nike prior collusion, ALL
First time in my bottomless naivety I read through the bible, I noticed there was no reference to satan in it anywhere and I went and looked up where it was supposed to be and I was not impressed. Noas ark? check. 7 Days? check. Job and the whale? check. Cutting off hair loses power? check. How can you claim to know the word of the lord when actually the lying scribes have written it falsely? check (best part!)
King of hell torturing bad people? Let me read again.. What there? common.
On the post: MSCHF Settles Upgraded Shoe Dispute With Nike And Promises (Wink, Wink) To Buy Back Satan Shoes
Re: Re: One suspicion you left out is Nike prior collusion, ALL
"would like to know how / why you omitted THE key fact"
Because it would be the default assumption in this context? You don't have to specify if it's the default. If it was pig's blood or something he might have mentioned.. If you are doing an article about a kitkat bar, you don't need to specify it's the "regular flavour" kitkat.. people can figure that out because you didn't say "pigs blood flavour"
Also, we've all skinned our knees before you don't have to act like anyone who's ever bled is a witch or something
On the post: MSCHF Settles Upgraded Shoe Dispute With Nike And Promises (Wink, Wink) To Buy Back Satan Shoes
"voluntary recall to buy back any Satan Shoes and Jesus Shoes for their original retail prices"
Otherwise known as a refund policy?
On the post: Microsoft/Xbox Pushing Backwards Compatibility Hard, With Specific Nods Towards Game Preservation
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Heres a list of things that one guy found taken out of the disney plus release just doing a manual comparison. Most are music that was edited out.. There are only 2 full episodes missing in the U.S, one is the one you mention and another one is just the usual.
This is really just a google of "muppet show edits". I can't actually vouch for the changes to seasons 4 and 5 as they have never been officially available for me to be able to watch before in my lifetime in any format so don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled I can finally watch it even with some music stripped out. The sesame street theme song being stripped out is a bit of a low blow though.
If Henson could have seen the future, or if he was a massive company with a massive legal budget that could just use their weight to get "all the rights to cover all bases regardless of what happens", it might not be an issue sure.
It's true for the muppet show I do hold out some hope that we might have those songs put back eventually and the originals might be preserved, but only because it's a massive cultural icon now owned by disney not because I think thats going to happen in general. If it's not popular enough to invest all that effort in and it's got rights issues it's going in the garbage pile.
I'm not holding my breath that someday all those archive collections of ancient video games are going to be complete and not missing anything that had a licensed component anymore. Your legal system has failed you if you need to rely on something illegal just so your culture doesn't end up in the garbage bin.
On the post: Microsoft/Xbox Pushing Backwards Compatibility Hard, With Specific Nods Towards Game Preservation
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Addendum
Whats really going to happen is that only new things go to digital by default and will be ok until there is another unforseen problem with the license agreements with later tech, some exceptional select old titles with this issue will be migrated, many butchered in the process, and the originals and the rest of the old ones that can't easily be sorted out will be lost and forgotten or left to pirates to keep the history if they can
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