Wow, someone who actually thinks Canadian plans are better. Ok, let's do this.
Unless you have special plans, you pay for incoming calls.
No flex data plans from the major companies. If you don't use all you're data, too bad, you're still paying for it. If you do use all you're data, you can pay up to 2 per megabyte over your limit.
Throttling. Oh the Throttling. Up untill January all of the 'big 3' companies throttled all video streaming. To my knowledge only Bell has since stopped.
Your company may send text messages about anything from new offers to how long it's been since you checked your voicemail. God help you if your plan doesn't include texting.
And that's just the shit they do with cellphones. The crap they make us swallow as internet service providers would make you cry.
Ah, ok so you're including like the recording process, the downloading to my computer and the website/program I used to find the song as part of the whole product. Like if I went to a restuarant and ordered a steak I wouldn't just be paying for the meat, but also the cooking of it, the ambiance and so on.
"The sad part about the whole thing is that at $0.99 per song the industry makes a killing as the bandwidth to transfer said song costs next to nothing."
That's a very limited way of looking at it. The bandwidth to transfer the file is only the last ingredient in the very large recipe of how itunes works. They also need servers to hosts the files, programmers and technicians to keep the servers up and running, they need to pay royalties to the record labels or artists (I'm not sure sure royalties is the right word but whatever) as well as the physical building to hosts these servers, and all the other little expenses.
Plus, in the case of itunes there's all the podcasts and itunes U and ping services they host for free, which while you may not use millions of people do use that your songs also pay for. Obviously, itunes is still hugely profitable despite all these things, but to try and claim that they're grossly overcharging per song based solely on the price it costs for bandwidth is a gross oversimplification.
And if you ever forget it, just say you have a minor disagreement with a Conservative position. They'll be happy to tell you about the huge mandate they got in October, and how appearently the will of the people are against you.
Maybe the Canadian population as a whole isn't, but our politicians are getting close. Just look at the whole prison debacle or Byron Sonne charges or the continued existence of the EI Financing Agency while every other government program is looking to get cut, and you'll see just how brain dead our great leaders are.
"End-consumers rarely pay for music. They put down money for copies of music"
Ok, I think this is where alot of people (myself included) get lost. What exactly is the difference between paying for the music vs paying for a copy of the music.
I never understood that either! Americans love fries, cheese and gravy, but fries covered in cheese and gravy is an abomination that must be avoided at all costs?
"Yeah, but did he want to get paid before he went to school to get the training and license to do it, or did he only bill you when he actually did the work?"
I take it you've never heard of student loans or grants...
"Did you have to go to the farmer, and pre-pay him for your next year of milk, so that he could go out and get a cow and work to produce it?"
Billions of dollars in tax payer money each year goes to dairy farmers to help them manage their farm. This is in advance of a drop of milk being harvested.
Soooo...yes, yes he did pay him in advance for his milk, and probably the contracting work but we'll never be sure. The only difference between these examples and the kickstarter artist is that if we don't like the project or the artist, we can choose not to fund it, unlike those entitled fat cat contractors and farmers!
The monitoring ones are kinda funny, but the first about copyright is kind of an over simplification. To make the simile work it'd have to be 'they claim you're giving away free samples of their products,' or something like that, and even that would be way to simple.
"Property is a tool for determining the best way to allocate scarce resources. It simply doesn't apply to a non-scarce resource, because there's no allocation question."
Ok, let's try this. I'm a struggling artist working on an album. I buy a guitar to test out strings and chords to see what sound write, I obviously need either work or finance support while I work it out, and spend countless hours jotting down lyrics, fiddling with strings etc etc. After that, I have to either produce the album myself or let a record label do it. If I do it myself, I need to rent studio time and other musicians to play with me to get it recorded (or use home equipment, which costs lots of money and/or doesn't sound as good) I have to design a cover for my album and other artwork, or pay someone else to but for the sake of argument I'm THAT indie and do it myself, costing nothing but time. I start doing shows in seedy bars, get it played on local radio stations and finally it starts getting traction. My album’s a hit.
Explain to me why the blood sweat and tears I put into my album should NOT be considered a valuable resource, and anyone should be able to download it for free without my consent.
Note I'm not asking how many of the people who download will eventually go to my concert or buy my next album, I'm asking why they should be able to download them into the first place. Why I shouldn't have just as much right to the songs I spent months writing than the guitar I play them on.
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Unless you have special plans, you pay for incoming calls.
No flex data plans from the major companies. If you don't use all you're data, too bad, you're still paying for it. If you do use all you're data, you can pay up to 2 per megabyte over your limit.
Throttling. Oh the Throttling. Up untill January all of the 'big 3' companies throttled all video streaming. To my knowledge only Bell has since stopped.
Your company may send text messages about anything from new offers to how long it's been since you checked your voicemail. God help you if your plan doesn't include texting.
And that's just the shit they do with cellphones. The crap they make us swallow as internet service providers would make you cry.
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That's a very limited way of looking at it. The bandwidth to transfer the file is only the last ingredient in the very large recipe of how itunes works. They also need servers to hosts the files, programmers and technicians to keep the servers up and running, they need to pay royalties to the record labels or artists (I'm not sure sure royalties is the right word but whatever) as well as the physical building to hosts these servers, and all the other little expenses.
Plus, in the case of itunes there's all the podcasts and itunes U and ping services they host for free, which while you may not use millions of people do use that your songs also pay for. Obviously, itunes is still hugely profitable despite all these things, but to try and claim that they're grossly overcharging per song based solely on the price it costs for bandwidth is a gross oversimplification.
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Lost in translation?
Ok, I think this is where alot of people (myself included) get lost. What exactly is the difference between paying for the music vs paying for a copy of the music.
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I take it you've never heard of student loans or grants...
"Did you have to go to the farmer, and pre-pay him for your next year of milk, so that he could go out and get a cow and work to produce it?"
Billions of dollars in tax payer money each year goes to dairy farmers to help them manage their farm. This is in advance of a drop of milk being harvested.
Soooo...yes, yes he did pay him in advance for his milk, and probably the contracting work but we'll never be sure. The only difference between these examples and the kickstarter artist is that if we don't like the project or the artist, we can choose not to fund it, unlike those entitled fat cat contractors and farmers!
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Ok, let's try this. I'm a struggling artist working on an album. I buy a guitar to test out strings and chords to see what sound write, I obviously need either work or finance support while I work it out, and spend countless hours jotting down lyrics, fiddling with strings etc etc. After that, I have to either produce the album myself or let a record label do it. If I do it myself, I need to rent studio time and other musicians to play with me to get it recorded (or use home equipment, which costs lots of money and/or doesn't sound as good) I have to design a cover for my album and other artwork, or pay someone else to but for the sake of argument I'm THAT indie and do it myself, costing nothing but time. I start doing shows in seedy bars, get it played on local radio stations and finally it starts getting traction. My album’s a hit.
Explain to me why the blood sweat and tears I put into my album should NOT be considered a valuable resource, and anyone should be able to download it for free without my consent.
Note I'm not asking how many of the people who download will eventually go to my concert or buy my next album, I'm asking why they should be able to download them into the first place. Why I shouldn't have just as much right to the songs I spent months writing than the guitar I play them on.
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