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Mike, let's put this in terms of a visit to a town hall. If I, Nuge, go to a town hall of each of my Senators and my Representative and express my support for a particular view, that is not meaningless. That is exercising my First Amendment rights, among others. And, on the other side, each of my representatives knows where I stand and factors that into their thinking on how to vote. Net-net, there is communication on an issue with three of my represenatives who most assuredly are three independent actors. So my communication with all three is not only an exercise of my First Amendment rights, not only an exercise of democratic principles, but also necessary because I have 3 actors to influence. So if individual through Creative America attends 3 town halls or sends 3 emails, that total count is very important in determining influence. This is what you are missing. It's not about #s of senders, it's about individuals communicating their point of view to their multiple representatives.
Mike, I don't know how Demand Progress calculates its count. Do you? Creative America has been completely transparent, and we don't count letters from senders whose location info is garbled or missing or out of the US.
In a legislative matter, every individual in the US has 3 represenatives - 2 Senate and 1 House. If you care about an issue, you send to all 3. Thus, letter count is critical. That's what our elected representatives look to when taking the pulse of their electorate. To each of the 3 representatives, 1 letter = 1 person. You want to paint this as an attempt to mislead, but the metric we wanted to communicate was # of letters, and we did.
Dark: why 3? Because change.org creates 3 emails per each signed petition, telling the signator as much - that's why they are on change.org, to send petitions to Congress - to each of the signator's Senators (2) and Representative (1). Why 3: because this is a legislative issue on the table right now. The # of letters generated to our representatives in Congress is the important metric. If you have 3 representatives in Congress and only send 1 or 2 letters out, you are being less than effective and influencing less than you should.
Mike, i enjoy Techdirt and the good give and take. I know you want the facts on Creative America's count, and here they are.
1. At creativeamerica.org we have generated, last I looked 5-10 minutes ago, 4195 email letters to the House.
2. At our change.org page, where we generate email petitions/letters to Congress, we have, last I looked, 33,286 signators who each time they sign the petition, per the set up, generate 3 emails each, 1 to each of their Senators and Reps in Congress. That's how change.org works in this case. So that's 33,286x3 = 99,858.
3. 4195 + 99,858 = 104,053
I have the list right now in front of me that shows where each of the 100,000+ went to. I would be happy to sit down with you, and you alone, to walk through that list and have a third party verify its authenticity. Believe me, we don't have to make numbers up. People affected by content theft are speaking up and the number of emails will only climb.
And by the way you culled out of the comments those that are negative. I even see negative comments on Techdirt. Here's one that captures well what others say, that is people who are hurt by content theft; this from a Whitney Boe (sorry I can't reproduce as well as you do above):
whitney Boe
24 days ago
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Websites trafficking in stolen film and TV content get nearly 150 million visits every day, more than 50 billion visits per year. As an independent film producer I have seen my films that I put my own money into, uploaded to the internet for free viewing. Why people don't understand this is theft is beyond me. Do you steal from the grocery store? Do you walk into a Starbucks and just take what you want without paying? Do you go to the mall, try on the clothes you like and take them home? No, because you know it's theft and you know it's not only ethically wrong but it's illegal. Yes, the big guys like Disney and Warner Bros. are supporting this because they have the money to do it. Yes, they are protecting their "corporate interests" because it's legally their profit. This is not about "censuring the internet" this is about illegal access to someone else's products. MY products, MY income, MY ability to hire people to work on my films. And before you belligerently assume I'm some Hollywood millionaire, living in a mansion, who doesn't "work" for a living - like 99% of all people here in Los Angeles, I work my ass off full-time at a "real" job just like you, clip coupons and buy generic to make ends meet, have a mortgage and drive a 13 year old Honda. And I don't steal other people's property just because everyone else is doing it. So yes, read up on this issue and maybe you'll realize you are not entitled to free music, films, TV shows, or any other form of intellectual property
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On the post: Hollywood Front Group Rounds Up 4,000 Letters Sent To Congress, Pretending It's 100,000
Re: Re: Re: Re: Creative America's Letter Count
In a legislative matter, every individual in the US has 3 represenatives - 2 Senate and 1 House. If you care about an issue, you send to all 3. Thus, letter count is critical. That's what our elected representatives look to when taking the pulse of their electorate. To each of the 3 representatives, 1 letter = 1 person. You want to paint this as an attempt to mislead, but the metric we wanted to communicate was # of letters, and we did.
On the post: Hollywood Front Group Rounds Up 4,000 Letters Sent To Congress, Pretending It's 100,000
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On the post: Hollywood Front Group Rounds Up 4,000 Letters Sent To Congress, Pretending It's 100,000
Creative America's Letter Count
1. At creativeamerica.org we have generated, last I looked 5-10 minutes ago, 4195 email letters to the House.
2. At our change.org page, where we generate email petitions/letters to Congress, we have, last I looked, 33,286 signators who each time they sign the petition, per the set up, generate 3 emails each, 1 to each of their Senators and Reps in Congress. That's how change.org works in this case. So that's 33,286x3 = 99,858.
3. 4195 + 99,858 = 104,053
I have the list right now in front of me that shows where each of the 100,000+ went to. I would be happy to sit down with you, and you alone, to walk through that list and have a third party verify its authenticity. Believe me, we don't have to make numbers up. People affected by content theft are speaking up and the number of emails will only climb.
And by the way you culled out of the comments those that are negative. I even see negative comments on Techdirt. Here's one that captures well what others say, that is people who are hurt by content theft; this from a Whitney Boe (sorry I can't reproduce as well as you do above):
whitney Boe
24 days ago
3 people like this reason
Websites trafficking in stolen film and TV content get nearly 150 million visits every day, more than 50 billion visits per year. As an independent film producer I have seen my films that I put my own money into, uploaded to the internet for free viewing. Why people don't understand this is theft is beyond me. Do you steal from the grocery store? Do you walk into a Starbucks and just take what you want without paying? Do you go to the mall, try on the clothes you like and take them home? No, because you know it's theft and you know it's not only ethically wrong but it's illegal. Yes, the big guys like Disney and Warner Bros. are supporting this because they have the money to do it. Yes, they are protecting their "corporate interests" because it's legally their profit. This is not about "censuring the internet" this is about illegal access to someone else's products. MY products, MY income, MY ability to hire people to work on my films. And before you belligerently assume I'm some Hollywood millionaire, living in a mansion, who doesn't "work" for a living - like 99% of all people here in Los Angeles, I work my ass off full-time at a "real" job just like you, clip coupons and buy generic to make ends meet, have a mortgage and drive a 13 year old Honda. And I don't steal other people's property just because everyone else is doing it. So yes, read up on this issue and maybe you'll realize you are not entitled to free music, films, TV shows, or any other form of intellectual property
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