"Strike 'rest' as they have also declared war on their own citizens."
Notice the word "again" in the first line above.
The first time the USG unofficially declared war on a population of civilians, was right after 9/11 and the population designated as the enemy, was indeed, the American Population.
Mind you, the groundwork for the secret legislation that gives this undeclared war its legal powers, was laid down during the War on Drugs.
You may even recall some stories way back when, about the lower-class civilian American Public being labelled as the "adversary". :)
So, in short, one gang from one nation is warning another gang that runs another nation, that should the 2nd gang continue to expose the crimes of the first gang's members, the first gang will then leak information exposing the crimes of the second gang's members.
Two criminal organizations, just making sure that both stay within the bounds of their populace fleecing gentleman's agreement, in the only way they know how.
As long as a LEO can decide whether or not to turn his body camera on, all police video footage will be of the type that exonerates the cop's crimes, since no cop is going to record an intended robbery, or murder.
And as everyone must by now understand, the lack of consequences for their actions, due to the lack of video footage showing their crimes, combined with the common legal approval of the courts, will lead directly to an escalation of incidences of involunatary street suicide, or as its more commonly known, "suicide by cop".
As long as cops are protected from the consequences of their illegal actions by the simple decision of whether to record an event or not, their willingness and their ability to break the law while on duty will increase and more civilians will become victims of the long arm of the law.
Hmmm... one has to wonder WHY anyone would think that the police departments of America - you know, the guys who took more money from Americans than the criminals did last year - would utilize ANY technology that was not specifically designed in such a way that it would increase police department revenue at the expense of the poorest members of American Society.
After all, that is exactly how all For-Profit Police Forces work and anything that will make the job easier or increase the amount of cash available for "confiscation", is absolutely certain to be utilized extensively.
Ask the Russians, the Chinese, or any of the myriad dictators that American tax-payer money supports around the world.
And in case you thought that the Police were there to capture criminals, well, the police know that should they capture and incarcerate too many crooks, that their budgets would be cut and they would have fewer excuses to employ technology that officially "catches terrorists and other bad guys."
Should be less than a decade now, till we start getting some good old fashioned and obviously-illegal defense software for the home and office.
You know, little apps that can determine the presence of unauthorized "users", verify that they are indeed unauthorized, backtrack to their origin, ascertain that the origin is indeed the actual source of the intrusion and upload a nastygram-destructo-dragon-worm on the perps there, turning their computers into smouldering door-stops and ending that particular intrusion, in just a few seconds.
Yeah sure there will be some mistakes at first and a few innocents will be mistakenly cyber-assaulted, but time will force the public to begin demanding something for the defense of their property against a government that follows no rules and obeys no laws.
I'm hoping it is sooner, rather than later, because this situation is not going to get any better over time, when the perps are also the people who selectively uphold the laws of the land and who are themselves now only accountable to the set of secret rules and laws that they themselves wrote.
Push the public far enough and often enough and they will push back.
What does one call a "government" whose actions follow no rules and obey no laws?
"'One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak uncertainty of reason - but one cannot have both.'
'Robert A. Heinlein'"
Aye. Vaccination today, is indeed a faith-based medicine, since, as I've just shown here, the Vaxxers never actually check out any "facts" offered by the Vaccination Industry's "scientists".
Whatever comes out of the mouth of the Vacc Industry, is to a Vaxxer, Gospel of the highest order, even if it is utterly illogical or even completely errorneous, such as the recent "terror program" the industry has sprerad among mothers, who now fear a single unvaccinated child can infect all their vaccinated children.
Somehow, all the supposedly intelligent Vaxxers accepted this Vaccination Industry spawned myth as gospel; instantly, without reservation, because it was "scientific". They repeated the Industry talking points with complete faith in the source.
This particular program is designed to gain popular support for the creation of laws that will double the Industry's profits over night - laws that will make it legal to arrest and incarcerate Anti-Vaxxers and eventually, allow the Industry to force innoculate the whole nation.
These laws will be based entirely on Vaccination Industry Gospel, unverified by any source other than the Vaccination Industry itself.
Because of Vaxxer indifference, soon it will be; Fuck The Constitution Time. Poke 'em all and let God Sort 'em out.
The Vaxxers never actually try to verify any of their "church's" claims pertaining to viral infection, Anti-Vaxxers or diseases, beyond simply checking the Sacred Industry's PR talking points bible to insure those lies in question are duly recorded therein as officially accepted "science facts", which the Vaxxers can use to browbeat the Anti-Vaxxer Infidels into submission.
When you add commerce to science, you end up with "for profit science", which even the slowest among you should realize, is not going to offer a whole lot of incentive to ending disease on earth, as disease is that industry's bread and butter.
For Profit Medical Science, would for example, never disclose any discovery that might lessen its own annual profitability, or threaten to cause its dissolution, such as; for example, discovering a cure for cancer, or even a discovery that shows cancer to be a simple fungus infection that could be treated using things that kill mushrooms...
...not when the Pharma Industry can earn the better portion of a half million tax-payer dollars per cancer victim before s/he dies within a decade of infection due to a chemo-therapy blasted immune system.
However, when it comes to Mister Heinlein., I prefer:
"One man's religion, is another man's belly laugh."
Re: Re: Modern medicine and its usefulness to society at large
I do hope you were reading this little discussion Wendy.
I really hate seeing smart people tricked by corporations into doing their corporate dirty work for free.
According to ACTUAL SCIENCE, the Vaccinated are in just as much danger of infection from other Vaccinated, as they are from the un-vaccinated.
And no, you are NOT immune to all of those diseases you had shots for. Innoculated Immunity is fleeting, and as soon as the virus mutates beyond a certain point, your immunity is lost forever against that strain.
This has been a very good learning expeditiion.
I have learned that Vaxxers, as a rule, know as little about the subject as they think Anti-Vaxxers do.
Vaxxers think they have Science on their side, so they don't have to actually understand the processes they are arguing, because they have the Vaccination Industry's talking points instead.
Amazingly, these normally intelligent people will just use these talking points as if they were gospel truth, without actually verifying that truth, simnply because they trust that the Pharmeco Industry would never lie to them and that theses truth were scientifically proven to be truths.
In just a couple days, in one of the most informed and intelligent forums I know of, Vaxxers turned out to be far less aware of the realities behind their chosen science than I was, and I actually admitted I was behind in my understanding of the process. I have done little to no study on viruses since the 80s, when I last caught a flu virus.
It was also apparent that Vaxxers seldom admit they are wrong, because they seldom discover that they are wrong.
Their faith in the science behind vaccination, makes them believers in the Industry's "veracity" and turns them - still truly unaware that they are being lied to - into volunteer storm troopers for the Industry.
Nothing stated by anyone not from the industry can be believed, so Vaxxers go through life "knowing they have all the answers", and thus learn nothing because they hear no arguments from anyone deemed an Anti-Vaxxer.
And anyone who does not agree with their faith based belief system and argues that vaccination might not be all its been drummed up to be, or that we should be wary of trusting any corporation that has had the law fixed to make it immune to prosecution should any of its products cause harm, must be an Anti-Vaxxer and can be safely ignored.
Seems I learned far more about Vaxxers than about Vaccinations from this discussion. :)
"...but there are any number of people involved in the process who would be willing to expose something like that..."
Ah, the old Conspiracy Cannot Happen Because There Are; "any number of people involved in the process who would be willing to expose something like that."
Sounds good as long as you don't actually analyze the validity of the claim. After all, most employees are reasonably honest people who would naturally expose wrong doing they saw. Right.
With the current state of the Truth Free Press in America - TV, Radio and Newspaper - I think there has probably already been at least half a dozen such exposures of the Pharmaco Industry's crime spree pertaining to vaccinations specifically, that nobody here has ever heard about, unless they found it on the web, and definitely on one of the sites that no Vaxxer would be caught dead visiting. :)
There is also the simple fact that currently, exposing any of the Big Players, is social suicide and puts you in line for a court "contest" with a Multi-Billion Dollar Industry that has been perpetually protected at every turn by the Federal Government.
As can be surmised immediately, very few citizens have gone up against such monstrous opponents and returned from the now standard process of Shooting the Messenger, with anything resembling victory.
In fact, if you wanted to list all of them, it is very likely that you would have to look them up on the web, as they are - with perhaps the exception of Snowden - not exactly well known for their effort.
And even Snowden - arguably the best known of all the exposers of evil doers' machinations - who literally exposed the biggest crime spree in American History, could do nothing more than embarrass the perps slightly and momentarily, as they wrapped themselves in the law and retaliated massively, in search of vengence and in order to make an example so others don't repeat the mistake - a trick the USG members brought with them from their days in the MAFIA, no doubt.
Most Americans still think Snowden is a traitor, because they still believe their government is a government and not a fascist crime cartel.
This statement: "...but there are any number of people involved in the process who would be willing to expose something like that..." ...should be followed by these statements: "... but there are any number of people involved in the process, who would be willing to look the other way, for money, promotion, or to keep from losing their job." ...and; "...but there are any number of people invilved in the process that fear for their lives if they should turncoat on their fellow conspirators."
Considering that most of these big scams include loss of life among the victims, its easy for fellow conspirators to realize their own life is also on the line, should they get caught or blow the whistle.
At least those who "go with flow" do actually get rewarded with cash, higher position, or by keeping their job, and perhaps their life, unlike those who blow the whistle, who have the fullest weight of law dropped on them by people who are backed by billions of dollars, and who are willing to go to any length to make the whistleblower appear to be the bad guy.
I would say that the split would be something like 9,999,999 people on the "flow" side, for every person who has considered becoming a whistle blower.
While whistle blowing might seem heroic to those who will never have to do such a thing, it means the utter end to one's "normal life", forever, and can indeed lead to official incarceration for crimes never committed, if the other perps don't kill you first.
I'm pretty sure the bad guys have this problem pretty well sewn up, but hey, all you Skeptics out there, if you want to retain your membership in the Conspiracy Nutter Hater Club, just ignore all of that.
I think the attitude you and others have displayed here, shows nicely why most Vaxxers automatically poo poo anything stated by anyone they think might be an Anti-Vaxxer.
The very first thing that a Vaxxer thinks whenever confronted on this subject, is that their "opponent" is an Anti-Vaxxer, and thus, is a fool, stupid, uninformed and probably a conspiracy nut to boot.
Vaxxers tend to parrot pretty much exactly what the Pharma Industry propaganda claims, and apparently do not do a lot of logical thinking about the "facts" they repeat, because they believe these facts to be scientifically derived and thus personal verification through studious investigation is un-necessary.
The problem of course, is that this double standard makes it nearly impossible for Vaxxers to actually hear or read what their opponent is saying, because the Vaxxer has already decided that anyone who thinks Vaccination is not God's gift to humanity and that the Pharmeco Industry is not composed of only good honest scientists, is a total moron, and like Mister T, ignores anything they say, while claiming a personal victory for having "shot down" another Anti-Vaxxer Idiot in flames.
The reality starts to show up when these "claims" fall under logical scrutiny and begin to unravel.
It might do a world of good, if the Vaxxers were at least smart enough to realize they may NOT have all the answers yet. Because, as can be seen in just this small dialogue, Vaxxers do not have all the answers and can often be as superstitious and stubborn as they claim Anti-Vaxxers are.
One thing that can be said about the two sides in this argument, is that at least the Anti-Vaxxers are basing their dissent on their own experiences and their own investigations and conclusions. On the other hand, Vaxxers are nearly unanimously Pharmarmy Volunteers who repeat the "science" facts of the industry verbatim and act as Pharmaco Industry Brown Shirts, free of charge.
I'd love to see universal immunization, whether it be from vaccination or some other method not yet discovered.
However, because the current vaccination process is intrusive and includes the direct injection of substances into the human blood stream, every aspect of this process should be 100% public, and 150% transparent, to all.
The idea that this process - Universal Immunization - should be patented - kept secret - and thereafter belong to and be controlled by an entity whose ONLY PURPOSE is to make money by any means and who cannot be held accountable for any harm done by their products - even if the product is forcibly injected into an unwilling person by law - is truly one of the most naive and dangerous notions I've seen in decades and I'd personally like to help change that ASAP.
"Really? You went with an article that chose measles as the counter-vaccination argument?"
What counter argument??
I asked some questions and got a bunch of answers that either chose a single nit to pick on or simply dumped a small turd on the floor. Your own response was completely unreal and completely unexpected.
The Unvaccinated DO NOT produce new strains of the yearly virus in their bodies. Viruses are always changing - its their nature. Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can be infected by a virus that differs significantly from the strain that their bodies are currently immune to.
I'm certain I'm not the only one who has noted that the part of my post about all those viral mutations in the unvaccinated being the cause of the vaccinated getting the flu they are immune to, not happening in the real world, has been thouroghly and studiously avoided.
However, I posted this particular article because it was the first one not by a government agency or the Pharma industry listed, that I could still copy and paste. The source sites of the other dissenting posts I tried, were no longer available.
I simply wanted to show that there is a "non-nutter" opinion out there that differs from the standard "Poke 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mentality of the Vaxxers, even on a site that a Vaxxer chooses to prove his point.
Yes viruses mutate. I have never said viruses do not mutate.
=============================================== This process works as follows: a person infected with a particular flu virus develops antibody against that virus. As antigenic changes accumulate, the antibodies created against the older viruses no longer recognize the “newer” virus, and the person can get sick again. Genetic changes that result in a virus with different antigenic properties is the main reason why people can get the flu more than one time. This is also why the flu vaccine composition must be reviewed each year, and updated as needed to keep up with evolving viruses." ===========================================
This explains nicely, how people can get the flu they are immunized against, through simple accumulation of tiny minute changes in the viral DNA.
It does not state that the unvaccinated produce them, only that once infected by the yearly flu strain, the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike, may have antibodies that are "out-of-date" so to speak and unable to cope with the slightly altered version of the yearly virus.
This is however, NOT a new strain of the virus, merely the old strain with a new pair of shoes.
Your comment originally laid the blame for the creation of new virus strains at the feet of the unvaccinated, when in fact this mutation is constant and ongoing and extremely small, such that mutiple mutations of this sort might still not produce a virus different enough to fool the current immunization, be it natural or innoculated.
This is in fact, what I was looking for. Thanks again.
As I said, were your scenario true - each year would see millions of new strains of the yearly virus as the unvaccinated caused them to mutate, because each person would produce a slightly different version of the yearly virus.
You accepted the notion that all the infected unvaccinated people would create the very same mutation however, and that seems absurd on the face of it and should have sent out a warning that something was not as it should be.
The second form of mutation is actually the accumulation of those small changes in the first form above, where enough small changes have occurred to create a new strain the following year. Its where the yearly virus come from.
Somehow, the flu virus manages to become new every year, even when it does not create enough genetic changes during the flu season to infect the immune or the innoculated. This will be my next area of inquiry.
The third form of mutation is a huge abrupt shift to a brand new configuration and it does not occur inside the body of the unvaccinated either. This is the pandemic change and no vaccination will save you from that either, until after the medical people analyse the new strain and create an innoculation specific to it.
And just to reiterate, in case you did not read the last post I made, I fully agree that vaccination, when done correctly, works exactly as advertised. I have no problem with innoculating people against disease, although I'm a little leary of doing so using needles, after reading that article about anaphylaxis.
What I'm worried about is the Pharmna Industry's corporate mandate to make more money every year than the year before, and their proven willingness to fuck over anyone to achieve that goal and their legal get-out-of-jail-card for all wrong-doing.
While I believe that vaccination works, I believe also that modern vaccinations are designed specifically to weaken the human immune system, so that EVERYONE gets sicker more often and needs more Pharma drugs and Pharma procedures, more and more as time goes on.
The perfect match for making more money next year than this year.
I suspect that modern vaccinations are little more than toxic cocktails, injected into a willing public, by companies that CANNOT BE PROSECUTED BY LAW for killing people via their concoctions.
When you remove the consequences, there is nothing left to prevent fraud and deception, by the Pharma Industry.
From the link provided by PaulT Thasnks so much Mister T. :) ==============================================
‘Herd Immunity’: the misplaced driver of universal vaccination
The term, ‘herd immunity’, was coined by researcher, A W Hedrich, after he’d studied the epidemiology of measles in USA between 1900-1931. His study published in the May, 1933 American Journal of Epidemiology concluded that when 68% of children younger than 15 yrs old had become immune to measles via infection, measles epidemics ceased. For several reasons, this natural, pre-vaccine herd immunity differed greatly from today’s vaccine ‘herd immunity’.1,2
When immunity was derived from natural infection, a much smaller proportion of the population needed to become immune to show the herd effect; compare the 68% measles immunity required for natural herd immunity to the very high percentages of vaccine uptake deemed necessary for measles vaccine ‘herd immunity’. In his ‘Vaccine Safety Manual’, Neil Z Miller cites research which concluded increasing vaccine uptake necessary for ‘herd immunity’ ranging from “70 to 80 percent of two year olds in inner cities” in 1991 to “‘close to 100 percent coverage’…with a vaccine that is 90 to 98 percent effective.” in 1997.
Miller notes that, “When the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963, officials were confident that they could eradicate the disease by 1967.”
Subsequently, new dates for eradication were pronounced as 1982, 2000 and 2010. Meanwhile, “In 1990, after examining 320 scientific works from around the world, 180 European medical doctors concluded that ‘the eradication of measles…would today appear to be an unrealistic goal.’” And in 1984, Professor D. Levy of Johns Hopkins University had already “concluded that if current practices [of suppressing natural immunity] continue, by the year 2050 a large part of the population will be at risk and ‘there could in theory be over 25,000 fatal cases of measles in the U.S.A.'”
Disease-conferred immunity usually lasted a lifetime. As each new generation of children contracted the infection, the immunity of those previously infected was renewed due to their continual cyclical re-exposure to the disease; except for newly-infected children and the few individuals who’d never had the disease or been exposed to it, the ‘herd immunity’ of the entire population was maintained at all times.
Vaccine ‘herd immunity’ is hit-and-miss; outbreaks of disease sometimes erupt in those who follow recommended vaccine schedules. If they do actually “immunize”, vaccines provide only short-term immunity so, in an attempt to maintain ‘herd immunity’, health authorities hold ‘cattle drives’ to round up older members of the ‘herd’ for administration of booster shots. And on it goes, to the point that, now, it’s recommended we accept cradle-to-grave shots of vaccine against pertussis, a disease which still persists after more than sixty years of widespread use of the vaccine.
Russell Blaylock, MD remarks, “One of the grand lies of the vaccine program is the concept of “herd immunity”. In fact, vaccines for most Americans declined to non-protective levels within 5 to 10 years of the vaccines. This means that for the vast majority of Americans, as well as others in the developed world, herd immunity doesn’t exist and hasn’t for over 60 years.”3
In the pre-vaccine era, newborns could receive antibodies against infectious diseases from their mothers who had themselves been infected as children and re-exposed to the diseases later in life. Today’s babies born to mothers who were vaccinated and never exposed to these diseases do not receive these antibodies. In direct contrast to fear mongering disease “facts” and ‘herd immunity’ theories related by Public Health, most of today’s babies are more vulnerable than babies of the pre-vaccine era.
References: 1. “Monthly estimates of the child population ‘susceptible’ to measles, 1900-1931, Baltimore, Maryland”; A W Hedrich; American Journal of Epidemiology; May 1933 – Oxford University Press.
2. ‘Vaccine Safety Manual’ by Neil Z Miller; New Atlantean Press; 2008, 2009; pg 152.
The Vaxxers demand unvaccinaterd children be removed from where their vaccinated children are because they believe that the unvaccinated will infect their vaccinated children. This is their false conclusion.
However, what you just posted above states that it is just as likely that a vaccinated child will catch the flu from another vaccinated child because neither the human immune system, nor the pharma vax are 100% effective.
This is the very first time I have read such a statement from any source on this topic and its very interesting.
While ignoring your implied insult, I have to agree fully with those 2 simple facts, but I have the feeling the vaxxers are not going to like your remark at all.
They have been happily doing Big Pharmas damage control job, blaming the failed vaccinations on the unvaccinated, and its not going to be easy for them to lose such a perfect scapegoat.
Yeah I know you meant this post to be a simple kick in the ass to some stupid anti-vaxxer, but thanks anyway.
Nice bit of scientific procedure Paul. Post TL;DR and then comment that its all shit anyway. You must have a masters degree in Faith Learning.
And of course my comment remains unanswered, ignored in fact by both posters. As expected. :)
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I will get back to you on Herd Immunity as soon as I have read your citation, John Fenderson.
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To reiterate:
How is it that all those unvaccinated people who apparently produce new strains of the yearly flu virus inside their bodies, never actally produce any new strains of the yearly flu virus, and all those who get the flu, who were vaccinated against it, always catch the same yearly flu as everyone else, and NOT some newly minted anti-vaxxer bug.
If this was a serious scientific concept, then there would be millions of new strains every year as the unvaccinated mutated their copy of the yearly flu virus into a million new unique strains.
Those of you still paying attention to the things that occur in the real world, might have noticed that this does not happen - in the real world. If it did, we would all be dead millenia ago.
If this is the only vector that the Vaxxers have to explain the apparent failure of the yearly vaccinations to prevent the vaccinated from getting the flu from the unvaccinated, its no wonder they just repeat the talking points rather than actually think about what they Believe to be true.
BTW - just so everyone is aware, I fully agree with the process of immunization by vaccination and I Believe that it works when done correctly.
However, I am also aware that today, corporate medical purpose does not include the curing elimination of diseases, because those are the money makers for the industry. To elimninate disease, is corporate suicide when disease is your income source.
Corporations, by their own rules, must alwasy make more money next year than this year ad infinitum, and they are willing to go to almost any lengths to see that desire realized.
I think the medical corporations have taken a successful method of eliminating disease and turned it instead into a better money maker by adultering the vaccination concoctions with things detrimental to health. In this way, they get the vaxxers to buy other drugs to fight the symptoms of the new maladies received from the vaccinations.
Easiest way to make big bux from this is to add shit that simply weakens the human immune system, so that Everyone can catch more diseases during the non-flu seasons and will need more pharma drugs to alleviate the symptoms from the other diseases they are no longer able to combat.
Only alleviate the symptoms because Pharma drugs never cure anything - they merely mask the symptoms, or turn off some body part to stop it from informing the body that something is wrong, like all your cold rememdies.
In fact, the science I know - I am 66 years old so my science facts may indeed be occassionally out of date somewhat - tells me that all a vaccination needs is dead viral bodies to trigger the immune system response.
My awareness of many facts surrounding this debate is weak because I have not caught the flu in over a quarter century so I never really had any inclination to study the process in detail until recently. So I ask questions.
To PaulT, asking questions is a sign of ignorance and weakness no doubt, an admittance that one does not know it all! Cest la vie eh.
What I do know is that Vaccinations today contain all sorts of unnecessaary and detrimental shit, much of it not listed on the single injection doses the customer sees, although it is listed on the package that those single does injectors come from, that the doctor reads.
I think you vaxxers are being royally screwed over annually and that you are pumping serious crap into your and your kids bodies and that its weakening your immune system, and even though most vaxxers act like incredibly arrogant assholes on this topic; in their sad belief that they already have all the answers - even though those answers were handed to them by those making money from the process - I would still not like to see them screwed over by the Pharma Industry just because they are too lazy to investigate and think things through themselves, like Mister T here.
What the hell is herd immunity?? You just made that up, right.
Last time I looked, no animals were lined up outside the drugstore to get their flu shots.
You wouldn't happen to be aware of the methods animals use to remain immune so that the herd can remain immune, would you.
I'd love to read about that.
Got a link??
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"The problem comes about because diseases, like any other organism have the capacity to mutate/evolve..."
Ya see, this is the sort of argument I keep getting in response. Its a circular debate argument.
Now, I've always respected your opinions in the forum, but here you are telling me that the unavaccinated are petri dishes and that the viruses they spawn are mutated versions of the virus that originally infected them and that the vaccinated do not have protection against these new strains, of course.
You pose this response because you know that Viruses Do Indeed Mutate.
Every year like clockwork, a brand new virus appears.
It is a simple step to then assume that this is the reason the unvaccinated can infect the vaccinated - that the vaccinated are actually cathing a mutated version of the virus.
Except that if this were the case, then the people who catch the flu after getting the flu shot would be catching a brand new flu - a mutated flu from any passing anti-vaxxer - and that is NOT the situation in the real world.
So all you have done is reword the magical power of the unvaccinated to infect the vaccinated by claiming erroneously, that viruses mutate into new viruses in the unvaccinated and that those they infect have actually caught a brand new strain of the flu.
However, this is not the case in practice. The Flu that the vaccinated catch after being vaccinated is always the same strain that happens to be floating around that year that everyone is catching.
If the scenario you propose was real, then each year we would produce hundreds of thousands of viral strains as each unvaccinated body spawned its own particular strain of the virus. It is patently absurd to try and convince me that every unvaccinated person spawns the exact same mutation.
I was rather hoping for some science in the reply, especially from you sir, but since this response lists a number of things that do not actually happens in the world outside, perhaps you'd like to try again.
ok. I'm obviously too thick to think this thing through by myself, so, could somebody out there, please take me through this thing slowly?
Please point out where I've left the track and fallen by the wayside:
Immunization via vaccination:
The process by which the human immune system is tricked into making the body immune to a specific disease, by injecting/ingesting the dead remains of the virus one hopes to eliminate, which triggers the production of antibodies that the body can use later against real infections of that particular virus.
This was apparent to researchers because once a person has caught, say; Flu Strain Zocha RT67-H99845445566-B, he or she is forever after immune to that particular strain of virus, because the body has produced an arsenal of weapons against that particular strain of virus.
Extremely sound science, which is why ProVaxxers are so sure they hold the winning hand, and why most of the smart people are pro vax leaning folks, as far as I can see.
All together, its a wonderful bit of reality; trick the body into thinking its been infected with a virus so it'll produce the needed ammunition to shoot that bug on sight.
So according to the above, injecting the dead remains of a virus into one's body will trigger the immune system to create t cells and other neat shit that forever bears the name of the virus they were made to kill and prevents that particular strain of virus from ever again causing that body grief. Immunization.
Immunization: the natural or un-natural ability to be 100% immune to some or many forms of disease.
Vaccination: inducing bodily Immunization procedures, re above, by injecting dead viral bodies into the body's blood stream via hypodermic injection.
So, if I get a vaccination against Flu #748993HH-R0488322-f, I am immune to the virus #748993HH-R0488322-f and it can no longer affect me because my body has produced the anti-bodies necessary to kill off #748993HH-R0488322-f whenever it needs to.
Seems pretty much cut and dried.
So, how come, every unvaccinated child who is carrying good old virus #748993HH-R0488322-f, can magically undo all of that and prevent those antobodies I got from being injected with the Anti #748993HH-R0488322-f vaccination, from doing their job - effectively causing me to catch good old flu #748993HH-R0488322-f.
No matter how I run this scenario, there is absolutely no way I can make it work except magic.
Somehow, the vaccinated person's "immunity" from the vaccination is utterly ineffective against the virus they are immune to when it comes from an unvaccinated person.
The virus spawned by the bodies of the unvaccinated are able to force the vaccinated to catch that viral infection.
Simply by their mere presence among the vaccinated?
Are the virus bodies from an un-vaccinated person different from the same virus found in the wild, if such a thing can even be said to exist?
The only way I can see all this hysteria making any sense at all, is if the virus you catch from the recycled air in KMart, is different somehow, than the very same virus spawned by a non-vaccinated person's body.
According to provax theory, the unvaccinated cannot be vaccinated against.
The virus they carry ignores any immunization aquired through vaccination.
Thus the fear of mothers all over the country, that one single child who is not vaccinated, can somehow, magically, make all of their fully vaccinated children catch the disease they are otherwise fully immunized against.
My science understanding tells me this is false and more of a circular debate argument, than a scientific theory/reality/concept.
This is why I cannot promote the vaccination business today. If the immunization is utterly ineffective against the unvaccinated, then it is simply ineffective period, and the industry is using this "unvaccinated people magically circumvent immune system antibodies in others" story to explain how all of the vaccinated end up catching the infection anyways.
Just blame it on the unvaccinated.
They are after all, the enemy of the Pharmacuetical Vaccination Industry and they have no way to defend themseves against the Scientific sounding accusations that label them as the enemy of the Vaccinated.
This fear makes many of the vaccinated people become part of the Pharma Industry's civilian volunteer Anti-Vaxxer Army, who will brow-beat and threaten the unvaccinated with arrest and incarceration or - the final solution - involuntary innoculation, if they can force lawmakers to pretend the constitution no longer applies to Anti-Vaxxers and write up laws that let people attack the unvaccinated. We're only a couple years from that point now already and a Trump Presidency should escalate that process exponentially.
If I am so uttery wrong on this topic, please show me where my logic has faltered above.
"Yes, The Democratic National Committee Flat Out Lied In Claiming No Donor Financial Info Leaked"
Geez. On the "Holy Shit, No Kidding" scale, this fails to make even an attempt at a mark.
On the bright side, at least you have to admit that these politicians are diligently doing the jobs you're paying them to do.
Lying to the Public is, after all, one of the modern world's highest paid professions.... and one especially adept at procuring that universally sought after All-American Capitalist's Untaxable and Unrecorded Income that arrives in the dead of the night in brown paper bags.
I hear the pickings in America are getting so small - what with the federal/local government, police and Wall Street freely robbing the population "by law" - that there's a migration of both professional and amateur American evil-doers heading to Canada, where "you can still tell who wears the white hats".
Don't worry though. They'll be back right after they taste real winter. In winter in Canada, all hats are white most of the time. :)
Just a guess of course, but methinks this be the first shot in the war to make Canada change its laws to better suit Hornywood's copyright law control.
After all, since thye're making up dollar numbers to claim as infringement-based revenue loss, imagine the amount of imaginairy dollars the MPAA pretends it loses to Evil Canadian Infringers every year!!!
I think this is just the MPAA demanding - through its corporate subsidiary, the American Department of Justice - that Canada obey the demands of its southern 5 Eyes partner, and change its laws, so Hollywood can start suing Canadians for the big bucks too.
If you can only make massively expensive shitty films that only sell well when nobody knows how bad they are, and its obvious that little startups can make better films and that your days are numbered as a gateway controller, its always nice to have a little nest egg stashed away, like say a few thousand copyrights that can make Hollywood the future's biggest US Copyright Troll.
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Re: Re:
"Strike 'rest' as they have also declared war on their own citizens."
Notice the word "again" in the first line above.
The first time the USG unofficially declared war on a population of civilians, was right after 9/11 and the population designated as the enemy, was indeed, the American Population.
Mind you, the groundwork for the secret legislation that gives this undeclared war its legal powers, was laid down during the War on Drugs.
You may even recall some stories way back when, about the lower-class civilian American Public being labelled as the "adversary". :)
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Spy VS Spy Cartoons
Two criminal organizations, just making sure that both stay within the bounds of their populace fleecing gentleman's agreement, in the only way they know how.
Nothing new to see here folks.
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ooops again
That was me above again.
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Die Scum! You're not on Copper Camera.
And as everyone must by now understand, the lack of consequences for their actions, due to the lack of video footage showing their crimes, combined with the common legal approval of the courts, will lead directly to an escalation of incidences of involunatary street suicide, or as its more commonly known, "suicide by cop".
As long as cops are protected from the consequences of their illegal actions by the simple decision of whether to record an event or not, their willingness and their ability to break the law while on duty will increase and more civilians will become victims of the long arm of the law.
Guaranteed.
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None so blind...
After all, that is exactly how all For-Profit Police Forces work and anything that will make the job easier or increase the amount of cash available for "confiscation", is absolutely certain to be utilized extensively.
Ask the Russians, the Chinese, or any of the myriad dictators that American tax-payer money supports around the world.
And in case you thought that the Police were there to capture criminals, well, the police know that should they capture and incarcerate too many crooks, that their budgets would be cut and they would have fewer excuses to employ technology that officially "catches terrorists and other bad guys."
Everything is going exactly as planned. :)
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A government; by any other name, still smells.
Should be less than a decade now, till we start getting some good old fashioned and obviously-illegal defense software for the home and office.
You know, little apps that can determine the presence of unauthorized "users", verify that they are indeed unauthorized, backtrack to their origin, ascertain that the origin is indeed the actual source of the intrusion and upload a nastygram-destructo-dragon-worm on the perps there, turning their computers into smouldering door-stops and ending that particular intrusion, in just a few seconds.
Yeah sure there will be some mistakes at first and a few innocents will be mistakenly cyber-assaulted, but time will force the public to begin demanding something for the defense of their property against a government that follows no rules and obeys no laws.
I'm hoping it is sooner, rather than later, because this situation is not going to get any better over time, when the perps are also the people who selectively uphold the laws of the land and who are themselves now only accountable to the set of secret rules and laws that they themselves wrote.
Push the public far enough and often enough and they will push back.
What does one call a "government" whose actions follow no rules and obey no laws?
A "gang" might suit.
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Re: Faith in vaccination
'Robert A. Heinlein'"
Aye. Vaccination today, is indeed a faith-based medicine, since, as I've just shown here, the Vaxxers never actually check out any "facts" offered by the Vaccination Industry's "scientists".
Whatever comes out of the mouth of the Vacc Industry, is to a Vaxxer, Gospel of the highest order, even if it is utterly illogical or even completely errorneous, such as the recent "terror program" the industry has sprerad among mothers, who now fear a single unvaccinated child can infect all their vaccinated children.
Somehow, all the supposedly intelligent Vaxxers accepted this Vaccination Industry spawned myth as gospel; instantly, without reservation, because it was "scientific". They repeated the Industry talking points with complete faith in the source.
This particular program is designed to gain popular support for the creation of laws that will double the Industry's profits over night - laws that will make it legal to arrest and incarcerate Anti-Vaxxers and eventually, allow the Industry to force innoculate the whole nation.
These laws will be based entirely on Vaccination Industry Gospel, unverified by any source other than the Vaccination Industry itself.
Because of Vaxxer indifference, soon it will be; Fuck The Constitution Time. Poke 'em all and let God Sort 'em out.
The Vaxxers never actually try to verify any of their "church's" claims pertaining to viral infection, Anti-Vaxxers or diseases, beyond simply checking the Sacred Industry's PR talking points bible to insure those lies in question are duly recorded therein as officially accepted "science facts", which the Vaxxers can use to browbeat the Anti-Vaxxer Infidels into submission.
When you add commerce to science, you end up with "for profit science", which even the slowest among you should realize, is not going to offer a whole lot of incentive to ending disease on earth, as disease is that industry's bread and butter.
For Profit Medical Science, would for example, never disclose any discovery that might lessen its own annual profitability, or threaten to cause its dissolution, such as; for example, discovering a cure for cancer, or even a discovery that shows cancer to be a simple fungus infection that could be treated using things that kill mushrooms...
...not when the Pharma Industry can earn the better portion of a half million tax-payer dollars per cancer victim before s/he dies within a decade of infection due to a chemo-therapy blasted immune system.
However, when it comes to Mister Heinlein., I prefer:
"One man's religion, is another man's belly laugh."
Robert Heinlein
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Re: Re: Modern medicine and its usefulness to society at large
I really hate seeing smart people tricked by corporations into doing their corporate dirty work for free.
According to ACTUAL SCIENCE, the Vaccinated are in just as much danger of infection from other Vaccinated, as they are from the un-vaccinated.
And no, you are NOT immune to all of those diseases you had shots for. Innoculated Immunity is fleeting, and as soon as the virus mutates beyond a certain point, your immunity is lost forever against that strain.
This has been a very good learning expeditiion.
I have learned that Vaxxers, as a rule, know as little about the subject as they think Anti-Vaxxers do.
Vaxxers think they have Science on their side, so they don't have to actually understand the processes they are arguing, because they have the Vaccination Industry's talking points instead.
Amazingly, these normally intelligent people will just use these talking points as if they were gospel truth, without actually verifying that truth, simnply because they trust that the Pharmeco Industry would never lie to them and that theses truth were scientifically proven to be truths.
In just a couple days, in one of the most informed and intelligent forums I know of, Vaxxers turned out to be far less aware of the realities behind their chosen science than I was, and I actually admitted I was behind in my understanding of the process. I have done little to no study on viruses since the 80s, when I last caught a flu virus.
It was also apparent that Vaxxers seldom admit they are wrong, because they seldom discover that they are wrong.
Their faith in the science behind vaccination, makes them believers in the Industry's "veracity" and turns them - still truly unaware that they are being lied to - into volunteer storm troopers for the Industry.
Nothing stated by anyone not from the industry can be believed, so Vaxxers go through life "knowing they have all the answers", and thus learn nothing because they hear no arguments from anyone deemed an Anti-Vaxxer.
And anyone who does not agree with their faith based belief system and argues that vaccination might not be all its been drummed up to be, or that we should be wary of trusting any corporation that has had the law fixed to make it immune to prosecution should any of its products cause harm, must be an Anti-Vaxxer and can be safely ignored.
Seems I learned far more about Vaxxers than about Vaccinations from this discussion. :)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: heheheheheheheheheherd Immunity!!!
Ah, the old Conspiracy Cannot Happen Because There Are; "any number of people involved in the process who would be willing to expose something like that."
Sounds good as long as you don't actually analyze the validity of the claim. After all, most employees are reasonably honest people who would naturally expose wrong doing they saw. Right.
With the current state of the Truth Free Press in America - TV, Radio and Newspaper - I think there has probably already been at least half a dozen such exposures of the Pharmaco Industry's crime spree pertaining to vaccinations specifically, that nobody here has ever heard about, unless they found it on the web, and definitely on one of the sites that no Vaxxer would be caught dead visiting. :)
There is also the simple fact that currently, exposing any of the Big Players, is social suicide and puts you in line for a court "contest" with a Multi-Billion Dollar Industry that has been perpetually protected at every turn by the Federal Government.
As can be surmised immediately, very few citizens have gone up against such monstrous opponents and returned from the now standard process of Shooting the Messenger, with anything resembling victory.
In fact, if you wanted to list all of them, it is very likely that you would have to look them up on the web, as they are - with perhaps the exception of Snowden - not exactly well known for their effort.
And even Snowden - arguably the best known of all the exposers of evil doers' machinations - who literally exposed the biggest crime spree in American History, could do nothing more than embarrass the perps slightly and momentarily, as they wrapped themselves in the law and retaliated massively, in search of vengence and in order to make an example so others don't repeat the mistake - a trick the USG members brought with them from their days in the MAFIA, no doubt.
Most Americans still think Snowden is a traitor, because they still believe their government is a government and not a fascist crime cartel.
This statement:
"...but there are any number of people involved in the process who would be willing to expose something like that..."
...should be followed by these statements:
"... but there are any number of people involved in the process, who would be willing to look the other way, for money, promotion, or to keep from losing their job."
...and;
"...but there are any number of people invilved in the process that fear for their lives if they should turncoat on their fellow conspirators."
Considering that most of these big scams include loss of life among the victims, its easy for fellow conspirators to realize their own life is also on the line, should they get caught or blow the whistle.
At least those who "go with flow" do actually get rewarded with cash, higher position, or by keeping their job, and perhaps their life, unlike those who blow the whistle, who have the fullest weight of law dropped on them by people who are backed by billions of dollars, and who are willing to go to any length to make the whistleblower appear to be the bad guy.
I would say that the split would be something like 9,999,999 people on the "flow" side, for every person who has considered becoming a whistle blower.
While whistle blowing might seem heroic to those who will never have to do such a thing, it means the utter end to one's "normal life", forever, and can indeed lead to official incarceration for crimes never committed, if the other perps don't kill you first.
I'm pretty sure the bad guys have this problem pretty well sewn up, but hey, all you Skeptics out there, if you want to retain your membership in the Conspiracy Nutter Hater Club, just ignore all of that.
Oh wait!
You already did!
Silly me. :)
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Conundrums
The very first thing that a Vaxxer thinks whenever confronted on this subject, is that their "opponent" is an Anti-Vaxxer, and thus, is a fool, stupid, uninformed and probably a conspiracy nut to boot.
Vaxxers tend to parrot pretty much exactly what the Pharma Industry propaganda claims, and apparently do not do a lot of logical thinking about the "facts" they repeat, because they believe these facts to be scientifically derived and thus personal verification through studious investigation is un-necessary.
The problem of course, is that this double standard makes it nearly impossible for Vaxxers to actually hear or read what their opponent is saying, because the Vaxxer has already decided that anyone who thinks Vaccination is not God's gift to humanity and that the Pharmeco Industry is not composed of only good honest scientists, is a total moron, and like Mister T, ignores anything they say, while claiming a personal victory for having "shot down" another Anti-Vaxxer Idiot in flames.
The reality starts to show up when these "claims" fall under logical scrutiny and begin to unravel.
It might do a world of good, if the Vaxxers were at least smart enough to realize they may NOT have all the answers yet. Because, as can be seen in just this small dialogue, Vaxxers do not have all the answers and can often be as superstitious and stubborn as they claim Anti-Vaxxers are.
One thing that can be said about the two sides in this argument, is that at least the Anti-Vaxxers are basing their dissent on their own experiences and their own investigations and conclusions. On the other hand, Vaxxers are nearly unanimously Pharmarmy Volunteers who repeat the "science" facts of the industry verbatim and act as Pharmaco Industry Brown Shirts, free of charge.
I'd love to see universal immunization, whether it be from vaccination or some other method not yet discovered.
However, because the current vaccination process is intrusive and includes the direct injection of substances into the human blood stream, every aspect of this process should be 100% public, and 150% transparent, to all.
The idea that this process - Universal Immunization - should be patented - kept secret - and thereafter belong to and be controlled by an entity whose ONLY PURPOSE is to make money by any means and who cannot be held accountable for any harm done by their products - even if the product is forcibly injected into an unwilling person by law - is truly one of the most naive and dangerous notions I've seen in decades and I'd personally like to help change that ASAP.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: heheheheheheheheheherd Immunity!!!
What counter argument??
I asked some questions and got a bunch of answers that either chose a single nit to pick on or simply dumped a small turd on the floor. Your own response was completely unreal and completely unexpected.
The Unvaccinated DO NOT produce new strains of the yearly virus in their bodies. Viruses are always changing - its their nature. Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated can be infected by a virus that differs significantly from the strain that their bodies are currently immune to.
I'm certain I'm not the only one who has noted that the part of my post about all those viral mutations in the unvaccinated being the cause of the vaccinated getting the flu they are immune to, not happening in the real world, has been thouroghly and studiously avoided.
However, I posted this particular article because it was the first one not by a government agency or the Pharma industry listed, that I could still copy and paste. The source sites of the other dissenting posts I tried, were no longer available.
I simply wanted to show that there is a "non-nutter" opinion out there that differs from the standard "Poke 'em all and let God sort 'em out" mentality of the Vaxxers, even on a site that a Vaxxer chooses to prove his point.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: heheheheheheheheheherd Immunity!!!
Yes viruses mutate.
I have never said viruses do not mutate.
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This process works as follows: a person infected with a particular flu virus develops antibody against that virus. As antigenic changes accumulate, the antibodies created against the older viruses no longer recognize the “newer” virus, and the person can get sick again. Genetic changes that result in a virus with different antigenic properties is the main reason why people can get the flu more than one time. This is also why the flu vaccine composition must be reviewed each year, and updated as needed to keep up with evolving viruses."
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This explains nicely, how people can get the flu they are immunized against, through simple accumulation of tiny minute changes in the viral DNA.
It does not state that the unvaccinated produce them, only that once infected by the yearly flu strain, the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike, may have antibodies that are "out-of-date" so to speak and unable to cope with the slightly altered version of the yearly virus.
This is however, NOT a new strain of the virus, merely the old strain with a new pair of shoes.
Your comment originally laid the blame for the creation of new virus strains at the feet of the unvaccinated, when in fact this mutation is constant and ongoing and extremely small, such that mutiple mutations of this sort might still not produce a virus different enough to fool the current immunization, be it natural or innoculated.
This is in fact, what I was looking for. Thanks again.
As I said, were your scenario true - each year would see millions of new strains of the yearly virus as the unvaccinated caused them to mutate, because each person would produce a slightly different version of the yearly virus.
You accepted the notion that all the infected unvaccinated people would create the very same mutation however, and that seems absurd on the face of it and should have sent out a warning that something was not as it should be.
The second form of mutation is actually the accumulation of those small changes in the first form above, where enough small changes have occurred to create a new strain the following year. Its where the yearly virus come from.
Somehow, the flu virus manages to become new every year, even when it does not create enough genetic changes during the flu season to infect the immune or the innoculated. This will be my next area of inquiry.
The third form of mutation is a huge abrupt shift to a brand new configuration and it does not occur inside the body of the unvaccinated either. This is the pandemic change and no vaccination will save you from that either, until after the medical people analyse the new strain and create an innoculation specific to it.
And just to reiterate, in case you did not read the last post I made, I fully agree that vaccination, when done correctly, works exactly as advertised. I have no problem with innoculating people against disease, although I'm a little leary of doing so using needles, after reading that article about anaphylaxis.
What I'm worried about is the Pharmna Industry's corporate mandate to make more money every year than the year before, and their proven willingness to fuck over anyone to achieve that goal and their legal get-out-of-jail-card for all wrong-doing.
While I believe that vaccination works, I believe also that modern vaccinations are designed specifically to weaken the human immune system, so that EVERYONE gets sicker more often and needs more Pharma drugs and Pharma procedures, more and more as time goes on.
The perfect match for making more money next year than this year.
I suspect that modern vaccinations are little more than toxic cocktails, injected into a willing public, by companies that CANNOT BE PROSECUTED BY LAW for killing people via their concoctions.
When you remove the consequences, there is nothing left to prevent fraud and deception, by the Pharma Industry.
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Re: Re: heheheheheheheheheherd Immunity!!!
Thasnks so much Mister T. :)
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‘Herd Immunity’: the misplaced driver of universal vaccination
The term, ‘herd immunity’, was coined by researcher, A W Hedrich, after he’d studied the epidemiology of measles in USA between 1900-1931. His study published in the May, 1933 American Journal of Epidemiology concluded that when 68% of children younger than 15 yrs old had become immune to measles via infection, measles epidemics ceased. For several reasons, this natural, pre-vaccine herd immunity differed greatly from today’s vaccine ‘herd immunity’.1,2
When immunity was derived from natural infection, a much smaller proportion of the population needed to become immune to show the herd effect; compare the 68% measles immunity required for natural herd immunity to the very high percentages of vaccine uptake deemed necessary for measles vaccine ‘herd immunity’. In his ‘Vaccine Safety Manual’, Neil Z Miller cites research which concluded increasing vaccine uptake necessary for ‘herd immunity’ ranging from “70 to 80 percent of two year olds in inner cities” in 1991 to “‘close to 100 percent coverage’…with a vaccine that is 90 to 98 percent effective.” in 1997.
Miller notes that, “When the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963, officials were confident that they could eradicate the disease by 1967.”
Subsequently, new dates for eradication were pronounced as 1982, 2000 and 2010. Meanwhile, “In 1990, after examining 320 scientific works from around the world, 180 European medical doctors concluded that ‘the eradication of measles…would today appear to be an unrealistic goal.’” And in 1984, Professor D. Levy of Johns Hopkins University had already “concluded that if current practices [of suppressing natural immunity] continue, by the year 2050 a large part of the population will be at risk and ‘there could in theory be over 25,000 fatal cases of measles in the U.S.A.'”
Disease-conferred immunity usually lasted a lifetime. As each new generation of children contracted the infection, the immunity of those previously infected was renewed due to their continual cyclical re-exposure to the disease; except for newly-infected children and the few individuals who’d never had the disease or been exposed to it, the ‘herd immunity’ of the entire population was maintained at all times.
Vaccine ‘herd immunity’ is hit-and-miss; outbreaks of disease sometimes erupt in those who follow recommended vaccine schedules. If they do actually “immunize”, vaccines provide only short-term immunity so, in an attempt to maintain ‘herd immunity’, health authorities hold ‘cattle drives’ to round up older members of the ‘herd’ for administration of booster shots. And on it goes, to the point that, now, it’s recommended we accept cradle-to-grave shots of vaccine against pertussis, a disease which still persists after more than sixty years of widespread use of the vaccine.
Russell Blaylock, MD remarks, “One of the grand lies of the vaccine program is the concept of “herd immunity”. In fact, vaccines for most Americans declined to non-protective levels within 5 to 10 years of the vaccines. This means that for the vast majority of Americans, as well as others in the developed world, herd immunity doesn’t exist and hasn’t for over 60 years.”3
In the pre-vaccine era, newborns could receive antibodies against infectious diseases from their mothers who had themselves been infected as children and re-exposed to the diseases later in life. Today’s babies born to mothers who were vaccinated and never exposed to these diseases do not receive these antibodies. In direct contrast to fear mongering disease “facts” and ‘herd immunity’ theories related by Public Health, most of today’s babies are more vulnerable than babies of the pre-vaccine era.
References:
1. “Monthly estimates of the child population ‘susceptible’ to measles, 1900-1931, Baltimore, Maryland”; A W Hedrich; American Journal of Epidemiology; May 1933 – Oxford University Press.
2. ‘Vaccine Safety Manual’ by Neil Z Miller; New Atlantean Press; 2008, 2009; pg 152.
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Re: Re: An open query
The Vaxxers demand unvaccinaterd children be removed from where their vaccinated children are because they believe that the unvaccinated will infect their vaccinated children. This is their false conclusion.
However, what you just posted above states that it is just as likely that a vaccinated child will catch the flu from another vaccinated child because neither the human immune system, nor the pharma vax are 100% effective.
This is the very first time I have read such a statement from any source on this topic and its very interesting.
While ignoring your implied insult, I have to agree fully with those 2 simple facts, but I have the feeling the vaxxers are not going to like your remark at all.
They have been happily doing Big Pharmas damage control job, blaming the failed vaccinations on the unvaccinated, and its not going to be easy for them to lose such a perfect scapegoat.
Yeah I know you meant this post to be a simple kick in the ass to some stupid anti-vaxxer, but thanks anyway.
Thats a chain-link I had not considered. :)
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Oh look, its all Bozos on this bus! Honk honk.
Nice bit of scientific procedure Paul.
Post TL;DR and then comment that its all shit anyway.
You must have a masters degree in Faith Learning.
And of course my comment remains unanswered, ignored in fact by both posters. As expected. :)
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I will get back to you on Herd Immunity as soon as I have read your citation, John Fenderson.
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To reiterate:
How is it that all those unvaccinated people who apparently produce new strains of the yearly flu virus inside their bodies, never actally produce any new strains of the yearly flu virus, and all those who get the flu, who were vaccinated against it, always catch the same yearly flu as everyone else, and NOT some newly minted anti-vaxxer bug.
If this was a serious scientific concept, then there would be millions of new strains every year as the unvaccinated mutated their copy of the yearly flu virus
into a million new unique strains.
Those of you still paying attention to the things that occur in the real world, might have noticed that this does not happen - in the real world. If it did, we would all be dead millenia ago.
If this is the only vector that the Vaxxers have to explain the apparent failure of the yearly vaccinations to prevent the vaccinated from getting the flu from the unvaccinated, its no wonder they just repeat the talking points rather than actually think about what they Believe to be true.
BTW - just so everyone is aware, I fully agree with the process of immunization by vaccination and I Believe that it works when done correctly.
However, I am also aware that today, corporate medical purpose does not include the curing elimination of diseases, because those are the money makers for the industry. To elimninate disease, is corporate suicide when disease is your income source.
Corporations, by their own rules, must alwasy make more money next year than this year ad infinitum, and they are willing to go to almost any lengths to see that desire realized.
I think the medical corporations have taken a successful method of eliminating disease and turned it instead into a better money maker by adultering the vaccination concoctions with things detrimental to health. In this way, they get the vaxxers to buy other drugs to fight the symptoms of the new maladies received from the vaccinations.
Easiest way to make big bux from this is to add shit that simply weakens the human immune system, so that Everyone can catch more diseases during the non-flu seasons and will need more pharma drugs to alleviate the symptoms from the other diseases they are no longer able to combat.
Only alleviate the symptoms because Pharma drugs never cure anything - they merely mask the symptoms, or turn off some body part to stop it from informing the body that something is wrong, like all your cold rememdies.
In fact, the science I know - I am 66 years old so my science facts may indeed be occassionally out of date somewhat - tells me that all a vaccination needs is dead viral bodies to trigger the immune system response.
My awareness of many facts surrounding this debate is weak because I have not caught the flu in over a quarter century so I never really had any inclination to study the process in detail until recently. So I ask questions.
To PaulT, asking questions is a sign of ignorance and weakness no doubt, an admittance that one does not know it all! Cest la vie eh.
What I do know is that Vaccinations today contain all sorts of unnecessaary and detrimental shit, much of it not listed on the single injection doses the customer sees, although it is listed on the package that those single does injectors come from, that the doctor reads.
I think you vaxxers are being royally screwed over annually and that you are pumping serious crap into your and your kids bodies and that its weakening your immune system, and even though most vaxxers act like incredibly arrogant assholes on this topic; in their sad belief that they already have all the answers - even though those answers were handed to them by those making money from the process - I would still not like to see them screwed over by the Pharma Industry just because they are too lazy to investigate and think things through themselves, like Mister T here.
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heheheheheheheheheherd Immunity!!!
I'm sorry.... what??
What the hell is herd immunity??
You just made that up, right.
Last time I looked, no animals were lined up outside the drugstore to get their flu shots.
You wouldn't happen to be aware of the methods animals use to remain immune so that the herd can remain immune, would you.
I'd love to read about that.
Got a link??
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"The problem comes about because diseases, like any other organism have the capacity to mutate/evolve..."
Ya see, this is the sort of argument I keep getting in response. Its a circular debate argument.
Now, I've always respected your opinions in the forum, but here you are telling me that the unavaccinated are petri dishes and that the viruses they spawn are mutated versions of the virus that originally infected them and that the vaccinated do not have protection against these new strains, of course.
You pose this response because you know that Viruses Do Indeed Mutate.
Every year like clockwork, a brand new virus appears.
It is a simple step to then assume that this is the reason the unvaccinated can infect the vaccinated - that the vaccinated are actually cathing a mutated version of the virus.
Except that if this were the case, then the people who catch the flu after getting the flu shot would be catching a brand new flu - a mutated flu from any passing anti-vaxxer - and that is NOT the situation in the real world.
So all you have done is reword the magical power of the unvaccinated to infect the vaccinated by claiming erroneously, that viruses mutate into new viruses in the unvaccinated and that those they infect have actually caught a brand new strain of the flu.
However, this is not the case in practice. The Flu that the vaccinated catch after being vaccinated is always the same strain that happens to be floating around that year that everyone is catching.
If the scenario you propose was real, then each year we would produce hundreds of thousands of viral strains as each unvaccinated body spawned its own particular strain of the virus. It is patently absurd to try and convince me that every unvaccinated person spawns the exact same mutation.
I was rather hoping for some science in the reply, especially from you sir, but since this response lists a number of things that do not actually happens in the world outside, perhaps you'd like to try again.
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An open query
ok. I'm obviously too thick to think this thing through by myself, so, could somebody out there, please take me through this thing slowly?
Please point out where I've left the track and fallen by the wayside:
Immunization via vaccination:
The process by which the human immune system is tricked into making the body immune to a specific disease, by injecting/ingesting the dead remains of the virus one hopes to eliminate, which triggers the production of antibodies that the body can use later against real infections of that particular virus.
This was apparent to researchers because once a person has caught, say; Flu Strain Zocha RT67-H99845445566-B, he or she is forever after immune to that particular strain of virus, because the body has produced an arsenal of weapons against that particular strain of virus.
Extremely sound science, which is why ProVaxxers are so sure they hold the winning hand, and why most of the smart people are pro vax leaning folks, as far as I can see.
All together, its a wonderful bit of reality; trick the body into thinking its been infected with a virus so it'll produce the needed ammunition to shoot that bug
on sight.
So according to the above, injecting the dead remains of a virus into one's body will trigger the immune system to create t cells and other neat shit that forever bears the name of the virus they were made to kill and prevents that particular strain of virus from ever again causing that body grief. Immunization.
Immunization: the natural or un-natural ability to be 100% immune to some or many forms of disease.
Vaccination: inducing bodily Immunization procedures, re above, by injecting dead viral bodies into the body's blood stream via hypodermic injection.
So, if I get a vaccination against Flu #748993HH-R0488322-f, I am immune to the virus #748993HH-R0488322-f and it can no longer affect me because my body has produced the anti-bodies necessary to kill off #748993HH-R0488322-f whenever it needs to.
Seems pretty much cut and dried.
So, how come, every unvaccinated child who is carrying good old virus #748993HH-R0488322-f, can magically undo all of that and prevent those antobodies I got from being injected with the Anti #748993HH-R0488322-f vaccination, from doing their job - effectively causing me to catch good old flu #748993HH-R0488322-f.
No matter how I run this scenario, there is absolutely no way I can make it work except magic.
Somehow, the vaccinated person's "immunity" from the vaccination is utterly ineffective against the virus they are immune to when it comes from an unvaccinated person.
The virus spawned by the bodies of the unvaccinated are able to force the vaccinated to catch that viral infection.
Simply by their mere presence among the vaccinated?
Are the virus bodies from an un-vaccinated person different from the same virus found in the wild, if such a thing can even be said to exist?
The only way I can see all this hysteria making any sense at all, is if the virus you catch from the recycled air in KMart, is different somehow, than the very same virus spawned by a non-vaccinated person's body.
According to provax theory, the unvaccinated cannot be vaccinated against.
The virus they carry ignores any immunization aquired through vaccination.
Thus the fear of mothers all over the country, that one single child who is not vaccinated, can somehow, magically, make all of their fully vaccinated children catch the disease they are otherwise fully immunized against.
My science understanding tells me this is false and more of a circular debate argument, than a scientific theory/reality/concept.
This is why I cannot promote the vaccination business today. If the immunization is utterly ineffective against the unvaccinated, then it is simply ineffective period, and the industry is using this "unvaccinated people magically circumvent immune system antibodies in others" story to explain how all of the vaccinated end up catching the infection anyways.
Just blame it on the unvaccinated.
They are after all, the enemy of the Pharmacuetical Vaccination Industry and they have no way to defend themseves against the Scientific sounding accusations that label them as the enemy of the Vaccinated.
This fear makes many of the vaccinated people become part of the Pharma Industry's civilian volunteer Anti-Vaxxer Army, who will brow-beat and threaten the unvaccinated with arrest and incarceration or - the final solution - involuntary innoculation, if they can force lawmakers to pretend the constitution no longer applies to Anti-Vaxxers and write up laws that let people attack the unvaccinated. We're only a couple years from that point now already and a Trump Presidency should escalate that process exponentially.
If I am so uttery wrong on this topic, please show me where my logic has faltered above.
Anyone?
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Home, home on deranged
Geez. On the "Holy Shit, No Kidding" scale, this fails to make even an attempt at a mark.
On the bright side, at least you have to admit that these politicians are diligently doing the jobs you're paying them to do.
Lying to the Public is, after all, one of the modern world's highest paid professions.... and one especially adept at procuring that universally sought after All-American Capitalist's Untaxable and Unrecorded Income that arrives in the dead of the night in brown paper bags.
I hear the pickings in America are getting so small - what with the federal/local government, police and Wall Street freely robbing the population "by law" - that there's a migration of both professional and amateur American evil-doers heading to Canada, where "you can still tell who wears the white hats".
Don't worry though. They'll be back right after they taste real winter. In winter in Canada, all hats are white most of the time. :)
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Welcome to the The United States of Hollywood
After all, since thye're making up dollar numbers to claim as infringement-based revenue loss, imagine the amount of imaginairy dollars the MPAA pretends it loses to Evil Canadian Infringers every year!!!
I think this is just the MPAA demanding - through its corporate subsidiary, the American Department of Justice - that Canada obey the demands of its southern 5 Eyes partner, and change its laws, so Hollywood can start suing Canadians for the big bucks too.
If you can only make massively expensive shitty films that only sell well when nobody knows how bad they are, and its obvious that little startups can make better films and that your days are numbered as a gateway controller, its always nice to have a little nest egg stashed away, like say a few thousand copyrights that can make Hollywood the future's biggest US Copyright Troll.
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