The issues was hotlinking the image, displaying an image in the page on one site even though the image is hosted by a different site which has to provide the bandwidth. So linking to the page which on Luong's site wouldn't be the same thing. I'd link to it myself, but I've been unable to find a page with the image (searching the Terra Galleria doesn't show anything relevant).
Hate crimes offer enhanced penalties for speech uttered during the commission of other crimes.
Hate crimes depend upon the motive of the perpetrator. Speech uttered by the perpetrator is merely evidence of that motive, it isn't a distinct legal type of thing.
Civil actions for discrimination also recognize "hate speech" against protected classes.
Civil discrimination is again dependant upon motive, and speech is again merely evidence, not a distinct legal entity.
This is just a wild guess, but it might be something like this: Deep Dot Web keeps being dropped as a customer by their ISP/bank/whatever because of what DDW does. The operator of one of the dark sites getting referrals from DDW also happens to have ownership in an ISP/bank/whatever, and uses that to force the whatever to take on and keep DDW as a customer, and in return DDW gives him a reduced fee for referrals. With that setup there's a money flow of dark site operator ā DDW ā whatever service ā dark site operator, and thus there's the structure of money laundering.
A citizen can't challenge the constitutionality of a law by just saying "this law is unconstitutional". They have to say "I do X, the law has or will make X illegal, and that's unconstitutional". In this case the feds have replied "no one will ever, ever use FOSTA to make X illegal, so those who do X don't have any dog in this fight".
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Now, you are not stating anything I think because don't have any principles wish to advance,
Sometimes I just want to understand someone's point of view, so I just ask questions.
Gosh, you'd better learn those [common law terms]
First, you're trying to exhaust me with questions, or wait me out, also trot out the old "name one" tactic.
Common law is a vast field, which is why I'm asking you to name a portion of it. You might be thinking of a part of common law I'm not familiar with, or thinking of a part which I am familiar with but applying it in a way that hasn't occurred to me. Or maybe you and I mean different things by "common law", in which case I have no hope of understanding you unless you explain things.
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Once slip at any time and the jig is up. Best avoided, since can.
So they set up websites with comments sections so they can take over abandoned accounts to avoid any possibility of detection? Sounds like too much work for too little gain, to me.
"Matthew Cline", who are you?
I'm a computer programmer. Socially liberal and fiscally/regulatorily sort-of libertarian-ish. I don't have much social media presence except here on Reddit.
... then you'll lose all faith.
Lose faith in what? For the most part (from what I can recall) neither the TD writers nor the commenters you claim are sock puppets say "you should believe me because I'm an expert" or "you should believe me because I have personal experience", but instead lay out arguments for their positions and against opposing positions, arguments that I treat the same as arguments from anonymous commenters. You claim that they're astroturfers, but the point of astroturfing is to create the false impression that a certain position is more popular than it actually is. I personally am not concerned with the (un)popularity of the positions, but the content of the arguments for and against them.
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you can either be immune (Sec 230) and accept that will be some comments you don't like, OR retain full editorial control like print media.
So if I, a (hypothetical) private blogger didn't want the responsibility of deciding which comments are or aren't illegal, I'd have to either allow all comments or allow none? That doesn't sound ideal, since I don't have the legal expertise to go deciding what is or isn't illegal, and wouldn't have the time to fact check every potentially defamatory comment, but at the same time wouldn't want to let trolls infest the comments section. Print media like newspapers (presumably) have a lawyer to consult and paid fact checkers.
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By common law terms,
Which common law principles? Can you name them?
I can't even use the horizontal rule here anymore because Masnick took it away from me
You just did use a horizontal rule. They must have changed which flavor of markdown they used to one that does horizontal rules differently than before. (And it's pretty out there to suggest that they'd take away a feature like that merely to spite a single anonymous commenter)
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A new email address could be traced, as I mentioned.
Anonymous email services exist which astroturfers could use, if they're concerned about lawsuits or governmental investigations uncovering their involvement.
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Also:
... that should be outlawed first of all to address the actual problem of corporations beginning to control ALL speech on the Internet.
1) Would that apply to non-profit corporations? Would a forum for a Christian non-profit have to allow comments from Satanists?
2) If I had a blog hosted by Blogger.com, could I legally remove comments and ban commenters as I saw fit since it's my personal blog, even though Blogger.com is owned by Google?
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... that should be outlawed first of all to address the actual problem of corporations beginning to control ALL speech on the Internet.
So would those corporations be unable to ban trolls and abusers? Or they could, but the banned user could challenge the ban in court, and if a jury found that they weren't a troll/abuser they'd get their account back and the corporation would have to pay a fine? Or what?
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Such that appears puzzling from our view is EASY when one has Admininstrator access.
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No, not selling, DOING.
So your claim is that the admins are sockpuppeting abandoned accounts? Again, I have to wonder why they'd bother taking over abandoned accounts when they can just create new ones. Especially since the people whose accounts were stolen might notice that their accounts were stolen and then raise a stink.
About "sleepers": someone find a link to a TD article that's interesting enough that they create an account to comment on it (or reflexively creates an account because they don't realize that anonymous commenting is possible), but there isn't any other articles that day that interest them, so they don't come back. Years later they find another link to a TD article, but that day there are enough other interesting articles to make them think "I like this site" and they stick around.
No, Iām not that guy,
Then how do you know that there's "fake commenters with fake names posting fake comments that are all bought and paid for"? Is it a "I know it when I see it" thing, or is there anything more concrete?
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What in the article implies otherwise?
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The issues was hotlinking the image, displaying an image in the page on one site even though the image is hosted by a different site which has to provide the bandwidth. So linking to the page which on Luong's site wouldn't be the same thing. I'd link to it myself, but I've been unable to find a page with the image (searching the Terra Galleria doesn't show anything relevant).
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And we should just take the word of a random person on the Internet because...?
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Also, I'm curious as to some examples of "genuine, intelligent conservatives" that you think have been silenced.
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Silenced how?
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Hate speech
Hate crimes depend upon the motive of the perpetrator. Speech uttered by the perpetrator is merely evidence of that motive, it isn't a distinct legal type of thing.
Civil discrimination is again dependant upon motive, and speech is again merely evidence, not a distinct legal entity.
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... what?
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Money laundering
This is just a wild guess, but it might be something like this: Deep Dot Web keeps being dropped as a customer by their ISP/bank/whatever because of what DDW does. The operator of one of the dark sites getting referrals from DDW also happens to have ownership in an ISP/bank/whatever, and uses that to force the whatever to take on and keep DDW as a customer, and in return DDW gives him a reduced fee for referrals. With that setup there's a money flow of dark site operator ā DDW ā whatever service ā dark site operator, and thus there's the structure of money laundering.
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A citizen can't challenge the constitutionality of a law by just saying "this law is unconstitutional". They have to say "I do X, the law has or will make X illegal, and that's unconstitutional". In this case the feds have replied "no one will ever, ever use FOSTA to make X illegal, so those who do X don't have any dog in this fight".
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That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage!
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Are you suggesting that online anonymity be prohibited, so you can always know exactly who any commenter is?
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Sometimes I just want to understand someone's point of view, so I just ask questions.
Common law is a vast field, which is why I'm asking you to name a portion of it. You might be thinking of a part of common law I'm not familiar with, or thinking of a part which I am familiar with but applying it in a way that hasn't occurred to me. Or maybe you and I mean different things by "common law", in which case I have no hope of understanding you unless you explain things.
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So they set up websites with comments sections so they can take over abandoned accounts to avoid any possibility of detection? Sounds like too much work for too little gain, to me.
I'm a computer programmer. Socially liberal and fiscally/regulatorily sort-of libertarian-ish. I don't have much social media presence except here on Reddit.
Lose faith in what? For the most part (from what I can recall) neither the TD writers nor the commenters you claim are sock puppets say "you should believe me because I'm an expert" or "you should believe me because I have personal experience", but instead lay out arguments for their positions and against opposing positions, arguments that I treat the same as arguments from anonymous commenters. You claim that they're astroturfers, but the point of astroturfing is to create the false impression that a certain position is more popular than it actually is. I personally am not concerned with the (un)popularity of the positions, but the content of the arguments for and against them.
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So if I, a (hypothetical) private blogger didn't want the responsibility of deciding which comments are or aren't illegal, I'd have to either allow all comments or allow none? That doesn't sound ideal, since I don't have the legal expertise to go deciding what is or isn't illegal, and wouldn't have the time to fact check every potentially defamatory comment, but at the same time wouldn't want to let trolls infest the comments section. Print media like newspapers (presumably) have a lawyer to consult and paid fact checkers.
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Which common law principles? Can you name them?
You just did use a horizontal rule. They must have changed which flavor of markdown they used to one that does horizontal rules differently than before. (And it's pretty out there to suggest that they'd take away a feature like that merely to spite a single anonymous commenter)
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Anonymous email services exist which astroturfers could use, if they're concerned about lawsuits or governmental investigations uncovering their involvement.
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Re: Wait a sec. Don't overlook the obvious, college boy.
Also:
1) Would that apply to non-profit corporations? Would a forum for a Christian non-profit have to allow comments from Satanists?
2) If I had a blog hosted by Blogger.com, could I legally remove comments and ban commenters as I saw fit since it's my personal blog, even though Blogger.com is owned by Google?
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Re: Wait a sec. Don't overlook the obvious, college boy.
So would those corporations be unable to ban trolls and abusers? Or they could, but the banned user could challenge the ban in court, and if a jury found that they weren't a troll/abuser they'd get their account back and the corporation would have to pay a fine? Or what?
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So your claim is that the admins are sockpuppeting abandoned accounts? Again, I have to wonder why they'd bother taking over abandoned accounts when they can just create new ones. Especially since the people whose accounts were stolen might notice that their accounts were stolen and then raise a stink.
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About "sleepers": someone find a link to a TD article that's interesting enough that they create an account to comment on it (or reflexively creates an account because they don't realize that anonymous commenting is possible), but there isn't any other articles that day that interest them, so they don't come back. Years later they find another link to a TD article, but that day there are enough other interesting articles to make them think "I like this site" and they stick around.
Then how do you know that there's "fake commenters with fake names posting fake comments that are all bought and paid for"? Is it a "I know it when I see it" thing, or is there anything more concrete?
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