In that sense remote areas of Finland already have robust access to the Internet by and large and build out to what's left shouldn't be too expensive I'm told.
I chat, every now and then, with people on high speed from fairly near the Arctic Circle so I'm taking on face value what they say.
We need to remember that this is a small, fairly populous and wealthy country by global standards.
The telephone network was built out to most of Finland prior to World War II in anticipation of a Soviet invasion. So that part of the infastructure has been there since then and has been followed by cable. Satellite providers are available all over Finland.
I had had a look at that site and it was, and still is, far to cute and self conscious about being cute for me to believe it's grassroots at all.
Still, nice to see them fess up as being the RIAA in "Canadian" clothing. Though to be truthful the Advisory Board seems quite as Toronto centric as the industry it claims to represent. Funny there's not a French name to be found there or a single name from Quebec. Or from outside Toronto as near as I could see. (Mississauga doesn't count.)
Pan-Canadian grassroots, eh?
(Funny too that such a group would use open source software to run their site off. I'd first thought it was Drupal because of they cutey pie look and then saw it's Wordpress, also guilty of cutey pie artwork.)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Since when have we ever preserved history?
"Throughout history we didn't have the technology to make copies, and culture survived."
Yet we did have the technology to make copies. We printed copies after moveable type was developed, hand copied scrolls, codexs (sp) and clay bricks before that, painted walls and temples or painted the interior of caves.
All this to tell our stories, to account for the wealth of our nation, tribe or group to become a culture.
The technology, to be sure, was by no means as efficient or fast as what we had now but it did exist and humans used it.
A lot ended up in the trash or was lost or we thought it was lost and later found it again or became able to interpret it again.
A lot will be or trashed now. Does anyone in the future really need a full season of Benny Hill or My Mother The Car? What would they think of mid 20th Century culture if that was all they had? Or if all they had was the Beatles?
That's not up to us to say but for those who come after of course.
Loosening up IP laws makes the most sense. Note that I did not say abandon them completely just the more extreme idiocy around them now. Allow archivists to copy, break DRM where necessary legally and give them the incentive to work on a system of read anywhere, store anywhere methods that aren't encumbered by copyright, patents or any other nonsense, in short public domain, documented protocols and formats that those who come after us can easily use.
Until now our archiving has been random. Paper and ink have been remarkably resilient, painting on stones and rocks more so. If we can we need to emulate that.
With places like this debating the issue with various levels of success and respect.
The rise of CC licenses and such and the increasing concern about the shrinking of the public domain by those who can be considered to be anything but extremists on the issue of copyright.
The concern about locking anything and everything behind patent walls without remembering that invention is part of human culture as well.
In fact our entertainment industries are, or want to be, in control of our culture.
And I don't trust government to keep out of the way even if, by some miracle, copyright and patents return to something close to their original intent in both time and scope. Politicians, at least, are far too beholden to the trays of money the entertainment industries have to offer.
In the end, as it's always been, it's up to the people, the citizenry to force the issue on a reluctant governing "class" which is becoming more mercantile by the second. But, thank God, we are finding ways.
You know, if I was lawyering or advising R2K just about the last person I'd want to cross is Nate Silver.
Not because he'd blast back with both barrels, not his style, but because the odds are what he did fire would hit and sink me on the first shot.
For the life of me I can't think of anyone in the polling business or who follows and reports on polling with more credibility than Silver and well deserved at that.
This is a perfect example of NOT how to threaten someone with a SLAP suit in the hopes of shutting them up.
"rather that the free product is not integrated in the same manner, and may or may not have any go forward support. the question often would be "who do you call for support?, and the answer would be "nobody"
Oh dear parroting the FUD line again? Look, before MS got into the corporate server act, with NT and somewhat seriously with Win2K most corporate servers were Unix or Novel. Even Windows servers are customized to some degree or other depending on what they do. Integration is the responsibility of the vendor the company chooses. It's just as easy to choose a MS vendor who collapses tomorrow as it is a Unix/Netware/Linux/BSD vendor. So choose carefully. Due diligence, right? THAT is where you get your support or any number of other locations. Problem with MS? Yes, lots of ads out there but then you have to separate the capable from the incompetent and I've seen far too many incompetent people who work in Windows only environments and the messes they can create.
"remember, the internet community thing is still pretty young, companies made their software choices in the past when linux was not a very good business option, and those companies continue down the path they have chosen"
So then, let's try this on.
In the early 90s when Linux development started there were still Unix companies around and the BSDs were stable and available to anyone who looked beyond the next MS ad. So Unix and BSD were good business options back then. MS's networking didn't mature, if it can be said to be mature now (quite a reach technically IMHO), until the release of Win2K.
Companies do change their networking and servers more often, it seems, than you realize.
"if anything, the free software universe may be taking license sales away from linux,"
Now, if any single statement you've made reveals your total and complete (willful) ignorance of both the FOSS world and Linux.
[shout on]
LINUX IS FREE SOFTWARE!
[/shout off]
Clear now? So just how does free software take away from what Linux already is? You don't need to buy an extravagantly expensive license to install, test, tweak and deploy a Linux server. Nor do you get caught in vendor lock in.
You're not a very good troll, just too ignorant for even that. Sad.
Re: Re: Re: You need to have a "market" before you can have a market share
"Sure, **IF** it did, but SME stands for "Small and Medium Enterprises"."
If you read my post you'd have noticed that I did say that your "market" (your narrow definition) was most likely to be Windows front to back than larger enterprises.
"Like your government, your local council, your water, electricity supply, your trading floor software, and most of the population."
Nice illusion there. Government is mixed, depending on application, most power suppliers use Linux for critical apps and networks, a large percentage of trading floor software is Linux or BSD (if it's good enough for NASA it's good enough for us) and I don't really care at this point what people use at home because it's not part of the discussion. (Nice diversion there, though).
"when I was running my own IT support company, I can tell you the number of Linux servers compared to the number of windows servers would be easily 100 or more to 1."
You obviously work in a different IT industry than I've been a a part of for nearly 4 decades or you're not paying attention. Then again, if the best you can do is Ma and Pa Pizza in Perth then perhaps you have a point. About the best an MSCE should and ought to get you.
"Usually more cost for linux "experts" (if you can find them) than it is to BUY MS's product, where support is as close as the phone book,"
Fail cause it's simply wrong. Right 10 years ago maybe but wrong now. Not even right a decade ago. Any Unix support type can support Linux, btw, cause they're remarkably similar.
And most MS support in the Yellow Pages are MSCE who are a total waste of space should anything serious go wrong.
"i just have to laugh and you htink this will increase the case to allow foreign investment into canada your utterly insane."
There's this certain illusion with respect to CanCon that says that all the entertainment industry stuff somehow ends up on TV and radio and suchlike.
Of course, that's false and always has been. Just tell that to the movie crews and television crews crawling all over the Lower Mainland of British Columbia most of whom are funded by Americans or the Brits. So the investment is already there.
Recording studios litter places like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal and are open to all regardless of CanCon. In fact, if they relied on Canadians they'd go bust, in all likelihood.
As for ACTA itself, someone below mentions that it violates some provisions of the US Constitution and will likely be shot full of holes in the courts.
I'd also say that it violates sections of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Canadian Constitution, the BNA Act, precidence and even Magna Carta, come to that.
ACTA may survive a minority Commons and may get through the Senate in some form or other but I certainly can't see it surviving in present form in the courts.
Of course, if Harper wants to make it a matter of confidence then let's go! We need a winter election to break up the doldrums anyway and it's a nice stimulus measure. ;-)
"business people like their answers quickly and from an authoritative source. upper management isnt thrilled by "bob on the internet said we should...". they want to know that someone from a company they trust is on the job."
The reality is that, maintenance contracts aside, the best answers DO come fom "bob on the intenet" and that's happening with increasing frequency. Operating systems are highly complex by nature and no one is authoritative on all of it. No one. That problem increases with Windows because the source isn't avaialable to review both outside Redmond or inside it if you work in the "wrong" silo.
So if, internally they use Windows are are happy with it and the eternal never ending reboots and security issues more power to them. More expense too.
And you are right that these things are not changed on a whim but the reality is that from the first server out from the workstatons back to the main servers the OS is immaterial. Actually, the server the workstations connect to is largely immaterial as well IF it doesn't serve applications. As long as the data can be shuffled back and forth it doesn't matter.
Never mind the reality that most self contained servers such as those that come from Cisco and others are running Linux or BSD whether Windows is running in a virtual session or not. Virtually all self contained smart/intelligent routers run Linux too. So there you go. Most corporate networks do, in fact, run Linux and a lot of it and the neverous execs probably have no idea. (It's obvious you don't have a clue.)
For small and smaller medium sized businesses Windows networks are fine, easily maintained and robust enough. Once a certain size and complexity line gets crossed if you stick with Windows you're gonna have problems anda lot of them. And that were 'Nix servers whether they're Linux, one of the BSDs, Solairis, Open Solaris etc shine. 'Nix what built from the ground up to network. No awkward tack on code to a code base that's 30 years old and never updated cause it's buried so deep. (Unless you were SCO.)
Re: You need to have a "market" before you can have a market share
A market, actually, includes things such as free and gifting because if you exclude that you distort the market.
Then, of course, you proceed to distort the market.
"Most SME's use a windows based server system, for their internal networks and data systems."
If my SME you mean subject matter expert then I'll challenge that one right away. Many companies use variations of 'Nix out there and Microsoft only for the last jump where they do at all. Conmpanies, and there are many, universities and governments who lease facilities and the expertise of IBM are Linux from beginning to end. No one in their right mind would run a MS server and certainly NOT IIS on the perimeter. Novel offers beginning to end Linux solutions and is doing well by it.
The server business on Linux is huge and not dominated by MSCEs which must the the most looked down on certification available.
All telephone switching is done using a variant of 'Nix, either Linux or BSD because they have to be survivable which Windows, for all it's advances, isn't and never will be as long as it relies on the "registry" to function. And the manufacturers "roll their own" versions and variations and most give back to the community. Same for key systems and switchboards.
The Mars rovers are Linux cause NASA can "roll their own" to their own needs and specifications something they cannot do with Windows.
The most powerful supercomputer on the planet is runnig Linux. Not bad for a failure.
The backbone servers of the Internet are, now, only Linux and most DNS severs out there are Linux or NetBSD.
"Which means there are really no commercially viable product coming from FOSS"
MySQL anyone?
"...the only prodct worth using from from is the free stuff. And often even then its not worth it.
Your better off paying good money for good product, and that is what most people do."
About now you're reminding me of a couple of ZDNet trollers, one nicked Loverock Davidson and the other one known as NoAxeToGrind. Like them you resort to fantasy if reality and facts don't suffice.
Incidentally the spelling and grammar would indicate Lovey though by now he'd be on his screed about having to compile all FOSS from scratch and so on.
The guy writing the blog cited by Mike is a PR guy. Statistics are probably well beyond him. They're beyond you too.
One more time, repeat after me, the "market", an undistorted one, includes the free, the gifted and the donated. It certainly is not confined to paid product all the time.
Actually, those who use Linux don't just use if because it's nominally free they use it for any number of reasons going from that it's far more secure than Windows, it's customizable unlike Windows, it's scalable from small (devices) to huge (mainframes) from slow (a watch) to fast (a supercomputer).
And this is for intelligent people not Windows fanbois or ZDNet trollers.
Actually the blues scene in England had been around quite a while before Zeppelin appeared on the scene.
The earliest edition of the John Mayall's Bluesbreakers was in 1961 or 62 (I think) and that collection featured the likes of Peter Green, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and others before Paige joined up. (Also Mick Fleetwood & John MacVie)
So Paige, as a player has a good pedigree. On the other hand the Bluesbreakers were largely a cover band so songwriting wasn't a strong point of that "school".
(The Stones were heavily influenced by the London based British Blues movement,too.)
The songwriter was likely just as influenced by the Bluesbreakers as he was by The Yardbirds, all of whom were Bluesbreakers grads themselves.
"it was the crazy original style of arrangement and production that really defined the "psychedelic rock" sound."
I'm not so sure that Led Zep I did anything of the sort, to tell you the truth. Psychedlia was well established before the album appeared in North America.
What the record did do was to establish the sound of heavy British blues, something The Yardbirds had failed at. To some degree they defined it.
Along with the sound and playing of The Kinks and The Who, Led Zeppelin would serve as a model for what became Heavy Metal. For example Deep Purple got it's start as a blues band similar to Zep.
Let's just hand over the sum totality of human culture to these people and their allies who are obviously much better at protecting, persevering and extending it than anything in human history ever has.
Let's forget the Smithsonian, The British Museum, The Louvre and everything that came before. Forget universities, places which preserve and protect ancient and older works.
Forget political and civil rights! What the hell's wrong with you!? Don't you know there's money to be made!!!!!!!
These entertainment people know exactly how to protect it, now and forever under permanent and eternal copyright and patents going back to the construction of the pyramids!
After all, we are the entertainment industry, monopolists through and through and we own your governmnets!
In fact we are Vandals LLC, and we own everything!
Given what happened with Disney and Homeland Security...
They'd be raided, declared organized criminals and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Simple, really.
Then 20 years from now we'll be treated to a serial about some famous Homeland Security agent with an obnoxious, dangerous and often murderous attitude (not that Eliot Ness was like that at all or that J Edgar Hoover was ever gay!) that will try to convince our great grandchildren that he was a hero who saved such cultural icons as Minne Mouse and the 1950s Mousketters!
Somewhere old Walk is laughing, crying or both at the same time!
It's an odd use of the term socialist to define an action that's much closer to classic merchantilism that any known variety of socialism. You know, Hudson Bay Company, East India Company and all the rest of them?
Still, it's odd that, somehow, downloading a crappy video of a Disney movie can be equated with any form of national security.
On the post: Broadband Is Now A Legal Right In Finland
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I chat, every now and then, with people on high speed from fairly near the Arctic Circle so I'm taking on face value what they say.
We need to remember that this is a small, fairly populous and wealthy country by global standards.
The telephone network was built out to most of Finland prior to World War II in anticipation of a Soviet invasion. So that part of the infastructure has been there since then and has been followed by cable. Satellite providers are available all over Finland.
Cost, in this case, is minimal.
On the post: Supposed 'Grass Roots' Site Pushing For Canadian DMCA Admits That It's Funded By The Recording Industry
Nice Canada Day Story, Mike!
Still, nice to see them fess up as being the RIAA in "Canadian" clothing. Though to be truthful the Advisory Board seems quite as Toronto centric as the industry it claims to represent. Funny there's not a French name to be found there or a single name from Quebec. Or from outside Toronto as near as I could see. (Mississauga doesn't count.)
Pan-Canadian grassroots, eh?
(Funny too that such a group would use open source software to run their site off. I'd first thought it was Drupal because of they cutey pie look and then saw it's Wordpress, also guilty of cutey pie artwork.)
On the post: Parents Television Council Demands Details Of Comcast's Porn Revenue
Re: Why is porn a bad thing
On the post: How Copyright Is Denying Us Our Own History
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Since when have we ever preserved history?
Yet we did have the technology to make copies. We printed copies after moveable type was developed, hand copied scrolls, codexs (sp) and clay bricks before that, painted walls and temples or painted the interior of caves.
All this to tell our stories, to account for the wealth of our nation, tribe or group to become a culture.
The technology, to be sure, was by no means as efficient or fast as what we had now but it did exist and humans used it.
A lot ended up in the trash or was lost or we thought it was lost and later found it again or became able to interpret it again.
A lot will be or trashed now. Does anyone in the future really need a full season of Benny Hill or My Mother The Car? What would they think of mid 20th Century culture if that was all they had? Or if all they had was the Beatles?
That's not up to us to say but for those who come after of course.
Loosening up IP laws makes the most sense. Note that I did not say abandon them completely just the more extreme idiocy around them now. Allow archivists to copy, break DRM where necessary legally and give them the incentive to work on a system of read anywhere, store anywhere methods that aren't encumbered by copyright, patents or any other nonsense, in short public domain, documented protocols and formats that those who come after us can easily use.
Until now our archiving has been random. Paper and ink have been remarkably resilient, painting on stones and rocks more so. If we can we need to emulate that.
On the post: How Copyright Is Denying Us Our Own History
Re: Something to think about
With places like this debating the issue with various levels of success and respect.
The rise of CC licenses and such and the increasing concern about the shrinking of the public domain by those who can be considered to be anything but extremists on the issue of copyright.
The concern about locking anything and everything behind patent walls without remembering that invention is part of human culture as well.
In fact our entertainment industries are, or want to be, in control of our culture.
And I don't trust government to keep out of the way even if, by some miracle, copyright and patents return to something close to their original intent in both time and scope. Politicians, at least, are far too beholden to the trays of money the entertainment industries have to offer.
In the end, as it's always been, it's up to the people, the citizenry to force the issue on a reluctant governing "class" which is becoming more mercantile by the second. But, thank God, we are finding ways.
On the post: Research 2000 Sends Cease & Desist To FiveThirtyEight For Discussing DailyKos Concerns
...Insert both feet fully in mouth to the knees
Not because he'd blast back with both barrels, not his style, but because the odds are what he did fire would hit and sink me on the first shot.
For the life of me I can't think of anyone in the polling business or who follows and reports on polling with more credibility than Silver and well deserved at that.
This is a perfect example of NOT how to threaten someone with a SLAP suit in the hopes of shutting them up.
In the words of Bugs Bunny: "What a maroon!!"
On the post: Microsoft's Comparison To Linux In The Server Market Conveniently Leaves Out Free
Re: Re: Re:
"rather that the free product is not integrated in the same manner, and may or may not have any go forward support. the question often would be "who do you call for support?, and the answer would be "nobody"
Oh dear parroting the FUD line again? Look, before MS got into the corporate server act, with NT and somewhat seriously with Win2K most corporate servers were Unix or Novel. Even Windows servers are customized to some degree or other depending on what they do. Integration is the responsibility of the vendor the company chooses. It's just as easy to choose a MS vendor who collapses tomorrow as it is a Unix/Netware/Linux/BSD vendor. So choose carefully. Due diligence, right? THAT is where you get your support or any number of other locations. Problem with MS? Yes, lots of ads out there but then you have to separate the capable from the incompetent and I've seen far too many incompetent people who work in Windows only environments and the messes they can create.
"remember, the internet community thing is still pretty young, companies made their software choices in the past when linux was not a very good business option, and those companies continue down the path they have chosen"
So then, let's try this on.
In the early 90s when Linux development started there were still Unix companies around and the BSDs were stable and available to anyone who looked beyond the next MS ad. So Unix and BSD were good business options back then. MS's networking didn't mature, if it can be said to be mature now (quite a reach technically IMHO), until the release of Win2K.
Companies do change their networking and servers more often, it seems, than you realize.
"if anything, the free software universe may be taking license sales away from linux,"
Now, if any single statement you've made reveals your total and complete (willful) ignorance of both the FOSS world and Linux.
[shout on]
LINUX IS FREE SOFTWARE!
[/shout off]
Clear now? So just how does free software take away from what Linux already is? You don't need to buy an extravagantly expensive license to install, test, tweak and deploy a Linux server. Nor do you get caught in vendor lock in.
You're not a very good troll, just too ignorant for even that. Sad.
On the post: Microsoft's Comparison To Linux In The Server Market Conveniently Leaves Out Free
Re: Re: Re: You need to have a "market" before you can have a market share
If you read my post you'd have noticed that I did say that your "market" (your narrow definition) was most likely to be Windows front to back than larger enterprises.
"Like your government, your local council, your water, electricity supply, your trading floor software, and most of the population."
Nice illusion there. Government is mixed, depending on application, most power suppliers use Linux for critical apps and networks, a large percentage of trading floor software is Linux or BSD (if it's good enough for NASA it's good enough for us) and I don't really care at this point what people use at home because it's not part of the discussion. (Nice diversion there, though).
"when I was running my own IT support company, I can tell you the number of Linux servers compared to the number of windows servers would be easily 100 or more to 1."
You obviously work in a different IT industry than I've been a a part of for nearly 4 decades or you're not paying attention. Then again, if the best you can do is Ma and Pa Pizza in Perth then perhaps you have a point. About the best an MSCE should and ought to get you.
"Usually more cost for linux "experts" (if you can find them) than it is to BUY MS's product, where support is as close as the phone book,"
Fail cause it's simply wrong. Right 10 years ago maybe but wrong now. Not even right a decade ago. Any Unix support type can support Linux, btw, cause they're remarkably similar.
And most MS support in the Yellow Pages are MSCE who are a total waste of space should anything serious go wrong.
Anyway, have fun.
On the post: Homeland Security Works For Disney Now? Announces Shut Down Of Movie Sites At Disney
Re: more proof your country is doomed
There's this certain illusion with respect to CanCon that says that all the entertainment industry stuff somehow ends up on TV and radio and suchlike.
Of course, that's false and always has been. Just tell that to the movie crews and television crews crawling all over the Lower Mainland of British Columbia most of whom are funded by Americans or the Brits. So the investment is already there.
Recording studios litter places like Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal and are open to all regardless of CanCon. In fact, if they relied on Canadians they'd go bust, in all likelihood.
As for ACTA itself, someone below mentions that it violates some provisions of the US Constitution and will likely be shot full of holes in the courts.
I'd also say that it violates sections of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Canadian Constitution, the BNA Act, precidence and even Magna Carta, come to that.
ACTA may survive a minority Commons and may get through the Senate in some form or other but I certainly can't see it surviving in present form in the courts.
Of course, if Harper wants to make it a matter of confidence then let's go! We need a winter election to break up the doldrums anyway and it's a nice stimulus measure. ;-)
Happy Canada Day, all!
On the post: Microsoft's Comparison To Linux In The Server Market Conveniently Leaves Out Free
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
The reality is that, maintenance contracts aside, the best answers DO come fom "bob on the intenet" and that's happening with increasing frequency. Operating systems are highly complex by nature and no one is authoritative on all of it. No one. That problem increases with Windows because the source isn't avaialable to review both outside Redmond or inside it if you work in the "wrong" silo.
So if, internally they use Windows are are happy with it and the eternal never ending reboots and security issues more power to them. More expense too.
And you are right that these things are not changed on a whim but the reality is that from the first server out from the workstatons back to the main servers the OS is immaterial. Actually, the server the workstations connect to is largely immaterial as well IF it doesn't serve applications. As long as the data can be shuffled back and forth it doesn't matter.
Never mind the reality that most self contained servers such as those that come from Cisco and others are running Linux or BSD whether Windows is running in a virtual session or not. Virtually all self contained smart/intelligent routers run Linux too. So there you go. Most corporate networks do, in fact, run Linux and a lot of it and the neverous execs probably have no idea. (It's obvious you don't have a clue.)
For small and smaller medium sized businesses Windows networks are fine, easily maintained and robust enough. Once a certain size and complexity line gets crossed if you stick with Windows you're gonna have problems anda lot of them. And that were 'Nix servers whether they're Linux, one of the BSDs, Solairis, Open Solaris etc shine. 'Nix what built from the ground up to network. No awkward tack on code to a code base that's 30 years old and never updated cause it's buried so deep. (Unless you were SCO.)
On the post: Microsoft's Comparison To Linux In The Server Market Conveniently Leaves Out Free
Re: You need to have a "market" before you can have a market share
Then, of course, you proceed to distort the market.
"Most SME's use a windows based server system, for their internal networks and data systems."
If my SME you mean subject matter expert then I'll challenge that one right away. Many companies use variations of 'Nix out there and Microsoft only for the last jump where they do at all. Conmpanies, and there are many, universities and governments who lease facilities and the expertise of IBM are Linux from beginning to end. No one in their right mind would run a MS server and certainly NOT IIS on the perimeter. Novel offers beginning to end Linux solutions and is doing well by it.
The server business on Linux is huge and not dominated by MSCEs which must the the most looked down on certification available.
All telephone switching is done using a variant of 'Nix, either Linux or BSD because they have to be survivable which Windows, for all it's advances, isn't and never will be as long as it relies on the "registry" to function. And the manufacturers "roll their own" versions and variations and most give back to the community. Same for key systems and switchboards.
The Mars rovers are Linux cause NASA can "roll their own" to their own needs and specifications something they cannot do with Windows.
The most powerful supercomputer on the planet is runnig Linux. Not bad for a failure.
The backbone servers of the Internet are, now, only Linux and most DNS severs out there are Linux or NetBSD.
"Which means there are really no commercially viable product coming from FOSS"
MySQL anyone?
"...the only prodct worth using from from is the free stuff. And often even then its not worth it.
Your better off paying good money for good product, and that is what most people do."
About now you're reminding me of a couple of ZDNet trollers, one nicked Loverock Davidson and the other one known as NoAxeToGrind. Like them you resort to fantasy if reality and facts don't suffice.
Incidentally the spelling and grammar would indicate Lovey though by now he'd be on his screed about having to compile all FOSS from scratch and so on.
The guy writing the blog cited by Mike is a PR guy. Statistics are probably well beyond him. They're beyond you too.
One more time, repeat after me, the "market", an undistorted one, includes the free, the gifted and the donated. It certainly is not confined to paid product all the time.
Actually, those who use Linux don't just use if because it's nominally free they use it for any number of reasons going from that it's far more secure than Windows, it's customizable unlike Windows, it's scalable from small (devices) to huge (mainframes) from slow (a watch) to fast (a supercomputer).
And this is for intelligent people not Windows fanbois or ZDNet trollers.
On the post: Folk Singer Just Notices That Led Zeppelin May Have Copied His Song Forty Years Ago
Re:
On the post: Folk Singer Just Notices That Led Zeppelin May Have Copied His Song Forty Years Ago
Re:
The earliest edition of the John Mayall's Bluesbreakers was in 1961 or 62 (I think) and that collection featured the likes of Peter Green, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and others before Paige joined up. (Also Mick Fleetwood & John MacVie)
So Paige, as a player has a good pedigree. On the other hand the Bluesbreakers were largely a cover band so songwriting wasn't a strong point of that "school".
(The Stones were heavily influenced by the London based British Blues movement,too.)
The songwriter was likely just as influenced by the Bluesbreakers as he was by The Yardbirds, all of whom were Bluesbreakers grads themselves.
On the post: Folk Singer Just Notices That Led Zeppelin May Have Copied His Song Forty Years Ago
Re:
I'm not so sure that Led Zep I did anything of the sort, to tell you the truth. Psychedlia was well established before the album appeared in North America.
What the record did do was to establish the sound of heavy British blues, something The Yardbirds had failed at. To some degree they defined it.
Along with the sound and playing of The Kinks and The Who, Led Zeppelin would serve as a model for what became Heavy Metal. For example Deep Purple got it's start as a blues band similar to Zep.
On the post: Music Publishers Keep Lashing Out At Consumer Groups; Those Who Respect Individuals' Rights
Now I Get It
Let's forget the Smithsonian, The British Museum, The Louvre and everything that came before. Forget universities, places which preserve and protect ancient and older works.
Forget political and civil rights! What the hell's wrong with you!? Don't you know there's money to be made!!!!!!!
These entertainment people know exactly how to protect it, now and forever under permanent and eternal copyright and patents going back to the construction of the pyramids!
After all, we are the entertainment industry, monopolists through and through and we own your governmnets!
In fact we are Vandals LLC, and we own everything!
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Given what happened with Disney and Homeland Security...
Simple, really.
Then 20 years from now we'll be treated to a serial about some famous Homeland Security agent with an obnoxious, dangerous and often murderous attitude (not that Eliot Ness was like that at all or that J Edgar Hoover was ever gay!) that will try to convince our great grandchildren that he was a hero who saved such cultural icons as Minne Mouse and the 1950s Mousketters!
Somewhere old Walk is laughing, crying or both at the same time!
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Seems to be about 0 difference between the two on this one.
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Re: Sarah Palin?
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Re: Corporate Welfare
Still, it's odd that, somehow, downloading a crappy video of a Disney movie can be equated with any form of national security.
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Re: Open Source is a failure,,, sadly..
Thanks!
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