The most common model suggested is art as advertisement. You'll note people are in an ever increasing spiral of being sick and tired of advertisement in or entwined with their art. The captive audience is sort of necessary for that to work in any huge way. Otherwise you're just selling tee shirts.
I get the feeling the big boys like being able to pay big bucks for the best artists, and need a way to be able to afford to pay them off not to make art that undermines their interests. Artists are notorious troublemakers. =)
"Because a fully automatic weapon costs tens of thousands of dollars."
It costs a few moments of a machinists time. That's another aspect of gun control few people want to address. Just how far down the food chain of technology would you like us to ban to prevent simply work-arounds for your myopic bans?
I am so sick of people who have not a single, solitary clue what they are talking about spewing off as if they have moral and intellectual insights about something that has been settled for two hundred plus years.
In Mexico, fully automatic weapons are used in crime constantly despite their far more restrictive gun control laws. The reason cartels don't do that here is because they know the US would invade Columbia and burn their crops if they behaved towards us the way they behave in Mexico.
Being the biggest kid on the block still has SOME fringe benefits.
"How about actually addressing the issue of economic imbalance in society that that has sky-rocketed in recent years that could quite possibly be causing certain people to snap under the pressure and resort to drastic violent measures?"
Amen. I do believe you could even find a study or seventy that point out that economic imbalance causes social unrest and violence, not to mention a goodly fistful of historic examples.
I tried to get someone to talk about this early on... It seems to me all they are trying to do is make buying video games beyond a certain rating illegal for people under a certain age. What exactly IS the law we are all so up in arms about? I can't find hide nor hair of it anywhere.
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That's similar. I too think trademark is a separate issue, and find most "copyleft" people agree. Trademark is more about truth in advertising.
There are parts of tech though that seem to turn around so quickly that 5 years is too long. This gets talked about so little, it is hard to get a solid handle on what would be best.
"...this sort of thing will not stop either, until there is no way for politicians to be able to receive 'funding' of any sort from anyone, anywhere for anything!"
This is a little hyperbolic, but it touches on a concern I have that I do not think gets enough attention - the role of banking as it pertains to the use of IP law. I think much of the resistance we are seeing from the so called "legacy" players is that without IP, investment confidence breaks down. People do not want to fund either technological research or large scale artistic projects without knowing that they can reasonably expect the people they paid to be the ones making money off of the outcome, because that is necessary in order to get their investment back out of them.
Since money is fiat, and oligarchical if not entirely centralized, and finally is a finite resource, the synergies that allow human progress to amount to more than the sum of their parts do not come into play. We are talking about having human progress being forced to be a part of a zero sum game. There's only x amount of money. Whoever has it, wins. If your way of doing things cannot be shoehorned into that system, then that system's adherents are going to fight for their lives.
Any solution to IP has to come with a solution to the banking issue as well, I fear.
Seeing as how fair use is under constant attack by the same operators that are seeking the expansion of copyright, no. No, I don't think not "taking" material is the answer at all. I am in perfect agreement with you, Fenderson.
Yeah, this really strikes at the heart of the matter. Corporations should not be surrogates for the government. This, in fact, goes even farther than my concern about monopolies.
It should almost be a given that someone can deny you service if you use it to break the law. The question then is, did you really break the law?
A six strikes policy against aggravating a third party WOULD be self destructive if not for the monopoly, but the policy combined with the monopoly leaves the ISP serving the role of government agent.
We see similar things all the time with drug testing, but I am not sure how the courts will roll on this. I know lawyers all over the place are scrambling to look for the legal angle on this though that will shut it down. The current establishment needs copyright badly, and I'm not talking just about Hollywood here.
I hadn't played a video game in years, and the game that suckered me back in?
Grand Theft Auto IV....
So um.... I guess I like violent, filthy video games.
In GTA IV's defense, the smut is not particularly graphic... I don't know how much of a defense that actually is given the graphic nature of the VIOLENCE, but the smut is pretty tame.
Apparently violent misogyny is ok as long as it's not sexually graphic.
Another non smoker here who thinks smoking laws have gone too far. Then again, I think drunk driving laws are starting to go too far too. They have this thing here in Austin from time to time, "no refusal" such and such a day. If you refuse a breathalizer, they'll take that as probable cause. They have judges set up working overtime to then rubber stamp warrants to take your blood instead.........
It's actually your purposeful obfuscation getting in the way here, which you revealed in the very first response to me where you attempted to make the point that ISP's are a virtual monopoly in violation of a lot of anti-trust law we have in place is somehow out of the blue.
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Indeed, and having a tail of ranting attached to said pink lettering is even less so.
"Reporting" a post with no particularly offensive text in it is a rather clear attempt at getting rid of it though. The funny thing is that when he begins to resort to personal attacks and foul language, THOSE posts go unreported.
Here is where you are coming unglued. Things like this, if we could only get more rich and powerful people to say them, would get the ball rolling in the direction I want it rolled much more quickly than it is now.
The reality though is that a six strikes policy can be gamed by the corporations to get rid of the people they want rid of while maintaining a relatively open net. After all, they WANT the ability to let you buy things on impulse from your couch. They just want you to have to pay through the nose to do so.
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I get the feeling the big boys like being able to pay big bucks for the best artists, and need a way to be able to afford to pay them off not to make art that undermines their interests. Artists are notorious troublemakers. =)
Sort of like bloggers and internet commenters.
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DO love!
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You should love Yee then, he is an anti gun activist as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leland_Yee#Rewriting_of_SB249
While you're at it, can you Cali kids get busy childproofing that San Andreas Fault? THAT thing's gonna cause some problems eventually.
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Yyyyup. I see it now. I guess everyone else but me just knew what was coming and went for the preemptive strike.
My apologies.
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It costs a few moments of a machinists time. That's another aspect of gun control few people want to address. Just how far down the food chain of technology would you like us to ban to prevent simply work-arounds for your myopic bans?
I am so sick of people who have not a single, solitary clue what they are talking about spewing off as if they have moral and intellectual insights about something that has been settled for two hundred plus years.
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In Mexico, fully automatic weapons are used in crime constantly despite their far more restrictive gun control laws. The reason cartels don't do that here is because they know the US would invade Columbia and burn their crops if they behaved towards us the way they behave in Mexico.
Being the biggest kid on the block still has SOME fringe benefits.
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"How about actually addressing the issue of economic imbalance in society that that has sky-rocketed in recent years that could quite possibly be causing certain people to snap under the pressure and resort to drastic violent measures?"
Amen. I do believe you could even find a study or seventy that point out that economic imbalance causes social unrest and violence, not to mention a goodly fistful of historic examples.
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I want my ISP as far from enforcing IP laws as is possible.
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Re: Because fuck the economy. That's why
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There are parts of tech though that seem to turn around so quickly that 5 years is too long. This gets talked about so little, it is hard to get a solid handle on what would be best.
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I will never understand why some of the most militant sounding people turn right around and deny their own right to protection from government.
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This is a little hyperbolic, but it touches on a concern I have that I do not think gets enough attention - the role of banking as it pertains to the use of IP law. I think much of the resistance we are seeing from the so called "legacy" players is that without IP, investment confidence breaks down. People do not want to fund either technological research or large scale artistic projects without knowing that they can reasonably expect the people they paid to be the ones making money off of the outcome, because that is necessary in order to get their investment back out of them.
Since money is fiat, and oligarchical if not entirely centralized, and finally is a finite resource, the synergies that allow human progress to amount to more than the sum of their parts do not come into play. We are talking about having human progress being forced to be a part of a zero sum game. There's only x amount of money. Whoever has it, wins. If your way of doing things cannot be shoehorned into that system, then that system's adherents are going to fight for their lives.
Any solution to IP has to come with a solution to the banking issue as well, I fear.
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It should almost be a given that someone can deny you service if you use it to break the law. The question then is, did you really break the law?
A six strikes policy against aggravating a third party WOULD be self destructive if not for the monopoly, but the policy combined with the monopoly leaves the ISP serving the role of government agent.
We see similar things all the time with drug testing, but I am not sure how the courts will roll on this. I know lawyers all over the place are scrambling to look for the legal angle on this though that will shut it down. The current establishment needs copyright badly, and I'm not talking just about Hollywood here.
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Grand Theft Auto IV....
So um.... I guess I like violent, filthy video games.
In GTA IV's defense, the smut is not particularly graphic... I don't know how much of a defense that actually is given the graphic nature of the VIOLENCE, but the smut is pretty tame.
Apparently violent misogyny is ok as long as it's not sexually graphic.
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Re: Pure trolling
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It's smack dab in the middle of the blue.
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"Reporting" a post with no particularly offensive text in it is a rather clear attempt at getting rid of it though. The funny thing is that when he begins to resort to personal attacks and foul language, THOSE posts go unreported.
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The reality though is that a six strikes policy can be gamed by the corporations to get rid of the people they want rid of while maintaining a relatively open net. After all, they WANT the ability to let you buy things on impulse from your couch. They just want you to have to pay through the nose to do so.
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