Pegoraro compares the different stats in the report and notes that there's a very clear indication that when legal alternatives are available, the amount of unauthorized file sharing drops considerably. So if the MPAA's goal is to reduce file sharing, then the answer is to start offering legitimate services. Pegoraro even asked the director of the study about this, and the guy agreed:
I think the availability of legit content in the US may be one reason why infringing use is lower in the country than elsewhere worldwide: the US has Hulu, Netflix, Amazon VOD, Vudu, streaming content from the tv networks, etc. This level of availability just can't be found elsewhere. Further, the content in the greatest demand online is that which originates from the US -- television shows and films in particular -- which often take a while before they appear in other countries.
Michael D Smith - Legal alternatives taken away, people turn to piracy
Over the last week TorrentFreak tracked two Fox shows on BitTorrent to see if there was an upturn in the number of downloads compared to the previous weeks, and the results are as expected. For both Gordon Ramsay’s Hell’s Kitchen and MasterChef the download numbers have surged.
During the first 5 days, the number of downloads from the U.S. for the latest episode of Hell’s Kitchen increased by 114% compared to the previous 3 episodes. For MasterChef the upturn was even higher with 189% more downloads from the U.S. For MasterChef; the extra high demand may in part have been facilitated by the fact that it was the season finale.
Point stands: Give people legal alternatives, piracy decreases. Take them away piracy increases as people find other services to cater to their needs.
But you have to look at it a little different. Most of the judges elected are ingrained to use Constitutional avoidance at all costs unless absolutely necessary. So slapping down Congressional laws, even if they're the most conservative judge, doesn't make sense to them if there's technicalities that allow the same ruling.
It's frustrating as hell because if they get it wrong (Grokster for example) we all suffer while they can choose which cases to hear every year.
Awww... Look who stop sucking on his mother's teet to try to insult people. Isn't that precious?
Look, he even has a semi-witty comeback all prepared. Did Daddy prepare that for you along with the sandwich for school? Now run along now and learn to play nice while the grownups are talking.
Wonder if he'll get a "talking to" from the MPAA folks about undermining their whole argument by admitting the truth.
Somewhere in the brief, I could swear the MPAA is supposed to be working for Mike Lang to make movie distribution easier, *NOT* to make the CEOs of the companies involved with MPAA realize they are losing money, not to piracy, but to their own inability to recognize how to distribute their goods and form new services.
" Roosevelt's policies actually DID rescue "capitalism" after decades of rampant financial crimes, including a world war."
No, they didn't. The US went from a debtor nation to a creditor nation because its lands weren't destroyed in WWII. Also, the policies he put in place such as Social Security, are now crippling the US economy because by and large, the baby boomer generation is far larger than the X and Y generations combined. You can't pay into it as much as that one generation is getting out of it.
His policies more or less built worthless buildings, fueled America based on a lie, and entrusted one entity to give the US funds rather than the government does it themselves.
"Have you ever considered that the biggest blockage to much lower prices for content is the number of people who just take it for free?"
[citation needed]
Be aware, the countries that adapted to it by putting more legal alternatives, defeated piracy and made money.
"Have you ever considered that there is a point where the black market wipes out the normal market, and in the end takes both of them out as a result?"
So in your world, there's only the black market and legal market... Interesting... And judging from the fact that software continues to be made, sold, and used all over, I don't think you know what you're talking about in regards to current markets.
"Mike claims piracy is bad and illegal, and then moans every time a country tries to put a law in place to stop the rampant piracy going on."
Wow, putting words in other's mouths. Also, I didn't put words in your mouth. I was mocking your viewpoint because your drivel was outdated and tired.
"Laws like this exist because people insist on playing the old whack-a-mole game of hiding their pirate site offshore, in rare friendly jurisdictions, and playing the "speed of the net versus real life" to profit."
*facepalm*
When you have a better argument than believing everyone is a criminal let me know.
"Ask the people who ran Ninja video... 500k for a couple of years work is pretty good money when you have almost no expenses"
Wow, you know what the expenses are. Care to run them down in a detailed list that no one has seen?
Shhh! Don't tell him that! He actually think he's winning by enforcing more draconian copyright on people that have no respect for it.
Somehow, he believes he can preach morality to people while the high prices of marketed goods means people will vote with their wallets a lot more.
He might actually have a point somewhere but it's lost on his manifesto of anti-piracy. So SHHHH! Don't give him ideas on how he can have a better debate than that tired drivel he wrote already!
There is not enough Face to Palm ratio for how much fail this is...
One small suggestion. One SMALL idea that could help the industry make thousands of dollars on the project. It doesn't cost much, it makes them money, and they don't have to understand a lot of third derivative economics to get it:
Make the DVD available at the same time as release!
This is not a hard concept! Make it all available at the same time and you damn near kill pirate incentives. It's amazing! You sit there and you count your money, then you calculate how ALL of your partners are making money. But no, the industry doesn't think that way. They think they can kill people wanting content at the time that they want it, WHEN they want it, not the industry. They continue to complain that the millions they make are not enough and people are just thieves when there's evidence that they pay for things they *want* and actual scarcities!
Sad day to realize that the people paid to think in Hollywood are overrated morons.
Not sure how Nintendo are stopping you from using the game you paid good money for. They're trying to stop people who haven't paid for games downloading and playing them.
That isn't working... At all. People are just finding different methods to find cards than ebay or even directly from vendors.
The only ones they are going after are the e-tailers selling the products.
That's how it starts. The only reason that they won't ever go after downloaders is because the RIAA tried. It failed miserably. I'm sure no one else will try a similar strategy. It should be noted here that Nintendo believes in the Pro IP Act and is funding it as well. They're trying to control the market. It's not just about going after e-tailers who have a legitimate product.
If flash cards, SD cards, and other types of memory are legal, then there's no reason the R4 should be banned.
Please tell me how many prosecutions (successful or not) of individuals have occured in any of the countries where R4s are now 'illegal'?
Don't you think that's a little misleading? "I can't rebut the argument about how the law is changed to make a legal good illegal, so I want to know the number of prosecutions under this law."
Re: Re: Re: @"eejit": "balancing point for the public's best interest."
"Creation is universally /private/ even for large projects such as movies. "
No it's not. George Lucas took ideas from Akira Kurosawa in order to make Star Wars. Harry Potter is the unique story from various fables around the world. Stories of werewolves (European folktale), witches (again, European folktales), and magic (guess what it's from), told to a modern setting and through a tale of growing up in this dangerous world.
" Consequently, the creators (and I'm being generously neutral as to the material produced, most of which I find of cow-pie quality) MUST have a greater say over "interests" than others. "
Just because you can't find good quality works when they're out there, doesn't mean they don't exist.
" They've PAID to control it, and generally that's been a societal good, depite horrible excesses possible with mass markets."
Paying Congress to control content is not going to mean anything to me the one who consumes that media.
"When you just violate that control as freetards, the reaction is predictable."
At least we agree. I'm going to have less respect for laws that try to control my morality or find alternatives to it. Both = less money to those that impede progress in a medium.
" I don't like that increasing control, but neither do I care for "gimme" freetards just taking work-products (over-consuming it to turn brains into mush): two bunches of thieves don't make for freedom."
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience? Or have you read how those in different countries are interested in American goods at their own convenience? Food for thought.
"The balance point can only be to REDUCE PIRACY AND INDUSTRY PROFITS. Both those are easily done, but sadly, the three (or six) strikes rules aren't going to be balanced, mainly because freetards and to-hell-with-copyright-ists won't actually allow the industry necessary conditions (the previous terms, basically)."
Wrong. The balance point is to compete against piracy and offer better products than what pirates can do. Taking away access will do nothing but mean less money for you in the long run.
"You can't just screech that the internet changes not only means of distribution but of /production/, when it doesn't. Production methods CAN'T change much: it's physical"
They went digital too or are you ignoring the amount of cameras, hard drives, and ways people actually use media nowadays?
"Now, as most TD'ers will know, you can't always equate that to one lost sale per card or even 5 lost sales per card but that's several million £s worth"
Every time someone compares things like this, it is still misleading. We don't know what the potential of the cards were and the math on it usually pertains to filling games to the maximum, then calculating it, inflating the piracy numbers.
"I can't prove/disprove exactly how many cards were/weren't used for piracy but all I'm saying is that the problem was (and still is) MASSIVE for Nintendo. The amount they are losing from all of these 'lost sales' completely dwarfs what legit developers are bringing to them."
Two things.
1) If the regular price on a UK game is £29.99 then that's about $50. $50 for a regular handheld game does not make much sense. It's only a $10 difference from buying a console game. There's no way in hell that most people believe that $50 is convenient for a first party game.
2) Nintendo's stance on gaming price drops is quite clear. Obviously, if more people are willing to pay for r4 cards at $12.99, saving the extra $12 for other expenditures, it's obvious that Nintendo's prices are too high. To say that these are lost sales are quite ignorant of the fact that this is merely potential sales that Nintendo lost with their too high prices.
"I would be surprised if this does not get overturned on appeal; but if not, well, stranger things have happened."
I doubt it for one reason. Notice how all patents go to ONE court. That's the CAFC, IIRC. So not only will they defend him, they'll increase the fee to punish him for speaking out. This is a lot more chilling than Mike lets on. The judges are so biased against defendents, we really can't call this "justice". No, they're using the legal system to bully defendants and force them to pay people that do nothing. That's not capitalism, it's a glorified Robin Hood Ponzi scheme. Rob from the poor, give to the rich.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Piracy is industry's own damn fault
Pegoraro compares the different stats in the report and notes that there's a very clear indication that when legal alternatives are available, the amount of unauthorized file sharing drops considerably. So if the MPAA's goal is to reduce file sharing, then the answer is to start offering legitimate services. Pegoraro even asked the director of the study about this, and the guy agreed:
Michael D Smith - Legal alternatives taken away, people turn to piracy
Fox delays availability, piracy increases
Point stands: Give people legal alternatives, piracy decreases. Take them away piracy increases as people find other services to cater to their needs.
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Re: Re: Re: Copyright to... heirs?
It's not. Copyright is NOT an inheritance. New author, new work. That should be pretty evident IMO.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
It's frustrating as hell because if they get it wrong (Grokster for example) we all suffer while they can choose which cases to hear every year.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Look, he even has a semi-witty comeback all prepared. Did Daddy prepare that for you along with the sandwich for school? Now run along now and learn to play nice while the grownups are talking.
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Re: Re:
On the post: Norway The Latest Country To Look At Censorship As A 'Solution' To Entertainment Industry's Failed Business Models
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I might find a way to reach across computer screens and slap ACs with bad logic.
Then I'll patent it and sue them...
I'll be rich, I tell you... RICH!
On the post: Miramax CEO Finally Admits: Control Over Distribution Channel Is A Much Bigger Issue Than 'Piracy'
Somewhere in the brief, I could swear the MPAA is supposed to be working for Mike Lang to make movie distribution easier, *NOT* to make the CEOs of the companies involved with MPAA realize they are losing money, not to piracy, but to their own inability to recognize how to distribute their goods and form new services.
On the post: No One Wanted To Pay $30 For In-Home Movie Rentals... So Now Universal Will Try $60?
Re: Re: Reverse psychology...
No, they didn't. The US went from a debtor nation to a creditor nation because its lands weren't destroyed in WWII. Also, the policies he put in place such as Social Security, are now crippling the US economy because by and large, the baby boomer generation is far larger than the X and Y generations combined. You can't pay into it as much as that one generation is getting out of it.
His policies more or less built worthless buildings, fueled America based on a lie, and entrusted one entity to give the US funds rather than the government does it themselves.
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
[citation needed]
Be aware, the countries that adapted to it by putting more legal alternatives, defeated piracy and made money.
"Have you ever considered that there is a point where the black market wipes out the normal market, and in the end takes both of them out as a result?"
So in your world, there's only the black market and legal market... Interesting... And judging from the fact that software continues to be made, sold, and used all over, I don't think you know what you're talking about in regards to current markets.
"Mike claims piracy is bad and illegal, and then moans every time a country tries to put a law in place to stop the rampant piracy going on."
Wow, putting words in other's mouths. Also, I didn't put words in your mouth. I was mocking your viewpoint because your drivel was outdated and tired.
"Laws like this exist because people insist on playing the old whack-a-mole game of hiding their pirate site offshore, in rare friendly jurisdictions, and playing the "speed of the net versus real life" to profit."
*facepalm*
When you have a better argument than believing everyone is a criminal let me know.
"Ask the people who ran Ninja video... 500k for a couple of years work is pretty good money when you have almost no expenses"
Wow, you know what the expenses are. Care to run them down in a detailed list that no one has seen?
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Re: Re: Re:
I wouldn't trust them if they were the last source of gaming news on earth.
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Re: Re:
Somehow, he believes he can preach morality to people while the high prices of marketed goods means people will vote with their wallets a lot more.
He might actually have a point somewhere but it's lost on his manifesto of anti-piracy. So SHHHH! Don't give him ideas on how he can have a better debate than that tired drivel he wrote already!
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Re: Huh??!!
One small suggestion. One SMALL idea that could help the industry make thousands of dollars on the project. It doesn't cost much, it makes them money, and they don't have to understand a lot of third derivative economics to get it:
Make the DVD available at the same time as release!
This is not a hard concept! Make it all available at the same time and you damn near kill pirate incentives. It's amazing! You sit there and you count your money, then you calculate how ALL of your partners are making money. But no, the industry doesn't think that way. They think they can kill people wanting content at the time that they want it, WHEN they want it, not the industry. They continue to complain that the millions they make are not enough and people are just thieves when there's evidence that they pay for things they *want* and actual scarcities!
Sad day to realize that the people paid to think in Hollywood are overrated morons.
On the post: Nintendo Thrilled To Have Game Copy Devices Found Illegal In France
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R4 Cards
That isn't working... At all. People are just finding different methods to find cards than ebay or even directly from vendors.
The only ones they are going after are the e-tailers selling the products.
That's how it starts. The only reason that they won't ever go after downloaders is because the RIAA tried. It failed miserably. I'm sure no one else will try a similar strategy. It should be noted here that Nintendo believes in the Pro IP Act and is funding it as well. They're trying to control the market. It's not just about going after e-tailers who have a legitimate product.
If flash cards, SD cards, and other types of memory are legal, then there's no reason the R4 should be banned.
Please tell me how many prosecutions (successful or not) of individuals have occured in any of the countries where R4s are now 'illegal'?
Don't you think that's a little misleading? "I can't rebut the argument about how the law is changed to make a legal good illegal, so I want to know the number of prosecutions under this law."
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Re: Re: Copyright to... heirs?
Because an author can't be incentivized to create when they're dead?
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Re: Re: Re: @"eejit": "balancing point for the public's best interest."
No it's not. George Lucas took ideas from Akira Kurosawa in order to make Star Wars. Harry Potter is the unique story from various fables around the world. Stories of werewolves (European folktale), witches (again, European folktales), and magic (guess what it's from), told to a modern setting and through a tale of growing up in this dangerous world.
" Consequently, the creators (and I'm being generously neutral as to the material produced, most of which I find of cow-pie quality) MUST have a greater say over "interests" than others. "
Just because you can't find good quality works when they're out there, doesn't mean they don't exist.
" They PAY for its production: you don't. "
Rebuttal: You can pay for production too at whatever level you want to join.
" They've PAID to control it, and generally that's been a societal good, depite horrible excesses possible with mass markets."
Paying Congress to control content is not going to mean anything to me the one who consumes that media.
"When you just violate that control as freetards, the reaction is predictable."
At least we agree. I'm going to have less respect for laws that try to control my morality or find alternatives to it. Both = less money to those that impede progress in a medium.
" I don't like that increasing control, but neither do I care for "gimme" freetards just taking work-products (over-consuming it to turn brains into mush): two bunches of thieves don't make for freedom."
Have you ever heard of civil disobedience? Or have you read how those in different countries are interested in American goods at their own convenience? Food for thought.
"The balance point can only be to REDUCE PIRACY AND INDUSTRY PROFITS. Both those are easily done, but sadly, the three (or six) strikes rules aren't going to be balanced, mainly because freetards and to-hell-with-copyright-ists won't actually allow the industry necessary conditions (the previous terms, basically)."
Wrong. The balance point is to compete against piracy and offer better products than what pirates can do. Taking away access will do nothing but mean less money for you in the long run.
"You can't just screech that the internet changes not only means of distribution but of /production/, when it doesn't. Production methods CAN'T change much: it's physical"
They went digital too or are you ignoring the amount of cameras, hard drives, and ways people actually use media nowadays?
On the post: Nintendo Thrilled To Have Game Copy Devices Found Illegal In France
Re: Re: Black Market
Every time someone compares things like this, it is still misleading. We don't know what the potential of the cards were and the math on it usually pertains to filling games to the maximum, then calculating it, inflating the piracy numbers.
On the post: Nintendo Thrilled To Have Game Copy Devices Found Illegal In France
Re: Re: Re: R4 Cards
Two things.
1) If the regular price on a UK game is £29.99 then that's about $50. $50 for a regular handheld game does not make much sense. It's only a $10 difference from buying a console game. There's no way in hell that most people believe that $50 is convenient for a first party game.
2) Nintendo's stance on gaming price drops is quite clear. Obviously, if more people are willing to pay for r4 cards at $12.99, saving the extra $12 for other expenditures, it's obvious that Nintendo's prices are too high. To say that these are lost sales are quite ignorant of the fact that this is merely potential sales that Nintendo lost with their too high prices.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Good job AC in not reading the article.
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Re: No Surprise
I doubt it for one reason. Notice how all patents go to ONE court. That's the CAFC, IIRC. So not only will they defend him, they'll increase the fee to punish him for speaking out. This is a lot more chilling than Mike lets on. The judges are so biased against defendents, we really can't call this "justice". No, they're using the legal system to bully defendants and force them to pay people that do nothing. That's not capitalism, it's a glorified Robin Hood Ponzi scheme. Rob from the poor, give to the rich.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Where does this '"unauthorized" streaming' come from then?
Nope. Try again.
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