M.J. Santorelli & C.M. Davidson, A Closer Look: Berkman’s Municipal Fiber Pricing Study, Advanced Communications Law and Policy Institute (ACLP) at New York Law School, George Ford at Phoenix, Roslyn Layton at Forbes, and mine at High Tech Forum.
The Berkman report is embarrassingly bad. Averaging its findings - which exclude AT&T, Verizon, and shows the average community network is $10/month cheaper and 7 Mbps slower.
I see what happened: Bode has a gig at non-traditional workplace Vice now, and he ran the same story there on the 12th. So this is a non-attributed cross post.
Like most TechDirt posts, this one is long on emotion and short on facts. Most of the alleged facts aren’t facts at all, but merely advocacy group talking points.
Here’s Mike's most egregious error: Title I means ISPs will be subject to the same ex post legal guidelines that apply to Cloudflare, Rackspace, Google, Facebook, and the rest of the Internet Association's members. Mike denies this , but the enforcement mechanism is the FTC and the rule book is the FTC Act, the Clayton Act, and the Sherman Act. The FCC is a poor judge of economic harm, as we’ve seen since 2005.
The FCC has never won a net neutrality enforcement case, so we’re losing nothing by shifting market regulation to an agency that knows how to do it lawfully.
Net neutrality is policy fraud and its supporters are suckers.
Issue advocates use them to manufacture the appearance of broad public support for dubious causes. Bloggers love push polls because they’re good for traffic. Politicians know to disregard them.
I can create a pill that shows vast public support for Jack the Ripper by mitting his name and framing a series of questions about population control.
No website will ever pay an ISP for speed unless servers are part of the deal. Websites are not rate limited by ISPs, they’re CPU bound and ad auction bound.
You're changing the subject from the inherent neutrality of the Internet - or lack thereof - to support for the political agenda known as network neutrality.
Try to follow the discussion.
In the quote from Tim Wu, the question is whether his claim is true or false, not what he does for a living. I can quote recent email from Cerf that backs up Wu's point if you can only handle hero worship.
Now go play in traffic, I have very little time for Cowards.
Once again, Mr. Coward brings the insults but no data to back them up. Wheeler made the FCC measurement team stop saying what the average US broadband speed is because it didn't fit his narrative. When it did say, the FCC number was higher than Speedtest and lower than Akamai every year from 2012-2015.
That's verifiable data. The speed of web pages is also based in public data about actual web pages, not artificial tests. Speedtest uses HTTP, so your stupid little test with hosting sites and big files is pretty much what they do. That's not web page simulation because you got no ads.
The point of independent, expert agencies is simple: there are some issues that the general public doesn't understand, and this is one such issue.
In today's Internet, the average broadband speed in the US is 75 Mbps, but the average web server speed is 12-15 Mbps. Given these facts (Read "You Get What You Measure: Internet Performance Measurement as a Policy Tool" by, um, me), the claim that ISPs are eager to sell performance boost to websites for a fee is 100% laughable.
Everyone who knows how the Internet works knows what I'm saying is true. Why do you pretend to know facts that aren't facts?
Thanks for the laughs. Here's what Tim Wu said in the paper that started the controversy, "Network Neutrality, Broadband Discrimination":
"Proponents of open access have generally overlooked the fact that, to the extent an open access rule inhibits vertical relationships, it can help maintain the Internet’s greatest deviation from network neutrality. That deviation is favoritism of data applications, as a class, over latency-sensitive applications involving voice or video."
He's saying that the best efforts bias discriminates against realtime voice & video conferencing. The Internet is also non-neutral in the sense that CDNs have an inherent advantage over single node web servers. That has nothing to do with what goes down at the net ops center, my friend.
My number one issue with net neutrality is the false views of the Internet architecture the pro-neuts have promoted. There is nothing neutral about the Internet and never has been.
The public doesn't care about net neutrality, but bots are deeply engaged.
The FCC's repeal is an existential threat to the pressure groups and troll blogs, because it will provide us with the proof that they've been lying. That sort of thing makes donations dry up.
This the way debate always goes with a passive-aggressive whining brat. I make a claim, you demand evidence, I provide it, and you say you don't like my evidence and we're back to step 2. This goes on as long as I'm willing to play.
Meanwhile, you've contributed nothing to the discussion. There are plenty of polls out there, the one I got from Hacker News two days ago isn't the only one.
On the post: Harvard Study Shows Community-Owned ISPs Offer Lower, More Transparent Prices
Re: Re: Re: utterly destroyed by careful analysis
Bode also wrote about it on DSLReports, so this is your new super trolling triple-play package.
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Re: Re: utterly destroyed by careful analysis
The Berkman report is embarrassingly bad. Averaging its findings - which exclude AT&T, Verizon, and shows the average community network is $10/month cheaper and 7 Mbps slower.
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Re: Re: Techdirt rerunning old posts now?
See https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/d345pv/harvard-study-shows-why-big-telecom-is-terrified-o f-community-run-broadband
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Techdirt rerunning old posts now?
Why publish it at all when it says nothing of value?
Bode claimed 22 million people told the FCC to keep regulating the Internet under Title II. Doesn't he need a fact-checker?
On the post: Why Are The People Who Whined About Wheeler's Net Neutrality Rules Being '400 Pages' Silent About Pai's Being '539 Pages'
Bzzztttt....
Because there wasn't any. Attaching all 308 pages of a prior order in a commissioner's comment was bizarre and unprecedented.
But I'm sure Silicon Valley is pleased by the misdirection.
On the post: Why I Changed My Mind On Net Neutrality
Masnick has his facts wrong
Here’s Mike's most egregious error: Title I means ISPs will be subject to the same ex post legal guidelines that apply to Cloudflare, Rackspace, Google, Facebook, and the rest of the Internet Association's members. Mike denies this , but the enforcement mechanism is the FTC and the rule book is the FTC Act, the Clayton Act, and the Sherman Act. The FCC is a poor judge of economic harm, as we’ve seen since 2005.
The FCC has never won a net neutrality enforcement case, so we’re losing nothing by shifting market regulation to an agency that knows how to do it lawfully.
Net neutrality is policy fraud and its supporters are suckers.
On the post: Ajit Pai Attacked Hollywood & Silicon Valley Because Even Republicans Are Against His Net Neutrality Plan
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I recommend you try https://www.criticalthinking.com to overcome the cherry picking and non sequitur fixation you have.
BTW, Akamai says Average Peak is the one that measures broadband speed.
Because TCP multiplexing. Go Google that.
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On the post: Ajit Pai Attacked Hollywood & Silicon Valley Because Even Republicans Are Against His Net Neutrality Plan
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Issue advocates use them to manufacture the appearance of broad public support for dubious causes. Bloggers love push polls because they’re good for traffic. Politicians know to disregard them.
I can create a pill that shows vast public support for Jack the Ripper by mitting his name and framing a series of questions about population control.
No website will ever pay an ISP for speed unless servers are part of the deal. Websites are not rate limited by ISPs, they’re CPU bound and ad auction bound.
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Try to follow the discussion.
In the quote from Tim Wu, the question is whether his claim is true or false, not what he does for a living. I can quote recent email from Cerf that backs up Wu's point if you can only handle hero worship.
Now go play in traffic, I have very little time for Cowards.
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The web speeds are measured by the FCC from SamKnows Whiteboxes. You can see the raw data here: https://www.fcc.gov/general/measuring-broadband-america
The point is to see the user experience of the web, not to measure the size of your personal appendages.
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That's verifiable data. The speed of web pages is also based in public data about actual web pages, not artificial tests. Speedtest uses HTTP, so your stupid little test with hosting sites and big files is pretty much what they do. That's not web page simulation because you got no ads.
Silly Coward.
On the post: Ajit Pai Attacked Hollywood & Silicon Valley Because Even Republicans Are Against His Net Neutrality Plan
Re: Re: Re: Re: Pot, Kettle
In today's Internet, the average broadband speed in the US is 75 Mbps, but the average web server speed is 12-15 Mbps. Given these facts (Read "You Get What You Measure: Internet Performance Measurement as a Policy Tool" by, um, me), the claim that ISPs are eager to sell performance boost to websites for a fee is 100% laughable.
Everyone who knows how the Internet works knows what I'm saying is true. Why do you pretend to know facts that aren't facts?
On the post: Ajit Pai Attacked Hollywood & Silicon Valley Because Even Republicans Are Against His Net Neutrality Plan
Re: Re: Re: Re: Pot, Kettle
On the post: Ajit Pai Attacked Hollywood & Silicon Valley Because Even Republicans Are Against His Net Neutrality Plan
Re: Re: Re: Many Re'a: Pot, Kettle
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Re: Re: Re: Many Re'a: Pot, Kettle
"Proponents of open access have generally overlooked the fact that, to the extent an open access rule inhibits vertical relationships, it can help maintain the Internet’s greatest deviation from network neutrality. That deviation is favoritism of data applications, as a class, over latency-sensitive applications involving voice or video."
He's saying that the best efforts bias discriminates against realtime voice & video conferencing. The Internet is also non-neutral in the sense that CDNs have an inherent advantage over single node web servers. That has nothing to do with what goes down at the net ops center, my friend.
On the post: Ajit Pai Attacked Hollywood & Silicon Valley Because Even Republicans Are Against His Net Neutrality Plan
Re: Many Re'a: Pot, Kettle
On the post: Days Before Doing Verizon's Bidding, Ajit Pai Gives A Talk At Verizon
Grasping at straws.
Tommy Wheeler was HEAD LOBBYIST for cable and then mobile for 20 years. Did he do their bidding?
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The FCC's repeal is an existential threat to the pressure groups and troll blogs, because it will provide us with the proof that they've been lying. That sort of thing makes donations dry up.
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Meanwhile, you've contributed nothing to the discussion. There are plenty of polls out there, the one I got from Hacker News two days ago isn't the only one.
Find one that supports your case or GTFO.
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