"Can you come up with 10 posts in the past year that mention an entertainment industry company (RIAA member record company or MPAA member film studio) in a positive light?"
Can you come up with 10 independent non-industry posts anywhere on the internet that mention an entertainment industry company in a positive light?
"Every post in which you mention one of these companies is biased against them. You claim you "want them to succeed", but the tone and content of your posts indicate otherwise."
If that were true Mike could just shut up and let them continue their self-driven downward spiral into irrelevancy. All the advice Mike offers these companies is to help them succeed, not fail.
"Every effort they make to counter piracy is mocked and ridculed by this site."
Perhaps that's because every effort they make to counter piracy is ridiculous. Can you think of any efforts they've made that have successfully reduced piracy on a long-term basis?
"Instead of telling them how NOT to fight piracy, try offering a solution to their problems."
If you honestly think that hasn't been happening here, then you're either monumentally stupid or intellectually dishonest. Whether you agree with his suggestions or not, Mike has been doing what you ask for years.
""It's still stealing something that does not belong to you no matter what the SC calls it."
The dictionary also disagrees with you. Surely you can understand the difference between losing something to theft and not losing something to copying.
"As usual, people miss the point. The proposed laws are reactions to behaviors that provoked them."
And those behaviours are a reaction to the content industries utterly failing to move into the digital age with the rest of us. Throughout the history of mankind those who ignored or fought against newly developed technologies and what they allowed us to do were left behind and suffered as a result. This is not some strange new behaviour.
"How would YOU feel if the shoe were on the other foot? You pour your heart and soul into something and expect to be rewarded for it."
You first and biggest mistake is to expect to be rewarded for it. Nobody owes you a damn thing, you have to earn people's money by providing a product that they want at a price they're willing to pay.
"My comment was on the fact that people that know nothing about creation shouldn't be opining on it, and that there are fixed costs in producing a movie."
Sorry, but the argument that if you aren't directly involved in something you can't offer an opinion on it is completely and utterly wrong. Always has been, always will be.
Everybody here knows there are fixed costs in producing a movie, but those costs, whether $50k or $100M, are no more than a curiosity to most people. Those sunk costs have no effect whatsoever on how much people value a movie, and hence how much or how little they're prepared to pay to see it.
"I see more clicking because someone lost an argument, or they disagree with the post, than any real chance of it being used as intended."
Judging by the comments that make it into the Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week posts based directly on those voting buttons, I'd say you're completely wrong.
"If piracy is a sampling and discovery tool for high spenders, then suppressing piracy could depress legal sales. If�as I�ll argue at more length in a subsequent post�we�re in a mostly zero-sum market in which consumers are maxed out on discretionary media expenditures, then enforcement won�t significantly expand but at best just cannibalize one media sector for another." [Emphasis mine]
This can't be repeated often enough. Even in a piracy-free fantasy land I won't have any more money so I won't be spending any more on content. I already spend all I'm willing and able to spend on entertainment, so any efforts to prevent me from accessing unauthorised content is money down the drain. Give me a reason to purchase more, i.e. better content and/or lower prices, and I will. Don't, and I won't. This is not an "attitude of entitlement" as some will accuse, it's just a simple economic reality.
Re: Re: Because you have a weird definition of "the public"
Can you explain why I should believe you, an Anonymous Coward who offers no explanation or reasoned argument, when a 100 lawyers say it is censorship and the techs who build the internet say it will be broken? What exactly are your credentials? What makes you more knowledgeable than them?
Hear that dull thud? That was the sound of your entire argument falling flat on it's face because you once again conflate the removal of physical property with the copying of a digital file. Everything else you write after that is just meaningless blather as a result.
Re: Re: Re: No matter how prolix you get, Mike, problem is still PIRACY.
"Marcus, it's a LAW !!! not a problem."
Are you trying to win Stupidest Comment of the Day? "It's the law!" is the weakest, most intellectually lame argument you could possibly come up with. Would you like us to find you a list of laws that have been repealed because what society believes and supports has changed over time? Laws that allowed slavery and forbade homosexuality are obvious examples, but there are countless more.
"Like it or not, (and you dont) your society has decided by majority that certain acts and deeds are considered illegal."
Do you need a refresher on the meaning of regulatory capture? If you really think copyright laws in their current form came about to satisfy the will of the majority of the population, then you're either too ignorant or too dishonest to participate in this discussion.
"No, you ignorant asshat, they're not evil. They provide the content you're addicted to."
No, content creators provide the content we like ("addicted to" is a ridiculous overstatement). Record labels provide me absolutely nothing of value these days.
I agree with you, except the "stifle free speech" bit. I think there should be a better way to flag comments that are strongly disagreed with, as opposed to genuine spam or abuse, but lets not overstate the issue. His speech is not actually free on a privately run blog but neither is it stifled by being hidden behind a single mouse click.
So after watching their video claiming looming financial doom, and then stating the company's value has tripled in three years, it's Mike you want to accuse of dishonesty? Wow, cognitive dissonance much?
Re: Re: Re: It's not "media piracy", it's "content" piracy.
Why should art be forced to become dumbed down just so you can take it without paying?
Dumbed down? Looking at IMDB's Top 250 list, you have to go down to #9 before you get to a movie that cost more than $100M. The eight movies above it only cost $80M combined. The three million votes for those eight films belie your "dumbed down" claim.
"A great example of the "self-repairing" nature of human endeavour. Mike, you could learn a lot from this real world example of cause and effect."
Actually what you've described is similar to the Broken Window Fallacy, which Mike has discussed here several times before. Suffice to say Mike already knows how damaging your kind of thinking is.
On the post: NBC Universal Threatens Partners That They Need To Sign 'Grassroots' Support Of SOPA/PIPA Or It Might Have To Drop Them
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No, you probably don't...
On the post: NBC Universal Threatens Partners That They Need To Sign 'Grassroots' Support Of SOPA/PIPA Or It Might Have To Drop Them
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Can you come up with 10 independent non-industry posts anywhere on the internet that mention an entertainment industry company in a positive light?
"Every post in which you mention one of these companies is biased against them. You claim you "want them to succeed", but the tone and content of your posts indicate otherwise."
If that were true Mike could just shut up and let them continue their self-driven downward spiral into irrelevancy. All the advice Mike offers these companies is to help them succeed, not fail.
"Every effort they make to counter piracy is mocked and ridculed by this site."
Perhaps that's because every effort they make to counter piracy is ridiculous. Can you think of any efforts they've made that have successfully reduced piracy on a long-term basis?
"Instead of telling them how NOT to fight piracy, try offering a solution to their problems."
If you honestly think that hasn't been happening here, then you're either monumentally stupid or intellectually dishonest. Whether you agree with his suggestions or not, Mike has been doing what you ask for years.
On the post: NBC Universal Threatens Partners That They Need To Sign 'Grassroots' Support Of SOPA/PIPA Or It Might Have To Drop Them
Re: Re: Re: You are the industry loathing, self-serving shill for the piracy industry some of these people claim
And that's why they're in charge and not you...
On the post: Call Your Senators Today: Tell Them To Vote Against Censoring The Internet
Re: Re: Re: No morals...
The dictionary also disagrees with you. Surely you can understand the difference between losing something to theft and not losing something to copying.
"As usual, people miss the point. The proposed laws are reactions to behaviors that provoked them."
And those behaviours are a reaction to the content industries utterly failing to move into the digital age with the rest of us. Throughout the history of mankind those who ignored or fought against newly developed technologies and what they allowed us to do were left behind and suffered as a result. This is not some strange new behaviour.
"How would YOU feel if the shoe were on the other foot? You pour your heart and soul into something and expect to be rewarded for it."
You first and biggest mistake is to expect to be rewarded for it. Nobody owes you a damn thing, you have to earn people's money by providing a product that they want at a price they're willing to pay.
On the post: NY Times & LA Times Both Come Out Against SOPA & PIPA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2nd possibility: "Republicans" were wavering, so...
Sorry, but the argument that if you aren't directly involved in something you can't offer an opinion on it is completely and utterly wrong. Always has been, always will be.
Everybody here knows there are fixed costs in producing a movie, but those costs, whether $50k or $100M, are no more than a curiosity to most people. Those sunk costs have no effect whatsoever on how much people value a movie, and hence how much or how little they're prepared to pay to see it.
On the post: Sen. Joe Lieberman Asks Google For A 'Report Blog As Terrorist' Button
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Judging by the comments that make it into the Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week posts based directly on those voting buttons, I'd say you're completely wrong.
On the post: Mike Masnick's Favorite Techdirt Posts Of The Week
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This can't be repeated often enough. Even in a piracy-free fantasy land I won't have any more money so I won't be spending any more on content. I already spend all I'm willing and able to spend on entertainment, so any efforts to prevent me from accessing unauthorised content is money down the drain. Give me a reason to purchase more, i.e. better content and/or lower prices, and I will. Don't, and I won't. This is not an "attitude of entitlement" as some will accuse, it's just a simple economic reality.
On the post: Why The Public Is Willing To Rally Against SOPA/PIPA, But Not For It
Re: Re: Because you have a weird definition of "the public"
On the post: Why The Supreme Court's 'Grokster' Decision Led To More, Not Less, P2P Filesharing
Re: Wrong conclusion about legal loopholes.
Hear that dull thud? That was the sound of your entire argument falling flat on it's face because you once again conflate the removal of physical property with the copying of a digital file. Everything else you write after that is just meaningless blather as a result.
On the post: The Definitive Post On Why SOPA And Protect IP Are Bad, Bad Ideas
Re: Re: Re: Re: Jobs or loss of jobs ? will or will not be effective ? choose.
On the post: The Definitive Post On Why SOPA And Protect IP Are Bad, Bad Ideas
Re: Re: Re: No matter how prolix you get, Mike, problem is still PIRACY.
Are you trying to win Stupidest Comment of the Day? "It's the law!" is the weakest, most intellectually lame argument you could possibly come up with. Would you like us to find you a list of laws that have been repealed because what society believes and supports has changed over time? Laws that allowed slavery and forbade homosexuality are obvious examples, but there are countless more.
"Like it or not, (and you dont) your society has decided by majority that certain acts and deeds are considered illegal."
Do you need a refresher on the meaning of regulatory capture? If you really think copyright laws in their current form came about to satisfy the will of the majority of the population, then you're either too ignorant or too dishonest to participate in this discussion.
On the post: Pelosi: We Need To Find A Better Solution Than SOPA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Mike for covering this
On the post: SOPA Gives Me Powers That I Don't Want
Re: But Mike opposes "protecting [your] copyrighted material".
And finally you admit to what we all figured out months ago. Plain ol' IGNORANCE!
On the post: SOPA Gives Me Powers That I Don't Want
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Is "knowing their clients" the AC catchphrase of the day?
Are service providers supposed to background check every user the same way you want YouTube to view every posted video to check for infringement?
On the post: Facebook, Twitter, eBay & Other Big Internet Companies Come Out Against SOPA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
No, content creators provide the content we like ("addicted to" is a ridiculous overstatement). Record labels provide me absolutely nothing of value these days.
On the post: Ron Paul Comes Out Against SOPA; Joins Other Elected Officials Saying No To The Great Firewall Of America
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On the post: Warner Bros. Wants You To 'Buy' Movies Instead Of Rent... And By 'Buy' It Means Spend More To Still 'Rent'
Re: Re: Plus, it sucks
On the post: Viacom: Pass SOPA Or Spongebob Dies
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On the post: Why All Filmmakers Should Speak Out Against SOPA
Re: Re: Re: It's not "media piracy", it's "content" piracy.
Dumbed down? Looking at IMDB's Top 250 list, you have to go down to #9 before you get to a movie that cost more than $100M. The eight movies above it only cost $80M combined. The three million votes for those eight films belie your "dumbed down" claim.
On the post: Luma Labs Discontinues Popular Product Line After Competitor Gets A Patent... Despite Prior Art Going Back Over A Century
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Actually what you've described is similar to the Broken Window Fallacy, which Mike has discussed here several times before. Suffice to say Mike already knows how damaging your kind of thinking is.
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