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Ever person could see that the project has reached its goals,
Have you ever even looked at a single Kickstarter campaign, because you sound like you know nothing about them.
It's right there on the page, it states the intended goal, and the current amount raised.
If people then still want to donate, perhaps because they like a certain perk that comes with the donation (in essence you buy the perk with the donation), then they can fucking still do it. It's not like people are being forced to give money.
And if Amanda Palmer estimated a cost of 200,000 dollars, then so be it. Production of physical disks and shipping it across the world can get expensive. And mixing and stuff like that, if you want to hire a good mixer, someone who has talent, that costs serious money too.
You can argue left and right, point is, that she made an estimated amount she'd like to raise to finish her album and get it into the hands of her fans, and people gave her money.
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What's your problem with it. The fans clearly want to help her, so what? If you don't want to help her, don't pay her. Don't judge others who do give her money for her 'vanity project'.
So what if her husband is richer than the president? Who the fuck cares?
First there have been the many claims from the AC-shills that people just want stuff for free, they don't support artists, because they keep downloading shit from the Pirate Bay.
Except that here, clearly people want to support an artist, to the sum of half a million USD, and again that's bad, because the artist is already rich enough.
You people really don't know when to quit, do you?
If a large group of people are willing to spend a total of 500,000 USD on an artist, and they weren't forced in any way, just be glad for the artist and move on. It's not like people are twisting your arm to contribute, are they?
you gloss over the fact that it's unknown whether Dan Bull paid for the software once he started earning money with his music. You don't know that, you just instantly jump to that conclusion.
And when are you going to remove the Anonymous Coward name? We'd like to know who we are dealing with.
It's not bullshit, it's reality. All those lawsuits pointing out possible ways to infringe. The traffic spikes that these 'pirate' sites report right after being named in a lawsuit. The DRM that piss people off, who then go look for better alternatives, etc.
You still sure it's bullshit? I'll give you bullshit: IFPI's numbers on piracy. That's bullshit.
If the recording labels would have just given the people access to the content that they desired at a reasonable price without too many obstructions, they would've had a fighting chance. Now they are on a Don Quixotian quest to destroy all online piracy.
Well, I say, let them spend their very last dollar, if it'll make them happy. It still won't put the damn cat back in the bag. Piracy was there from the beginning, and has always been there. It's even been a driving force for progress left and right. The labels will have to learn to live with it, with the new reality that with the advent of the Internet, there is no more scarcity for content.
You can't take the file sharing out of the internet, because the internet = file sharing.
In that case, we should get rid of guns too, even get rid of the second amendement in the US constitution. Because guns have been used for illegitimate purposes, such as killing other people and suicides.
It's not stealing, it's copyright infringement, Yes it's illegal, but no it's not stealing.
No matter how many times you and all the other anonymous cowards try to claim it's the same, it's not. It never has been, and never will be. Good day to you, sir/madam.
So what if he did download that piece of software, he's using the Pirate Bay for legitimate purposes as well, which was the main point of the article. Which you intently gloss over, because you have just found a new favourite stick to slobber all over like a little puppy.
Point me to a lawsuit in the UK where the Pirate Bay was found guilty of anything. And now wonder why the recording industry wants it blocked.
A statement on a public blog means exactly nothing, they'd still need to prove that the infringement took place.
For instance, I could claim to the world that I just drove 180km/h on a Dutch highway, they'd still have to prove that I did, before taking away my drivers license and giving me a hefty fine.
Now if I had uploaded a video of me doing it, then that'd be a different matter all together.
But a mere statement alone isn't enough.
btw, just in case you were wondering, it's just an example, I drive a Prius, I doubt it can go that fast.
The Pirate Bay is popular, because the copyright police (RIAA, MPAA etc) made it popular.
If they hadn't done anything to combat the Pirate Bay, it wouldn't have nearly been as ubiquitous as it is today.
All this blocking of the website, all the attempted lawsuits (with the sneering tones of the responses) made The Pirate Bay what it is today. Just a collection of hash-codes to find material that other people are sharing online. (it doesn't host anything, it's just a fucking search engine)
A whole site was taken down because according to the recording industry a few files on that site might have been infringing on their copyright.
Meanwhile the actual owners of the site were kept in the dark of what was happening.
What's wrong with DUE PROCESS?! Offer the defendant their day in court to disprove any of the allegations.
Oh, no, wait, the constitution goes right out the window as soon as the recording industry gets involved. Who cares about freedom of speech, and freedom of the press, we're dealing with hardened copyright infringers here! Proof? What bloody proof? We don't need no proof, we can wait a year or so, while keeping an innocent blog/news site offline.
You state a lot of if's, and's, or's and but's, but offer no real evidence that Dajaz1.com actually did what you (and your RIAA-masters) claim they have done.
You people make me sick, and make me even more hardened in my lifelong boycott of anything MPAA and RIAA related. You people aren't going to see a cent from me ever again!
Too late? And meanwhile you have people in the US blaming President Obama for the mess that President G.W. Bush left behind.
You are funny, trying to find a correlation between poor IP laws and the current economic state of those nations. As if Hollywood has any influence on a nation's economy. (hint: it has none)
Europe is suffering because of the mess that American banks made. And yes, Greece of course. BTW, not paying taxes can hardly be considered socialism.
Wanna talk shop about the US? Which is further in debt than gets reported. It's on the cusp of becoming a third world nation with the disparity between rich and poor.
Yes, left wing, but for the last bloody time; not socialist! (please read the god damn post the AC made, and then see my post in that perspective)
Compared to Europe, the US is more like the German Third Reich just before the second world war (burning books? removing science material from schools? Inflicting weird ideas of 'democracy' onto other nations? Invading countries?). But I won't be calling all of you nazis, because you aren't. Because there are differences in ideologies there.
btw, you have an awful American view on European policy. It's much more nuanced than what you are painting. Most of us are glad to be paying taxes, because we know that there is a safety net in case something goes bad.
Socialist programs don't hurt an economy nearly as much as robbing the poor and the sick blind. My heart goes out to those people who are losing their homes because they had to go to a hospital for a broken leg.
We are glad that we get some money from the state, in case we lose our jobs. Yes, it's a burden on the state, but it's carried by all citizens. We are glad that our health care doesn't cost thousands of dollars for just an x-ray scan. (more like about a hundred euro)
But blaming our current economic woes on socialism, which is what AC was doing, is wrong, thickheaded, and plain stupid. Especially since most of the nations right now haven't been socialist for a number of years! So what we're seeing here isn't socialism eroding our economy, it's conservatism.
Indeed, compared to the US, our conservatives are left wing, but to our way of life, it isn't. And they certainly are NOT socialist! And neither is your bloody president.
You can blame the big labels for that. They caused that mindset to grow. They had a big chance in the early napster days to squelch that, and make money, but instead they went litigious on Napster, causing everything to go underground, and giving free publicity to illegal ways of getting stuff.
Would the Pirate Bay have been as big and well known, had it not for Hollywood's attempts to squash them with laws that didn't apply to the Pirate Bay (DMCA is only valid in the US)?
But I'll give your songs a listen, and see if I can spare a couple of bucks. (having a spot of financial bother, as most people seem to lately)
I love discussion with open minded people. It's a great way to learn.
Perhaps not, but it's also not the case that it's sporadic?
anecdote time: I bought 3 movies based on 1 torrented version.
I'm a huge Discworld fan, and SkyTV had made 3 tv-film adaptations of books in the Discworld series. But I don't live in the UK, and I hadn't heard about any of that.
At some point I found the latest one "Going Postal" on a torrent site, and I got intrigued, downloaded it, watched it, and loved it. At the end of the film the SkyTV announcer came on and talked about the dvds being available for (pre)ordering. So I went online found the dvd of Going Postal, and looked further and found two more from the same company (The Hogfather, and Colour of Magic/The Light Fantastic), I bought all three in one go, the other two sight unseen. And now watching The Hogfather will become my Christmas tradition.
BTW, you are missing a great promotional tool right now. Add an URL to your bands website in the appropriate field, and your name will link back to your own website, who knows you might garner sales through Techdirt!
Most other artists that have embraced the internet are doing it.
Are you losing money, or just not making that money?
Money lost means you must have had it at some point.
Have you asked those people why they didn't pay for it? Could it be that they deemed the price too steep or something? I don't know what you're asking for the disks. Have you tried selling the disks at your gigs?
Have you tried other means of selling your music?
I pride myself into looking at things from ALL directions. And I can understand that struggling artists are annoyed when they hear about people getting their art for free somewhere else, but all that means is that you missed an opportunity. Instead, try putting a paypal button on your site, that says: "if you liked our music, and want to support us, why not send some money our way to offset your karma." or words of those effect.
A download doesn't mean a lost sale. Yes there are people out there that will never pay for the content they grab online. But that's not the full spectrum.
Yes, downloading material without permission is against the law in most countries. I agree with you on that. But the market apparently isn't served in some way.
Do you offer your music on online stores? Do you offer your music on bandcamp? Are you promoting your band on The Pirate Bay: "here's our amazon music page, our itunes page. If you like what you hear, please buy it, we're not the rich folks you may think we are."?
You have the keys to turn the piracy thing into a promotional vehicle and make money. You only have to use it.
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Have you ever even looked at a single Kickstarter campaign, because you sound like you know nothing about them.
It's right there on the page, it states the intended goal, and the current amount raised.
If people then still want to donate, perhaps because they like a certain perk that comes with the donation (in essence you buy the perk with the donation), then they can fucking still do it. It's not like people are being forced to give money.
And if Amanda Palmer estimated a cost of 200,000 dollars, then so be it. Production of physical disks and shipping it across the world can get expensive. And mixing and stuff like that, if you want to hire a good mixer, someone who has talent, that costs serious money too.
You can argue left and right, point is, that she made an estimated amount she'd like to raise to finish her album and get it into the hands of her fans, and people gave her money.
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So what if her husband is richer than the president? Who the fuck cares?
First there have been the many claims from the AC-shills that people just want stuff for free, they don't support artists, because they keep downloading shit from the Pirate Bay.
Except that here, clearly people want to support an artist, to the sum of half a million USD, and again that's bad, because the artist is already rich enough.
You people really don't know when to quit, do you?
If a large group of people are willing to spend a total of 500,000 USD on an artist, and they weren't forced in any way, just be glad for the artist and move on. It's not like people are twisting your arm to contribute, are they?
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And when are you going to remove the Anonymous Coward name? We'd like to know who we are dealing with.
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You still sure it's bullshit? I'll give you bullshit: IFPI's numbers on piracy. That's bullshit.
If the recording labels would have just given the people access to the content that they desired at a reasonable price without too many obstructions, they would've had a fighting chance. Now they are on a Don Quixotian quest to destroy all online piracy.
Well, I say, let them spend their very last dollar, if it'll make them happy. It still won't put the damn cat back in the bag. Piracy was there from the beginning, and has always been there. It's even been a driving force for progress left and right. The labels will have to learn to live with it, with the new reality that with the advent of the Internet, there is no more scarcity for content.
You can't take the file sharing out of the internet, because the internet = file sharing.
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Have you ever used a pen? Did you know that pens were used in several murders?
Should we ban both?
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No matter how many times you and all the other anonymous cowards try to claim it's the same, it's not. It never has been, and never will be. Good day to you, sir/madam.
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Point me to a lawsuit in the UK where the Pirate Bay was found guilty of anything. And now wonder why the recording industry wants it blocked.
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For instance, I could claim to the world that I just drove 180km/h on a Dutch highway, they'd still have to prove that I did, before taking away my drivers license and giving me a hefty fine.
Now if I had uploaded a video of me doing it, then that'd be a different matter all together.
But a mere statement alone isn't enough.
btw, just in case you were wondering, it's just an example, I drive a Prius, I doubt it can go that fast.
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Are you joking?
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If they hadn't done anything to combat the Pirate Bay, it wouldn't have nearly been as ubiquitous as it is today.
All this blocking of the website, all the attempted lawsuits (with the sneering tones of the responses) made The Pirate Bay what it is today. Just a collection of hash-codes to find material that other people are sharing online. (it doesn't host anything, it's just a fucking search engine)
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A whole site was taken down because according to the recording industry a few files on that site might have been infringing on their copyright.
Meanwhile the actual owners of the site were kept in the dark of what was happening.
What's wrong with DUE PROCESS?! Offer the defendant their day in court to disprove any of the allegations.
Oh, no, wait, the constitution goes right out the window as soon as the recording industry gets involved. Who cares about freedom of speech, and freedom of the press, we're dealing with hardened copyright infringers here! Proof? What bloody proof? We don't need no proof, we can wait a year or so, while keeping an innocent blog/news site offline.
You state a lot of if's, and's, or's and but's, but offer no real evidence that Dajaz1.com actually did what you (and your RIAA-masters) claim they have done.
You people make me sick, and make me even more hardened in my lifelong boycott of anything MPAA and RIAA related. You people aren't going to see a cent from me ever again!
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You are funny, trying to find a correlation between poor IP laws and the current economic state of those nations. As if Hollywood has any influence on a nation's economy. (hint: it has none)
Europe is suffering because of the mess that American banks made. And yes, Greece of course. BTW, not paying taxes can hardly be considered socialism.
Wanna talk shop about the US? Which is further in debt than gets reported. It's on the cusp of becoming a third world nation with the disparity between rich and poor.
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Yes, left wing, but for the last bloody time; not socialist! (please read the god damn post the AC made, and then see my post in that perspective)
Compared to Europe, the US is more like the German Third Reich just before the second world war (burning books? removing science material from schools? Inflicting weird ideas of 'democracy' onto other nations? Invading countries?). But I won't be calling all of you nazis, because you aren't. Because there are differences in ideologies there.
btw, you have an awful American view on European policy. It's much more nuanced than what you are painting. Most of us are glad to be paying taxes, because we know that there is a safety net in case something goes bad.
Socialist programs don't hurt an economy nearly as much as robbing the poor and the sick blind. My heart goes out to those people who are losing their homes because they had to go to a hospital for a broken leg.
We are glad that we get some money from the state, in case we lose our jobs. Yes, it's a burden on the state, but it's carried by all citizens. We are glad that our health care doesn't cost thousands of dollars for just an x-ray scan. (more like about a hundred euro)
But blaming our current economic woes on socialism, which is what AC was doing, is wrong, thickheaded, and plain stupid. Especially since most of the nations right now haven't been socialist for a number of years! So what we're seeing here isn't socialism eroding our economy, it's conservatism.
Indeed, compared to the US, our conservatives are left wing, but to our way of life, it isn't. And they certainly are NOT socialist! And neither is your bloody president.
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Would the Pirate Bay have been as big and well known, had it not for Hollywood's attempts to squash them with laws that didn't apply to the Pirate Bay (DMCA is only valid in the US)?
But I'll give your songs a listen, and see if I can spare a couple of bucks. (having a spot of financial bother, as most people seem to lately)
I love discussion with open minded people. It's a great way to learn.
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anecdote time: I bought 3 movies based on 1 torrented version.
I'm a huge Discworld fan, and SkyTV had made 3 tv-film adaptations of books in the Discworld series. But I don't live in the UK, and I hadn't heard about any of that.
At some point I found the latest one "Going Postal" on a torrent site, and I got intrigued, downloaded it, watched it, and loved it. At the end of the film the SkyTV announcer came on and talked about the dvds being available for (pre)ordering. So I went online found the dvd of Going Postal, and looked further and found two more from the same company (The Hogfather, and Colour of Magic/The Light Fantastic), I bought all three in one go, the other two sight unseen. And now watching The Hogfather will become my Christmas tradition.
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Most other artists that have embraced the internet are doing it.
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Money lost means you must have had it at some point.
Have you asked those people why they didn't pay for it? Could it be that they deemed the price too steep or something? I don't know what you're asking for the disks. Have you tried selling the disks at your gigs?
Have you tried other means of selling your music?
I pride myself into looking at things from ALL directions. And I can understand that struggling artists are annoyed when they hear about people getting their art for free somewhere else, but all that means is that you missed an opportunity. Instead, try putting a paypal button on your site, that says: "if you liked our music, and want to support us, why not send some money our way to offset your karma." or words of those effect.
A download doesn't mean a lost sale. Yes there are people out there that will never pay for the content they grab online. But that's not the full spectrum.
Yes, downloading material without permission is against the law in most countries. I agree with you on that. But the market apparently isn't served in some way.
Do you offer your music on online stores? Do you offer your music on bandcamp? Are you promoting your band on The Pirate Bay: "here's our amazon music page, our itunes page. If you like what you hear, please buy it, we're not the rich folks you may think we are."?
You have the keys to turn the piracy thing into a promotional vehicle and make money. You only have to use it.
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