Let's look at it another way too: If you get a Netflix subscription but don't watch network TV as a result because you are too busy watching Netflix, in theory that costs them viewership and therefore money.
I haven't pirated a thing since I got a bank account, but I still have no intentions of ever getting network TV, because that shit's too expensive for something that doesn't even let me decide what shows are on. Between Netflix, Hulu, YouTube and Crunchyroll I can find something new and interesting to watch whenever I want to. If something isn't legally available online I simply won't watch it, and the sale is just as thoroughly lost as if I had decided to watch it illegally. Cable is losing sales because cable sucks.
"wow, 'limited infinity', you do understand infinity by definition is "WITHOUT LIMIT", therefore me saying IN THE REAL WORLD there is no such thing as infinity. It is a pure mathematical concept"
iTunes will never run out of any of its products or go bankrupt from the cost of making more copies. If the notion of a store saying that something's out of stock is silly, then from a practical perspective, that's infinite.
"You dont get to pick the price of anything you decide to purchase, tangable or not. Do you tell your ISP how much you are going to pay them based on the quality of the content of the internet?"
Actually, yes. My family just switched to a new ISP because the one we had was charging too much for the speeds we were getting. That's telling the other ISP to either charge less or deliver more.
"I guess you would only be will to pay the artist painter only the money to cover the cost of the paint and canvas ? and you would object to having to pay $10,000 for an original work, after all the arraingements of that paint and canvas is 'intangable' therefore you get to choose the price for that product?"
I get to not pay $10,000 for a painting. I don't buy paintings all the time, and the ones I do buy aren't worth thousands of dollars. If enough people agree with me that the $10,000 pricing model becomes unsustainable, then the artist will be forced to lower his price until people start buying again. High prices reducing demand is one of the most basic rules of economics. Of course, I don't resent the success of an artist that does manage to sell his work for thousands of dollars, but in no way does that mean that anyone who picks up a brush is allowed to tell everyone else how much they will pay for his work.
I find it hard to believe that the high-end content won't just migrate to somewhere better adapted to the digital age, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. High-end content is dead, the companies that produced it nothing but a broken pile of bankruptcy paperwork and a page on Wikipedia doomed to never be updated again. No multi-million-dollar piece of media will ever be produced again, as people slowly realize that Double Fine and Wasteland 2 really were just flukes that will never be repeated (this is part sarcasm and part contribution to the hypothetical, in case you decide to interpret it as an admission of defeat). You know what happens then? All the mid-end stuff that's floating around rises to the top. Movies and series are made with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars, and they're just as cool as they always were (no, seriously, check out L5; that show was made with $15k and has special effects and acting comparable to some of the late 90's better offerings). No actor will ever be paid millions of dollars per role again, but they will earn enough to live comfortably. Video games, are, of course, safe from all this, as the existence of Steam mostly protects them from the ravages of the Internet. People are making awesome music for no good reason all the time, and with the fall of the "high-end" stuff everyone else realizes that there wasn't really a high end there to begin with. Today's feast is tomorrow's buffet. It's not that terrible.
Then current media will be supplied by those who aren't taking any risk. I don't see how this is a problem for anyone except the small, elite cadre of American translators who take several months to translate a comic. Japan isn't going to stop making stuff just because it isn't selling in America, and fans aren't going to stop getting stuff just because it isn't sold in America.
Does worldwide release and multiple available formats somehow become more difficult once money gets involved? I was under the impression that relying on people to do things for free meant it was done worse.
A few shows have been made available in torrent form from the outset, which should be close enough considering that the Pirate Bay is at best a distributor. None of them have made a lot of money, but that has less to do with the worldwide distribution and more to do with the completely optional payment system.
Most people just want one of five formats, tops. And it's not that hard to do, as anyone who's ever bought from Bandcamp would be able to tell you. Whenever and wherever without restriction actually requires less code than limiting the when and where, so I'm not sure how that is a great hurdle, and, again, Bandcamp does that. Sharing on Facebook is also something Bandcamp does, in the form of likes and the ability to listen to an entire track or album before buying it. I'm not sure if it qualifies as cheap for most people or not, but I've never had a problem with the pricing. Having music used in talentless rap never hurt anyone, since the rapper must first have that music and the listeners won't use it as a substitute for the original music because it's got all that talentless rap in it.
So yeah, basically what people are asking for is wider adoption of a system that already exists, not some great technological hurdle the likes of which would drive Sony bankrupt.
The success of Kickstarter shows that people are quite literally willing to pay the price to get things made. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they aren't from.
"Wait a sec here. You are saying that someone who created something, that everyone wants, should for whatever reason have to be a monk and take a pledge of modesty and poverty, just to suffer as an artist?"
Did you even read the article, or did you just glance at the title? People are fine with paying under certain conditions, such as if the money is actually going to the artist.
"But you do want it for free. How much is the streaming service worth to you if the music isn't there? What if they were just streaming Marcus Carab rap songs all day? Where is the value?"
I'm curious how pointing out that the music streaming service he pays for gets value from the music it offers is supposed to show that he wants music for free.
Is it also the job of the police to have everyone shred their bank statements before throwing them away? It's nice that they seem to be acknowledging that extralegal steps can be taken to prevent crime, but this also sounds like an extension of the "everything becomes worse if the Internet is involved" meme that governments seem to have taken to using.
That's the thing, though: banning guns from the military would be idiotic. A military without guns is not a military. You either dissolve the military or you don't; keeping unarmed soldiers on the payroll makes no sense. Likewise, if the NSA doesn't have the equipment to read emails, they should either be removed from the budget or given the equipment to read emails.
Such circumstances would be suspicious, if it were possible to predict when earthquakes would happen with anything resembling reliability. However, since modern seismologists are lucky if they can get the right year, it seems unlikely that Mexico has figured it out to within a day.
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All I'm asking is for people to realize that organization=people doesn't mean people=organization. The most common way of expressing that concept is with squares and rectangles. I'm not saying that the laws are reasonable, or that it's a prefect analogy, I'm just saying that it's stupid to think that organizations being people makes everyone an organization.
If he's telling the truth, the NSA is being very poorly handled. I an intelligence agency that lacks the equipment to read my emails is about as useful as a military that lacks the equipment to kill me.
If the NSA lacks the technological ability to read emails, they're so far behind everyone else on the planet that there's no longer any point in keeping them funded. If anons can do something, there's no excuse for a government-funded agency to be unable to do it. They should lose their budget privileges until they figure out how to hack my email.
He also seems to be indicating that US emails are somehow fundamentally different from foreign emails. He's either lying or clueless.
E-rated games can be more subversive than most give them credit for. Viva Pinata, for example, encourages children to beat pinatas until they break by showing candy coming out of the dead pinatas. Clearly we need to limit exposure to such violent imagery.
Well, Apple has a nice garden. I imagine the RIAA's websites will look more like something out of Indiana Jones, complete with a product that kills whoever picks it up.
I'm betting that even if this passes, normal people will just keep putting .com at the end of everything, leading to an increase in .music.com scamming domains.
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I haven't pirated a thing since I got a bank account, but I still have no intentions of ever getting network TV, because that shit's too expensive for something that doesn't even let me decide what shows are on. Between Netflix, Hulu, YouTube and Crunchyroll I can find something new and interesting to watch whenever I want to. If something isn't legally available online I simply won't watch it, and the sale is just as thoroughly lost as if I had decided to watch it illegally. Cable is losing sales because cable sucks.
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iTunes will never run out of any of its products or go bankrupt from the cost of making more copies. If the notion of a store saying that something's out of stock is silly, then from a practical perspective, that's infinite.
"You dont get to pick the price of anything you decide to purchase, tangable or not. Do you tell your ISP how much you are going to pay them based on the quality of the content of the internet?"
Actually, yes. My family just switched to a new ISP because the one we had was charging too much for the speeds we were getting. That's telling the other ISP to either charge less or deliver more.
"I guess you would only be will to pay the artist painter only the money to cover the cost of the paint and canvas ? and you would object to having to pay $10,000 for an original work, after all the arraingements of that paint and canvas is 'intangable' therefore you get to choose the price for that product?"
I get to not pay $10,000 for a painting. I don't buy paintings all the time, and the ones I do buy aren't worth thousands of dollars. If enough people agree with me that the $10,000 pricing model becomes unsustainable, then the artist will be forced to lower his price until people start buying again. High prices reducing demand is one of the most basic rules of economics. Of course, I don't resent the success of an artist that does manage to sell his work for thousands of dollars, but in no way does that mean that anyone who picks up a brush is allowed to tell everyone else how much they will pay for his work.
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A few shows have been made available in torrent form from the outset, which should be close enough considering that the Pirate Bay is at best a distributor. None of them have made a lot of money, but that has less to do with the worldwide distribution and more to do with the completely optional payment system.
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So yeah, basically what people are asking for is wider adoption of a system that already exists, not some great technological hurdle the likes of which would drive Sony bankrupt.
The success of Kickstarter shows that people are quite literally willing to pay the price to get things made. I'm not sure where you got the idea that they aren't from.
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Did you even read the article, or did you just glance at the title? People are fine with paying under certain conditions, such as if the money is actually going to the artist.
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I'm curious how pointing out that the music streaming service he pays for gets value from the music it offers is supposed to show that he wants music for free.
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He also seems to be indicating that US emails are somehow fundamentally different from foreign emails. He's either lying or clueless.
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