When Twitter was smaller, it just wouldn't be feasible. Now I'm sure it would try to direct lawsuits to tweeters rather than Twitter itself, and then keep a special batch of highly-venomous lawyers to make any suit long and arduous while another lawyer countersues.
IANAL and don't know exactly how it works (so I might be thinking of it like a super-powered fight in The Boys) But I do know a legal warchest and a team of blue-haired lawyers seems to be the recipe for copyright domination.
Kamala Harris was spearheading going after Craigslist and later Backpage when CL removed its personal ads.
All the pre-post moderation algos used to advise a user about inappropriate ads was used against Backpage suggesting it was advising traffickers how to get around anti-trafficking laws.
A hole was carved in Section 230, which not only killed personal ads (outside members-only pages) but also drove trafficked victims to the streets and killed peer-support for sex workers.
But it means we know how much damage will be done if any holes are carved out of 230, and we know Washington will give zero fucks, considering they call it a success even though trafficking is higher (though less visibly so).
We've had at least a couple of incidents in which a high school student posted (obvious) rap lyrics on his status page, which displeased the high school admin or the local precinct or both, leading to expulsion and jail time.
The way Wednesday played out, I can safely guess Trump wanted it. Now I know a bit more than you do about the logistics it takes to quarantine cities or put them under martial law or to shut down utilities, and it is considerably harder than you think.
But maybe you're better off imagining that it could have been done if Trump wasn't so profoundly incompetent.
Because yeah, he is ready to kill to stay in power.
And while he is an idiot (and probably senile), he's still hooked you like a jewel beetle humping a beer bottle, happy to die for him.
But also because the next guy might be smarter, and he'll know the beer bottle trick as well, and if you're not smarter, you'll end up doing time or soaking bullets for him (and glad for the privilege).
Of course, it's not my place to tell you being a sucker for a confidence guy is a bad aspiration. If you want to be cannon fodder for a tin-plated dictator, you do you.
It's not projection from me personally. I'm super into not committing crimes against humanity, and super into living in a nation that doesn't do that. Haha! What a sucker I was, right?
But not as much of a sucker as Team Trump. The credulity that you guys have shown your peerless leader would get me mocked out of my middle school. You make the flat-earthers seem sensible.
It was the freedom to be racist, I bet. That talk about brown people being criminals and rapists and throwing everyone in jail he didn't like. Trumpers soaked that up like crystal meth. I bet you guys are jonesing for your lord and master's sweet dulcet tones something hard right now, while he's all quiet.
You should hear the guys desperate to let him back on Twitter. I lived in the recovery community. I know junkie talk when I hear it. It's that.
But yeah, you guys won on an Electoral College victory in 2016 (without a majority). You should have been playing it cautious, figuring that you need to share the bread and save some seats at the circus for the other Americans. You know, the ones you don't like that much and denied a bunch of federal bench seats to, including a SCOTUS bench.
But no. You teabagged the libs like it was a landslide. You celebrated with Liberal Tears mugs. You mocked our safe spaces and trigger warnings. You called us special snowflakes soon forgetting what that even meant. And when Trump started being snowflakey and sensitive, the double standard was totally evident. This was your country now and totally not ours.
So the seats are about to swap, and now you guys are calling for unity? For forgiveness? For consolation?
You mocked us for years and reinstated private prisons and tore kids away from parents and cut off food and welfare benefits, and when hurricanes, wildfires and a plague came, you were glad to let the people rot and die. And they did.
So yeah, I just want a system that works like my teachers once told me. (They lied. I believed them.) I think we need to work together to advance, and considering what suckers 73,000,000 voters were, I'm coming to realize the human ape might just be too stupid. But that's my internal debate.
So the answer is no. Everyone here who is assuming the system is just is proceeding on no evidence.
Yeah, that's really stupid considering how many institutions cover up their arbitrary bullshit.
Until I see evidence that Parler is being outrageously reasonable, I'm going to presume it's as ruthless as every other platform, and you guys are just being partisan.
But you can change my mind with evidence. If you care.
Maybe Christians are not very good at Christianing
Catholics are not white Evangelicals when it comes to politics.
Are you sure you read what I wrote? I thought I made that clear.
In 2016, the White Catholics vote 60% Trump according to pew research. So yeah, I was wrong. Latin Christians were 77% Clinton supporters, so they're an entirely different voting bloc.
Still 81% of Evangelicals are staunch Trump voters, and plenty of them gave him a mulligan regarding his sinful past.
In 2020, according to Pew Catholics were closer to 50%, though the Register notes practicing Catholics (that is those that actually go to church, pay tithes, have regular confessions and so on) it was closer to 60%. It's not clear whether this includes both White and Latin.
I don't think I'm the problem when it comes to people writing off large segments of the population. I'm not the one campaigning for office telling the world that Latins are criminals and rapists.
I will never argue that someone cannot be Christian (or any other religion or ideology). Only, when someone practices their faith through discriminatory behavior or by pressuring establishment to enact discriminatory policy I will assert these actions are contrary to pluralistic civilization, and to the American Way. And that person should stop doing that and be ashamed no matter what his or her religion is.
Of course, this happens a lot. Many churches hate women and gays given they prioritize suppressing both women and LGBT+ over even their wars on hunger and on poverty. Big Religion in the US pushed to get Justice Barrett onto the bench to undo Roe (which she might not do) and assert that Incorporated persons are more equal than human persons (which she definitely will do.) So yeah, we have some big faith players who are moving to make American lives worth less.
I would argue many religious institutions are systemically unrighteous and contemptible. And this includes the CDF no matter what Pope Francis says in media spots. It's evident that religious institutions favor power and politics over creating good in the world.
And given the known character of Trump before 2016, it's telling that his religious votes were profoundly higher than Clinton's and Biden's, the reverse should have been true if Christians were consistent about adhering to their own creeds.
But instead, they gave him a mulligan.
And that taught me that sin is for other people. Untermenschen. Friends and fellow parishioners get mulligans.
You won't convince me that Christianity is worthwhile, Anonymous but you might be able to convince me you're trying really hard to do right, and to be a good Christian.
But only if you cared what I thought for some reason.
Deskman (the guy with his feet on Pelosi's desk) is Richard Barnett from Arkansas, and did the FBI the courtesy of turning himself in. He's also cultivated a social media presence as a staunch Trump supporter and gun rights advocate, and believes face masks (to prevent the spread of COVID-19) is the precursor to forehead chips (to track our location and thoughts? I'm not sure why in the forehead.)
Mason-Jar was arrested in the Capitol and was identified as Falkville, Alabama man, Lonnie Coffman. Eleven Molotov-Cocktail-style bombs made of mason jars filled with homemade napalm were later found in his truck nearby. He had an (unlicensed? improperly licensed?) handgun on his person when he was arrested. An additional handgun and an M4 Carbine assault rifle were also found in his vehicle. Conversations with police revealed he knew about the bombs placed within the Capitol building.
Death-Text is Georgia man Cleveland Meredith Jr. who has a history of sending SMS texts threatening physical harm to House Speaker Pelosi. I'm not sure if this means he has a number where Pelosi receives texts or he's texting someone else saying I totally want to hurt that Nancy woman. Meredith's social media habits show that he likes Trump, QAnon claims and sharing fringe hypotheses about the less-wholesome activities of Democrats and libs. Or that's what Antifa wants you to think.
Other names arrested include: Mark Leffingwell; Christopher Alberts, of Maryland; Joshua Pruitt; Matthew Council, of Florida; Cindy Fitchett, of Virginia; Michael Curzio, of Florida; Douglas Sweet, of Florida; Bradley Ruskelas, of Illinois; Terry Brown, of Pennsylvania; Thomas Gallagher. I haven't researched them yet. Are any of these names familiar to my fellow Antifa comrades?
Thanks to our Laissez-faire economy (and our mostly captured regulatory agencies) we have no standards for news that they need to be based on truth.
And that leaves the responsibility to the rest of us to actually reserve credulity for all reports until they can confirmed to be plausible and more or less true. I get my news from multiple sources, only some of which are MSM. And news I care about I confirm across multiple sources.
I get that the rest of the US can't do that, usually because they have to exhaust themselves to earn a living, meaning they don't have the time and energy to parent, recreate or inform themselves enough to perform civic duties. It's a symptom of a failing state.
This is where things are. You're trying to balance a plate in a galestorm. Also I suspect the insurgency is far from over, now that entire falsehoods are accepted as adequate news and information by more than half the country.
Yeah, I get my policy from the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance, who regards as Christian anyone who self-identifies as one.
And this is necessary because according to the Catholics, extra Ecclesiam nulla salus or No salvation outside the [Roman Catholic] Church. (They might give the orthodox churches a pass. The same goes for the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the largest denomination in the US. So one way or another there are a whole bunch of Americans who think you are not true Christian, whereas I do.
(The Universalists believe everyone gets salvation, Christian or otherwise, which I respect. You may think they are false, but they don't think the same of you.)
But we saw both in 2016 and 2020 that 80% of White Protestant Evangelicals and 80% of Catholics voted for the irreligious guy who lies about his convictions, who is a known adulterer and a known racketeer (by orders of magnitude compared to the other candidate). So no, I don't give Christians the benefit of doubt that I might have a few years go. They gladly discard creed for pragmatism when it suits them, and we now have demonstrable evidence that religion does not convey moral fiber at all.
Perhaps we should do right not because it's a religious edict but because there's rational cause to do it that way.
I have a hypothesis that the Trump GOP hierarchy is a pyramid of chumps with each tier playing confidence games on their subordinates. While my evidence so far is only anecdotal, so far I've not yet seen a counterexample.
Guy Hornhat has been arrested. He is Jake Angeli aka Arizona man, Jacob Anthony Chansley charged (at the moment) [with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. (Source: AP). Chansley's in-costume persona is well known at Pro-Trump protests and public gatherings.
Does anyone want to argue that he's really an Antifa provocateur? (Damn, Antifa is so good at this!)
Then there's Lectern Man, the guy who made off with Nancy Pelosi's podium. He is Adam Johnson of Parrish, Florida, meaning he's Florida Man in disguise. Also, father of five. He too concealed his secret Antifa allegances with a social media history of anti-BLM sentiments. He too has been arrested (on charges of theft, at least).
So raise your hand if you think that was a Russian water tentacle.
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Twitter and section 230
When Twitter was smaller, it just wouldn't be feasible. Now I'm sure it would try to direct lawsuits to tweeters rather than Twitter itself, and then keep a special batch of highly-venomous lawyers to make any suit long and arduous while another lawyer countersues.
IANAL and don't know exactly how it works (so I might be thinking of it like a super-powered fight in The Boys) But I do know a legal warchest and a team of blue-haired lawyers seems to be the recipe for copyright domination.
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The whole Backpage Affair was Harris' thing
Kamala Harris was spearheading going after Craigslist and later Backpage when CL removed its personal ads.
All the pre-post moderation algos used to advise a user about inappropriate ads was used against Backpage suggesting it was advising traffickers how to get around anti-trafficking laws.
A hole was carved in Section 230, which not only killed personal ads (outside members-only pages) but also drove trafficked victims to the streets and killed peer-support for sex workers.
But it means we know how much damage will be done if any holes are carved out of 230, and we know Washington will give zero fucks, considering they call it a success even though trafficking is higher (though less visibly so).
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it happens often enough.
We've had at least a couple of incidents in which a high school student posted (obvious) rap lyrics on his status page, which displeased the high school admin or the local precinct or both, leading to expulsion and jail time.
Are you thinking of something like that, maybe?
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If Trump wanted that [he] would have it
The way Wednesday played out, I can safely guess Trump wanted it. Now I know a bit more than you do about the logistics it takes to quarantine cities or put them under martial law or to shut down utilities, and it is considerably harder than you think.
But maybe you're better off imagining that it could have been done if Trump wasn't so profoundly incompetent.
Because yeah, he is ready to kill to stay in power.
And while he is an idiot (and probably senile), he's still hooked you like a jewel beetle humping a beer bottle, happy to die for him.
But also because the next guy might be smarter, and he'll know the beer bottle trick as well, and if you're not smarter, you'll end up doing time or soaking bullets for him (and glad for the privilege).
Of course, it's not my place to tell you being a sucker for a confidence guy is a bad aspiration. If you want to be cannon fodder for a tin-plated dictator, you do you.
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"Cleansing Trump supporters"
That does sound pretty sinister, doesn't it?
It's not projection from me personally. I'm super into not committing crimes against humanity, and super into living in a nation that doesn't do that. Haha! What a sucker I was, right?
But not as much of a sucker as Team Trump. The credulity that you guys have shown your peerless leader would get me mocked out of my middle school. You make the flat-earthers seem sensible.
It was the freedom to be racist, I bet. That talk about brown people being criminals and rapists and throwing everyone in jail he didn't like. Trumpers soaked that up like crystal meth. I bet you guys are jonesing for your lord and master's sweet dulcet tones something hard right now, while he's all quiet.
You should hear the guys desperate to let him back on Twitter. I lived in the recovery community. I know junkie talk when I hear it. It's that.
But yeah, you guys won on an Electoral College victory in 2016 (without a majority). You should have been playing it cautious, figuring that you need to share the bread and save some seats at the circus for the other Americans. You know, the ones you don't like that much and denied a bunch of federal bench seats to, including a SCOTUS bench.
But no. You teabagged the libs like it was a landslide. You celebrated with Liberal Tears mugs. You mocked our safe spaces and trigger warnings. You called us special snowflakes soon forgetting what that even meant. And when Trump started being snowflakey and sensitive, the double standard was totally evident. This was your country now and totally not ours.
So the seats are about to swap, and now you guys are calling for unity? For forgiveness? For consolation?
You mocked us for years and reinstated private prisons and tore kids away from parents and cut off food and welfare benefits, and when hurricanes, wildfires and a plague came, you were glad to let the people rot and die. And they did.
So yeah, I just want a system that works like my teachers once told me. (They lied. I believed them.) I think we need to work together to advance, and considering what suckers 73,000,000 voters were, I'm coming to realize the human ape might just be too stupid. But that's my internal debate.
But yes, a lot of people want revenge.
🍿❄
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Evidence
So the answer is no. Everyone here who is assuming the system is just is proceeding on no evidence.
Yeah, that's really stupid considering how many institutions cover up their arbitrary bullshit.
Until I see evidence that Parler is being outrageously reasonable, I'm going to presume it's as ruthless as every other platform, and you guys are just being partisan.
But you can change my mind with evidence. If you care.
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Re: Of course no actual quotes of the posts that got them banned
Ah, what they probably said or did. The cross-bar on the boar spear used to kill the last vestiges of guilt or regret.
Sure I took his money. He probably stole it. Probably was going to use it for drugs.
Man movie tropes are breaking out like hives these days.
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"I saw nothing wrong with it"
You might want to give Stephen Miller a call. I'm sure he could use a bright eyed intern that has no cringe reflex.
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Identified individuals from BLM at the Capitol
Then you have a name and a source to share with us. Yes?
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Maybe Christians are not very good at Christianing
Catholics are not white Evangelicals when it comes to politics.
Are you sure you read what I wrote? I thought I made that clear.
In 2016, the White Catholics vote 60% Trump according to pew research. So yeah, I was wrong. Latin Christians were 77% Clinton supporters, so they're an entirely different voting bloc.
Still 81% of Evangelicals are staunch Trump voters, and plenty of them gave him a mulligan regarding his sinful past.
In 2020, according to Pew Catholics were closer to 50%, though the Register notes practicing Catholics (that is those that actually go to church, pay tithes, have regular confessions and so on) it was closer to 60%. It's not clear whether this includes both White and Latin.
I don't think I'm the problem when it comes to people writing off large segments of the population. I'm not the one campaigning for office telling the world that Latins are criminals and rapists.
I will never argue that someone cannot be Christian (or any other religion or ideology). Only, when someone practices their faith through discriminatory behavior or by pressuring establishment to enact discriminatory policy I will assert these actions are contrary to pluralistic civilization, and to the American Way. And that person should stop doing that and be ashamed no matter what his or her religion is.
Of course, this happens a lot. Many churches hate women and gays given they prioritize suppressing both women and LGBT+ over even their wars on hunger and on poverty. Big Religion in the US pushed to get Justice Barrett onto the bench to undo Roe (which she might not do) and assert that Incorporated persons are more equal than human persons (which she definitely will do.) So yeah, we have some big faith players who are moving to make American lives worth less.
I would argue many religious institutions are systemically unrighteous and contemptible. And this includes the CDF no matter what Pope Francis says in media spots. It's evident that religious institutions favor power and politics over creating good in the world.
And given the known character of Trump before 2016, it's telling that his religious votes were profoundly higher than Clinton's and Biden's, the reverse should have been true if Christians were consistent about adhering to their own creeds.
But instead, they gave him a mulligan.
And that taught me that sin is for other people. Untermenschen. Friends and fellow parishioners get mulligans.
You won't convince me that Christianity is worthwhile, Anonymous but you might be able to convince me you're trying really hard to do right, and to be a good Christian.
But only if you cared what I thought for some reason.
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Antifa special-forces shadow queers behind every tree!
I should direct you up here. Maybe you know some of these people.
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More plot(ters)
Deskman (the guy with his feet on Pelosi's desk) is Richard Barnett from Arkansas, and did the FBI the courtesy of turning himself in. He's also cultivated a social media presence as a staunch Trump supporter and gun rights advocate, and believes face masks (to prevent the spread of COVID-19) is the precursor to forehead chips (to track our location and thoughts? I'm not sure why in the forehead.)
Mason-Jar was arrested in the Capitol and was identified as Falkville, Alabama man, Lonnie Coffman. Eleven Molotov-Cocktail-style bombs made of mason jars filled with homemade napalm were later found in his truck nearby. He had an (unlicensed? improperly licensed?) handgun on his person when he was arrested. An additional handgun and an M4 Carbine assault rifle were also found in his vehicle. Conversations with police revealed he knew about the bombs placed within the Capitol building.
Death-Text is Georgia man Cleveland Meredith Jr. who has a history of sending SMS texts threatening physical harm to House Speaker Pelosi. I'm not sure if this means he has a number where Pelosi receives texts or he's texting someone else saying I totally want to hurt that Nancy woman. Meredith's social media habits show that he likes Trump, QAnon claims and sharing fringe hypotheses about the less-wholesome activities of Democrats and libs. Or that's what Antifa wants you to think.
Other names arrested include: Mark Leffingwell; Christopher Alberts, of Maryland; Joshua Pruitt; Matthew Council, of Florida; Cindy Fitchett, of Virginia; Michael Curzio, of Florida; Douglas Sweet, of Florida; Bradley Ruskelas, of Illinois; Terry Brown, of Pennsylvania; Thomas Gallagher. I haven't researched them yet. Are any of these names familiar to my fellow Antifa comrades?
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"people who threaten or submit lude content"
Of course you have actual evidence of this, yes?
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Thanks to our
Thanks to our Laissez-faire economy (and our mostly captured regulatory agencies) we have no standards for news that they need to be based on truth.
And that leaves the responsibility to the rest of us to actually reserve credulity for all reports until they can confirmed to be plausible and more or less true. I get my news from multiple sources, only some of which are MSM. And news I care about I confirm across multiple sources.
I get that the rest of the US can't do that, usually because they have to exhaust themselves to earn a living, meaning they don't have the time and energy to parent, recreate or inform themselves enough to perform civic duties. It's a symptom of a failing state.
This is where things are. You're trying to balance a plate in a galestorm. Also I suspect the insurgency is far from over, now that entire falsehoods are accepted as adequate news and information by more than half the country.
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True Christians
Yeah, I get my policy from the Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance, who regards as Christian anyone who self-identifies as one.
And this is necessary because according to the Catholics, extra Ecclesiam nulla salus or No salvation outside the [Roman Catholic] Church. (They might give the orthodox churches a pass. The same goes for the Southern Baptist Convention, which is the largest denomination in the US. So one way or another there are a whole bunch of Americans who think you are not true Christian, whereas I do.
(The Universalists believe everyone gets salvation, Christian or otherwise, which I respect. You may think they are false, but they don't think the same of you.)
But we saw both in 2016 and 2020 that 80% of White Protestant Evangelicals and 80% of Catholics voted for the irreligious guy who lies about his convictions, who is a known adulterer and a known racketeer (by orders of magnitude compared to the other candidate). So no, I don't give Christians the benefit of doubt that I might have a few years go. They gladly discard creed for pragmatism when it suits them, and we now have demonstrable evidence that religion does not convey moral fiber at all.
Perhaps we should do right not because it's a religious edict but because there's rational cause to do it that way.
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facepunched for their ignorance
Elizabeth from Knoxville did on Wednesday. I think it's the first time a (proverbial) dog snapped at her for taunting him.
Confronting Vader is all fun and games until someone loses a hand.
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"closet fascist"
Yeah, I don't think I made the argument you think I made.
VIPs talking to each other and relaying important information to the people: good.
VIPs lying on mass media and making contrafactual claims to incite loyalists to violence and subversive action: bad.
Does that help?
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Ugh.
Stupid markup errors.
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"Not all supporters of Trump are racists"
Yeah, I [gave them the benefit of doubt once]
(https://strangenewwords.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/boaty-mcboatface/). I have since been corrected by observations from multiple sources.
I have a hypothesis that the Trump GOP hierarchy is a pyramid of chumps with each tier playing confidence games on their subordinates. While my evidence so far is only anecdotal, so far I've not yet seen a counterexample.
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The plot thickens!
Guy Hornhat has been arrested. He is Jake Angeli aka Arizona man, Jacob Anthony Chansley charged (at the moment) [with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds. (Source: AP). Chansley's in-costume persona is well known at Pro-Trump protests and public gatherings.
Does anyone want to argue that he's really an Antifa provocateur? (Damn, Antifa is so good at this!)
Then there's Lectern Man, the guy who made off with Nancy Pelosi's podium. He is Adam Johnson of Parrish, Florida, meaning he's Florida Man in disguise. Also, father of five. He too concealed his secret Antifa allegances with a social media history of anti-BLM sentiments. He too has been arrested (on charges of theft, at least).
So raise your hand if you think that was a Russian water tentacle.
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