Re: Re: Those agencies get their own ad revenue from page views
Before what? What changed that took away their ad revenue? Be honest, was it that search engines stopped sending traffic? Did the search engines steal their ad revenue, and if you claim so, how (please be detailed and specific).
Or did the new agencies find it easier to re-post AP and Reuters articles while acting as stenographers for the governments and politician they cover? They got rid of their investigative reporters, who tended to start their own blogs, and now blogs are where readers find interesting stories and not at the news agencies, and the readers took their page views with them. Which caused the news agencies to ask out loud, how the hell did that happen?
Given the above, what the search engines are guilty of is posting appealing snippets about news stories (sometimes from blogs) rather than news agencies and the excuse of snippet usage is merely the vehicle to create an ongoing cash flow.
Before thinking about turning the tables, you should ask yourself what US news agencies would do without search engines (it is NOT just a Google thing, and Facebook is included because money (I don't use Facebook so I don't know how it works over there)) to send them traffic. From what I am seeing, they seem to be having problems, even with the traffic search engines send. Without those search referrals, they might not exist anymore.
And to be clear, Google makes money on their search, through advertising, but they aren't taking anything away from the news agencies they refer. Those agencies get their own ad revenue from page views, often sent by search engines.
The complaint is that the search engines are using their IP and not compensating the IP owners. They aren't thinking about fair use (or fair dealing as it is called in some parts of the world), or the benefit to them from the search engine snippets that are used to send them traffic. No, no, they want the benefit and some cash too.
I think we would be better off blaming the coronavirus for the unemployment situation.
We can blame Trump for his delayed and so far weak response (including your assertion that his actions will benefit the rich more than the majority). We can also blame Trump for doing everything he can to deflect responsibility while impugning those who tell us about more reasonable responses. The governor of NY wants us all to wear face masks, but the proper N95 face masks are not available, and Trump wants those that make face masks in the US to sell only to the government. The list of things Trump could have done is long and getting longer, but I doubt we can seriously blame Trump for the virus itself.
We will also be able to blame him for rushing to get the economy fully functioning faster than we should as it appears that it may take a lot more time than the remainder of this month for things to settle down. If history is any precursor to the future we can expect Trump to do many more things for which we can blame him as well.
Unfortunately our tone deaf, politically motivated SCOTUS thought otherwise when they decided Citizens United. That quote should go for anyone who is not an actual constituent of the party in question, and then limited to some reasonable amount. I know the reasonable amount currently exists, but it is only for constituents, the PAC's and corporate givers seem to be able to do whatever they want.
Agreed. But then think of the 'special masters' that will line up to 'take over'. What are the way's they will benefit from the 'restructuring'? I know, good, bad or indifferent someone has to be in charge, and there probably isn't another way to go about it, but (again) there should be some rules about the appointed person(s) (I have some experience in taking over companies in trouble and one cannot do it alone) and their friends and relatives and how they may or may not benefit from insider knowledge.
We haven't solved that problem with our legislative representatives, and only partially with our corporate officers, so how do we solve this one, in advance?
I wonder if that action is enough to get Trump interested in what is happening in Puerto Rico again? Like hurricane relief for example. I can see where being publicly ignored by a government that is at least quasi under his umbrella would piss him off.
Is it possible that the homeowners lawyer(s) failed to ask the right questions, make the right arguments, or follow some procedure correctly? We have seen appeals courts deny sensible responses because of some of the above in other cases.
The difficulty will be getting the electorate to focus on this issue rather than a certain pandemic that is wandering around. On the good side, folks sequestered at home might have time to deal with it. On the other side, getting their attention might be a problem.
Sorry, I feel no need to apologize for not caring about video game tournaments. If they wanted to be clear the could have called them etournaments rather than esports. As to chess being a sport, I don't think of it as a sport, and for the reason you mentioned.
Don't get me wrong, I play video games. Well some. But I am not vested in them in any big way, and I don't compete, except against myself. So I am not anti video games, nor am I anti video game tournaments. The thing that got me was when people from the professional sports world got into playing the video game versions because they could no longer compete in person due to social distancing, and the thought they could compete against more practiced video gamers, it just felt very wrong.
Re: Re: Integrity in Politics, seriously not joking
A lottery is not an entirely terrible idea. There would have to be some limits though. Reading comprehension (not that our current lawmakers read the bills they vote on) some math competency (not that our lawmakers comprehend how long it will take to pay off the national debt), and we should probably screen for sociopaths (which would eliminate most CEO's, aspiring CEO's and probably a large portion of the so called 1%).
RTBF, a country without a past, present, or apparently future
It appears to me that the French News Agencies are trying to exercise their right to be forgotten, but for the entire country, not just themselves. Google's opening line should be 'nice traffic you've got there, wouldn't want anything to happen to that, so what do you have for us?'.
The nuclear option would certainly aid in the forgetting of France, and given the 'mandate' in the order described in the article, it seems like Google's best move (we're moving to Belgium, see ya), as the News Agencies won't back down without the promise of some more money in their pockets.
Then, since it is supposed to be a negotiation, what would be the News Agencies next offer? Given France's history, surrender is a possibility.
My impression is that esports is the digital replication of regular sports such as basketball, football (both kinds), NASCAR or F1 racing (if those are categorized as sports), baseball, golf, etc., and the skills I think are prevalent in those have to do with thumb/finger/mouse speed and hand eye coordination, but have nothing to do with running, throwing, kicking, catching, bunting, hook shots, or endurance, etc.
Now I am unfamiliar with the games you listed, but they don't sound like sports to me. They may be part of tournaments that show up on esports channels, but since I haven't, don't, and won't look in on those, that mystery shall remain a mystery to me. Maybe the issue is that digital tournaments and esports have become conflated?
Well, I have given up on regular sports, especially the professional kind. That has drifted to include college sports as well as olympic sports (I refuse to capitalize that anymore). That attitude grew over time as the games became more and more about money than sport. I worry about the impending encroachment on high school sports.
It is, but the question is does it need the additional surveillance from the government when there are already systems for this purpose in place? Then there are the questions of additional risk that the new surveillance won't stop when the crisis is over, and the competence of Kushner and his secret task force, what are their real intentions? Why is it secret when the emergency is national and impacts everyone?
Not that I would participate in, or watch, or even follow esports of any kind, the fact remains that esports are not sports. Yes there is probably skill involved, it still isn't the same thing as the sport being replicated. So it will be interesting when (not if) some basement dwelling gnome takes on a real sport legend in an esport tournament and cleans their clock. Oh, the horror. All that ego and testosterone going down the drain.
I fully expect the reports to be widespread and hard to miss the headlines, but eager to hear Mr. Geigner's take on the situation when it happens.
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From your description, other than name, how is that different than the Democratic party?
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Or maybe "Unshocking Report: Trump Admin Is Hysterically Terrible"
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Re: Re: Those agencies get their own ad revenue from page views
Before what? What changed that took away their ad revenue? Be honest, was it that search engines stopped sending traffic? Did the search engines steal their ad revenue, and if you claim so, how (please be detailed and specific).
Or did the new agencies find it easier to re-post AP and Reuters articles while acting as stenographers for the governments and politician they cover? They got rid of their investigative reporters, who tended to start their own blogs, and now blogs are where readers find interesting stories and not at the news agencies, and the readers took their page views with them. Which caused the news agencies to ask out loud, how the hell did that happen?
Given the above, what the search engines are guilty of is posting appealing snippets about news stories (sometimes from blogs) rather than news agencies and the excuse of snippet usage is merely the vehicle to create an ongoing cash flow.
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Re: Not Just France
Before thinking about turning the tables, you should ask yourself what US news agencies would do without search engines (it is NOT just a Google thing, and Facebook is included because money (I don't use Facebook so I don't know how it works over there)) to send them traffic. From what I am seeing, they seem to be having problems, even with the traffic search engines send. Without those search referrals, they might not exist anymore.
And to be clear, Google makes money on their search, through advertising, but they aren't taking anything away from the news agencies they refer. Those agencies get their own ad revenue from page views, often sent by search engines.
The complaint is that the search engines are using their IP and not compensating the IP owners. They aren't thinking about fair use (or fair dealing as it is called in some parts of the world), or the benefit to them from the search engine snippets that are used to send them traffic. No, no, they want the benefit and some cash too.
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So, you've tasted both?
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I think we would be better off blaming the coronavirus for the unemployment situation.
We can blame Trump for his delayed and so far weak response (including your assertion that his actions will benefit the rich more than the majority). We can also blame Trump for doing everything he can to deflect responsibility while impugning those who tell us about more reasonable responses. The governor of NY wants us all to wear face masks, but the proper N95 face masks are not available, and Trump wants those that make face masks in the US to sell only to the government. The list of things Trump could have done is long and getting longer, but I doubt we can seriously blame Trump for the virus itself.
We will also be able to blame him for rushing to get the economy fully functioning faster than we should as it appears that it may take a lot more time than the remainder of this month for things to settle down. If history is any precursor to the future we can expect Trump to do many more things for which we can blame him as well.
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Please name the voting representatives from the District of Columbia that are members of Congress.
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Unfortunately our tone deaf, politically motivated SCOTUS thought otherwise when they decided Citizens United. That quote should go for anyone who is not an actual constituent of the party in question, and then limited to some reasonable amount. I know the reasonable amount currently exists, but it is only for constituents, the PAC's and corporate givers seem to be able to do whatever they want.
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Agreed. But then think of the 'special masters' that will line up to 'take over'. What are the way's they will benefit from the 'restructuring'? I know, good, bad or indifferent someone has to be in charge, and there probably isn't another way to go about it, but (again) there should be some rules about the appointed person(s) (I have some experience in taking over companies in trouble and one cannot do it alone) and their friends and relatives and how they may or may not benefit from insider knowledge.
We haven't solved that problem with our legislative representatives, and only partially with our corporate officers, so how do we solve this one, in advance?
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I wonder if that action is enough to get Trump interested in what is happening in Puerto Rico again? Like hurricane relief for example. I can see where being publicly ignored by a government that is at least quasi under his umbrella would piss him off.
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The intricacies of legalese.
Is it possible that the homeowners lawyer(s) failed to ask the right questions, make the right arguments, or follow some procedure correctly? We have seen appeals courts deny sensible responses because of some of the above in other cases.
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Hey, look over here, this is actually important
The difficulty will be getting the electorate to focus on this issue rather than a certain pandemic that is wandering around. On the good side, folks sequestered at home might have time to deal with it. On the other side, getting their attention might be a problem.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Integrity in Politics, seriously not joking
They would indeed!
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comeuppance coming.
Sorry, I feel no need to apologize for not caring about video game tournaments. If they wanted to be clear the could have called them etournaments rather than esports. As to chess being a sport, I don't think of it as a sport, and for the reason you mentioned.
Don't get me wrong, I play video games. Well some. But I am not vested in them in any big way, and I don't compete, except against myself. So I am not anti video games, nor am I anti video game tournaments. The thing that got me was when people from the professional sports world got into playing the video game versions because they could no longer compete in person due to social distancing, and the thought they could compete against more practiced video gamers, it just felt very wrong.
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Re: Re: Integrity in Politics, seriously not joking
A lottery is not an entirely terrible idea. There would have to be some limits though. Reading comprehension (not that our current lawmakers read the bills they vote on) some math competency (not that our lawmakers comprehend how long it will take to pay off the national debt), and we should probably screen for sociopaths (which would eliminate most CEO's, aspiring CEO's and probably a large portion of the so called 1%).
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RTBF, a country without a past, present, or apparently future
It appears to me that the French News Agencies are trying to exercise their right to be forgotten, but for the entire country, not just themselves. Google's opening line should be 'nice traffic you've got there, wouldn't want anything to happen to that, so what do you have for us?'.
The nuclear option would certainly aid in the forgetting of France, and given the 'mandate' in the order described in the article, it seems like Google's best move (we're moving to Belgium, see ya), as the News Agencies won't back down without the promise of some more money in their pockets.
Then, since it is supposed to be a negotiation, what would be the News Agencies next offer? Given France's history, surrender is a possibility.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Comeuppance coming.
My impression is that esports is the digital replication of regular sports such as basketball, football (both kinds), NASCAR or F1 racing (if those are categorized as sports), baseball, golf, etc., and the skills I think are prevalent in those have to do with thumb/finger/mouse speed and hand eye coordination, but have nothing to do with running, throwing, kicking, catching, bunting, hook shots, or endurance, etc.
Now I am unfamiliar with the games you listed, but they don't sound like sports to me. They may be part of tournaments that show up on esports channels, but since I haven't, don't, and won't look in on those, that mystery shall remain a mystery to me. Maybe the issue is that digital tournaments and esports have become conflated?
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Re: Re: Comeuppance coming.
Well, I have given up on regular sports, especially the professional kind. That has drifted to include college sports as well as olympic sports (I refuse to capitalize that anymore). That attitude grew over time as the games became more and more about money than sport. I worry about the impending encroachment on high school sports.
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It is, but the question is does it need the additional surveillance from the government when there are already systems for this purpose in place? Then there are the questions of additional risk that the new surveillance won't stop when the crisis is over, and the competence of Kushner and his secret task force, what are their real intentions? Why is it secret when the emergency is national and impacts everyone?
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Comeuppance coming.
Not that I would participate in, or watch, or even follow esports of any kind, the fact remains that esports are not sports. Yes there is probably skill involved, it still isn't the same thing as the sport being replicated. So it will be interesting when (not if) some basement dwelling gnome takes on a real sport legend in an esport tournament and cleans their clock. Oh, the horror. All that ego and testosterone going down the drain.
I fully expect the reports to be widespread and hard to miss the headlines, but eager to hear Mr. Geigner's take on the situation when it happens.
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