I must confess I don't know much at all about this subject. Are these sums of money which are just given to these politicians? Are the donations meant to be unconnected to political agenda?
In the UK at least, almost all tracks on Spotify have "buy" links next to them. I've spent about £50 per month for the last 3 months on buying mp3s from Spotify.
I'd imagine they're trying to do this in other territories too...
Transportation = Content
Buggy Whip Manufacturers = Record Labels
New Fast Cars = Digital Files
Everyone wants Transportation(content). Increasingly people want New Fast Cars (digital). If the Buggy Whip makers don't make the New Fast Cars, they're going to suffer. Cool. Nice analogy...
The problem with this is that it doesn't take into account that the Buggy Whip Manufacturers own the transportation. It's not like there's competition from new car manufacturers making different cars. It's like they're cloning the Buggy Whips and selling them with new body kits.
The analogy shows the Buggy Whip Manufacturers need to adapt but it misses out the point that companies selling new cars without their permission are morally wrong, because they aren't theirs to sell.
Anyway, sorry. The accuracy of the analogy isn't the point of the article and I'm probably just being picky here. =]
I see your point but most of the time I prefer to just talk about the subject rather than abstracting it to a fictitious situation (which can often be persuasive one way or the other to fir a point that is being made). I'm not saying that's the case with Mike's article (I don't think it is) - just saying how I feel about analogies. =]
I was thinking the same thing about the buggy whip analogy. It's not that there's a different product on the market that's more popular; people still want the same product, a product the content industries own.
The "externality" point is very interesting though. I hadn't really thought about that before. If I write a book about my favourite music then sell the book, I am profiting from the music, but I'm not harming the makers of the music. Morally fine.
If I write an ad-funded blog post about my favourite music and include links to infringing copies of that music - that seems to me to be morally wrong.
The Google situation is slightly different: if you search for music and only find infringing links, you could compare it to the blog situation above; they are profiting from advertising and linking to illegal copies. At the same time, the content owners can provide legal links and as for the infringing links to be taken down. If only legal links show up when you search Google, you would have to say the service they are providing to the content owners is a valuable one.
I think that if mp3s had a resale value more people would be encouraged to buy them. Buying a CD, listening to it 10 times, then selling it is perfectly acceptable, but not so with mp3s... Our digital collections have no resale value at all.
Grooveshark is an interesting case. I don't think it's quite right to say they function the same as YouTube do. They use the same DMCA safe-harbours to justify the legality of their model, but they also don't take any steps to prevent music owned by companies who don't wish to have their music on the service from being uploaded (or re-uploaded following a take-down request). YouTube use a "ContentID" fingerprinting technology which allows them to ID tracks uploaded which should not be there and they are automatically blocked.
Grooveshark offer payments to those labels who want their catalogs on there but, as a colleague of mine discovered recently, the rates they offer are much worse than Spotify for example, and it's a simple take-it-or-leave-it kind of deal.
In other words, they are offering far below average per-stream rates, and no way to opt-out other than to continually search the site for tracks and send take-down notices.
I'm 100% against censoring the internet but I don't see Grooveshark's current business model as being a particularly good thing for the industry, regardless of its legal status.
"Problem is, the labels will never admit that their own actions resulted in unauthorized file sharing. No way, no how. To them file sharing is only the result of one thing and one thing only: failure to enforce copyright laws to as strict a level as possible."
Sorry Mike, I know I've made this point on here before but it's really not OK to suggest that all record labels are the same based on the actions of 4 of them. It's the same as saying all journalists share the same values and behaviours as News Corp.
Techdirt is one of my favourite blogs and I feel bad that I usually only post when I don't agree with something, but as someone who works in the music industry, this is the one repeated thing that I read on here that winds me up - because I know lots and lots of labels to whom this simply doesn't apply.
Slightly off-topic, but can we come up for a name for the big movie, tv and music companies other than "the entertainment industry"? That term encompasses thousands of decent companies that have no interest at all in this ruling or any kind of net censorship.
One thing that really bothers me though is saying that it's a myth that record labels have the best interests of artists at heart. Shall we also say that journalists are unscrupulous fiends who will hack into phones to get a story?
EMI is not a typical record label. They are one of the 4 majors and the way they do business should not tarnish the thousands of independent labels' business ethics.
Sorry to rant but I read that a lot and it bugs me.
hmm.. i'd guess they're fully aware they can't sue a store whose customer has shared a track. I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't be watermarking to degrade the quality of the file. One of the most important features of a watermark is that it needs to be inaudible (this one was obviously noticed as it's in a piece of subtle music being listened to by an audiophile - most likely on a high-end stereo)
My guess is that they just want to track which channels their files leak from.
I understand the point of watermarking files and I know that some download stores do it. The thing I don't get is why UMG would watermark a file they pass on to a download store.
If UMG later find the track on a torrent, and read the watermark which tells them the file was from passionato, what does that give them? They still don't know who shared it, only via what channel it was shared.
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In the UK at least, almost all tracks on Spotify have "buy" links next to them. I've spent about £50 per month for the last 3 months on buying mp3s from Spotify.
I'd imagine they're trying to do this in other territories too...
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Transportation = Content
Buggy Whip Manufacturers = Record Labels
New Fast Cars = Digital Files
Everyone wants Transportation(content). Increasingly people want New Fast Cars (digital). If the Buggy Whip makers don't make the New Fast Cars, they're going to suffer. Cool. Nice analogy...
The problem with this is that it doesn't take into account that the Buggy Whip Manufacturers own the transportation. It's not like there's competition from new car manufacturers making different cars. It's like they're cloning the Buggy Whips and selling them with new body kits.
The analogy shows the Buggy Whip Manufacturers need to adapt but it misses out the point that companies selling new cars without their permission are morally wrong, because they aren't theirs to sell.
Anyway, sorry. The accuracy of the analogy isn't the point of the article and I'm probably just being picky here. =]
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The "externality" point is very interesting though. I hadn't really thought about that before. If I write a book about my favourite music then sell the book, I am profiting from the music, but I'm not harming the makers of the music. Morally fine.
If I write an ad-funded blog post about my favourite music and include links to infringing copies of that music - that seems to me to be morally wrong.
The Google situation is slightly different: if you search for music and only find infringing links, you could compare it to the blog situation above; they are profiting from advertising and linking to illegal copies. At the same time, the content owners can provide legal links and as for the infringing links to be taken down. If only legal links show up when you search Google, you would have to say the service they are providing to the content owners is a valuable one.
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I wrote some thoughts about this very thing here.
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Grooveshark offer payments to those labels who want their catalogs on there but, as a colleague of mine discovered recently, the rates they offer are much worse than Spotify for example, and it's a simple take-it-or-leave-it kind of deal.
In other words, they are offering far below average per-stream rates, and no way to opt-out other than to continually search the site for tracks and send take-down notices.
I'm 100% against censoring the internet but I don't see Grooveshark's current business model as being a particularly good thing for the industry, regardless of its legal status.
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The label from the quoted blog post, for example, does not appear to be a sublabel of a major, which kind of makes the point. http://www.discogs.com/label/Dynasty+Recordings
How can you assume that the people that run that label won't admit their mistakes and only want stricter levels of copyright enforcement?!
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Can we please fix this...
Sorry Mike, I know I've made this point on here before but it's really not OK to suggest that all record labels are the same based on the actions of 4 of them. It's the same as saying all journalists share the same values and behaviours as News Corp.
Techdirt is one of my favourite blogs and I feel bad that I usually only post when I don't agree with something, but as someone who works in the music industry, this is the one repeated thing that I read on here that winds me up - because I know lots and lots of labels to whom this simply doesn't apply.
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Slightly off-topic, but can we come up for a name for the big movie, tv and music companies other than "the entertainment industry"? That term encompasses thousands of decent companies that have no interest at all in this ruling or any kind of net censorship.
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Nice article. Very interesting. But...
EMI is not a typical record label. They are one of the 4 majors and the way they do business should not tarnish the thousands of independent labels' business ethics.
Sorry to rant but I read that a lot and it bugs me.
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I work in digital music - but I'm doing my best to stay positive in these crazy times =]
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My guess is that they just want to track which channels their files leak from.
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This is confusing...
If UMG later find the track on a torrent, and read the watermark which tells them the file was from passionato, what does that give them? They still don't know who shared it, only via what channel it was shared.
Very odd.
ps. lol @ your analogy =]
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Re: All analogies stink, especially when sheer fiction.
"Let me illustrate by way of an analogy of a made-up situation where the bad guys in my story hold an oppressive monopoly on drinking water."
ffs
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