...including protecting the right of spammers to speak, and the right of them to force you to read it...
You're arguing against things I never said: I never said they had a right to force you to read what they wrote. I just said they have a right to say what they want to say. You are free to read it or not.
The point is: it should be your decision if you want to read it or not, not a publisher deciding what you can or can't read.
...why shouldn't Twitter have the Right to proudly display on it's home page, "The Home of Socialism - is you don't like it, go try Gab" if they want?
It would be honest of them if they did, but they don't. They pretend they are open to everyone and a neutral platform, but they aren't. They're a biased publisher who is deciding what (and who) gets published and what (or who) doesn't.
I haven't won the lottery. (Yet.) But any day now I'm guaranteed to win the jackpot! Can't you see it?!?!?!?! It's gonna happen!!!!!!!
Your hyperbolic scaremongering is the same as Alex Jones' 'FEMA camps' ridiculousness. Congratulations! You've earned the same dismissive mockery and derision typically reserved for buffoons like Jones.
Yes, Trump is such a brutal, fascist dictator that you now have to worry about being snatched in the dead of night at any moment and whisked away to the firing squad in the town square for your insolence.
Oh, wait, no you don't. The fiction you've built up in your mind is false.
Why is it so fucking hard for you to show us a concrete example of one of the two groups you have linked to posting things on Facebook that is against their ToS and is promoting or engaging in violence.
Where in the following statement does it say the promotion of violence has to be posted to Facebook?
"We've always banned individuals or organizations that promote or engage in violence and hate, regardless of ideology. The process for evaluating potential violators is extensive and it is what led us to our decision to remove these accounts today."
Now why don't you show me a Facebook post that shows that they are "... individuals or organizations that promote or engage in violence..." that are from the specific groups that you pointed to earlier??
I linked to Portland Antifa, who are in the video explicitly saying they use violence as a means to an end.
Just last week I was told that YouTube can host or not host whatever it does or does not want to, and I had to just shut up and take it. Complaining was forbidden! If I didn't like it, I could take the half a trillion dollars I have lying around and go build my own video hosting platform.
Now there's a whole article on Techdirt bemoaning the fact that YouTube is doing what so many last week said they have every right to do.
My restaurant was open to the public, and I also had the right to kick somebody out, permanently even, (only ever had to once in 15 years.) Why can't Twitter do the same thing, even though we are both "open to the public"
Your restaurant analogy is fundamentally flawed: Unless the patrons of your restaurant have a 'block' button or an 'unfriend' button to silence the other patrons, it is not the same.
When Twitter, et al., decide to silence their users, they are effectively silencing them for all of their users, whether those users want that person silenced or not. That's why the post office doesn't block people from sending mail to someone else unless it contains illegal material. If you don't like the speech you receive in the mail, you throw it away. If you don't like the speech you receive through Facebook or Twitter, you block the person and go on with your life. But the point is, it's you deciding what you want to hear, not Twitter or Facebook.
First Amendment jurisprudence says you can choose whether you associate with specific people/forms of speech. For what reason would you ever give up that right voluntarily, much less force everyone else to give up that right by force of law?
Why would you force a bakery or florist or photographer to associate with someone they don't like? You can't have it both ways. If those businesses must associate with those they dislike, why not Twitter, et al.? Maybe a little consistency in your application of logic?
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Is that why progressives call Trump, Drumpf?
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What is an 'acceotabce'?
Does it have something to do with 'covfefe'?
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Because I don't sit at my computer all day refreshing the page so I can respond in a time frame that satisfies you.
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You're arguing against things I never said: I never said they had a right to force you to read what they wrote. I just said they have a right to say what they want to say. You are free to read it or not.
The point is: it should be your decision if you want to read it or not, not a publisher deciding what you can or can't read.
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It would be honest of them if they did, but they don't. They pretend they are open to everyone and a neutral platform, but they aren't. They're a biased publisher who is deciding what (and who) gets published and what (or who) doesn't.
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That should read:
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Now we just need to ban
If we could now ban Stingrays and the TSA, we'd be closer to normalcy in this country.
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They're not death camps. That's just stupid.
You and Stephen T. Stone seem to be roaming these comment sections tag-teaming to spread false information.
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I haven't won the lottery. (Yet.) But any day now I'm guaranteed to win the jackpot! Can't you see it?!?!?!?! It's gonna happen!!!!!!!
Your hyperbolic scaremongering is the same as Alex Jones' 'FEMA camps' ridiculousness. Congratulations! You've earned the same dismissive mockery and derision typically reserved for buffoons like Jones.
And how is it dehumanizing to uphold the law?
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What do you think they'll do when Trump is out of office and they don't have their boogeyman anymore?
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Yes, Trump is such a brutal, fascist dictator that you now have to worry about being snatched in the dead of night at any moment and whisked away to the firing squad in the town square for your insolence.
Oh, wait, no you don't. The fiction you've built up in your mind is false.
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Where in the following statement does it say the promotion of violence has to be posted to Facebook?
"We've always banned individuals or organizations that promote or engage in violence and hate, regardless of ideology. The process for evaluating potential violators is extensive and it is what led us to our decision to remove these accounts today."
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I linked to Portland Antifa, who are in the video explicitly saying they use violence as a means to an end.
https://youtu.be/kUu46J_OHQ4?t=86
By any means necessary includes violence and murder.
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Are you serious?
"We've always banned individuals or organizations that promote or engage in violence..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUu46J_OHQ4
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That's laughable
"We've always banned individuals or organizations that promote or engage in violence and hate, regardless of ideology."
Like Antifa:
https://www.facebook.com/Los-Angeles-Antifa-698064250400658/
https://www.facebook.com/groups /PortlandAntifa/
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Wait a second...
Just last week I was told that YouTube can host or not host whatever it does or does not want to, and I had to just shut up and take it. Complaining was forbidden! If I didn't like it, I could take the half a trillion dollars I have lying around and go build my own video hosting platform.
Now there's a whole article on Techdirt bemoaning the fact that YouTube is doing what so many last week said they have every right to do.
So which is it?
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Your restaurant analogy is fundamentally flawed: Unless the patrons of your restaurant have a 'block' button or an 'unfriend' button to silence the other patrons, it is not the same.
When Twitter, et al., decide to silence their users, they are effectively silencing them for all of their users, whether those users want that person silenced or not. That's why the post office doesn't block people from sending mail to someone else unless it contains illegal material. If you don't like the speech you receive in the mail, you throw it away. If you don't like the speech you receive through Facebook or Twitter, you block the person and go on with your life. But the point is, it's you deciding what you want to hear, not Twitter or Facebook.
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Shady is as shady does.
Ban all companies from owning more than 1 station anywhere.
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Just putting this out there
and not advocating breaking any laws...:
https://epubor.com/
https://www.elcomsoft.com/
(DRM removal for books)
https://www.redfox.bz/en/anydvdhd.html
https://handbrake.fr/
(DRM removal for DVDs and Bluray discs and conversion to other formats)
https://www.mediahuman.com/?mh_product=youtubetomp3&mh_version=3.9.9.16&mh_source=a pp-home
(Save MP3s from YouTube)
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Why would you force a bakery or florist or photographer to associate with someone they don't like? You can't have it both ways. If those businesses must associate with those they dislike, why not Twitter, et al.? Maybe a little consistency in your application of logic?
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