Hollywood, and all of the big old time gatekeepers of entertainment are gradually becoming irrelevant. Whether they like it or not people are more and more turning to the content online by independent producers. For example my two favorite programs are on Jupiter Broadcasting and they are my favorite because the similar shows broadcast by satellite slant the entire programs to favor many big parters and advertisers. While there still seems to be a little of that with the small online network, there clearly is much less and everything in the programs come across as more genuine.
Re: BFD- the creator haters hire demonstrators too
"Just look at those very generous donations from Big Search to the EFF and Wikipedia. A few weeks later, both were demonstrating against SOPA. What a coincidence."
Bob, The very implication that the EFF would need to be paid in order to be audibly against SOPA makes it obvious to me that you have never visited the EFF website and are completely unfamiliar with Richard Stallman of the EFF, his writings, speeches, work, and personal policies. The only thing donating money to the EFF would have changed is how much they could spend on fighting SOPA. Their beliefs were their own long before and definitely not purchased.
Stallman is more passionate about freedoms, even to the point he won't use a cell phone that has proprietary technology in it.
"Perhaps it makes those who obey the law and pay for content feel like they're not being chumps for playing by the rules."
Perhaps until we start getting hit with the tax increases to subsidize the enforcement. After that are we going to feel like chumps or be pissed and start voting the politicians on the take out of office and demand criminal investigations.
"Where do you want to meet so we can go over all of each others facts? I've got tons of them along with verifiable data to back each and every one of them up. Just pick a place and time. I'll even pay your travel expenses. If you're across the pond, I'll come visit you since I'm going to be in Europe this summer anyways. :)"
I'm not sure whom you are addressing, why not just post the facts and data on the Internet and share with everyone here? Techdirt forum users seem very adept at getting to the truth through debate. The numbers for facts and data are pointless without a good, well thought out and intellectually honest methodology in both obtaining and analyzing. The previous sentence describes the problem with MPAA, RIAA and BSA provided information; the results from their reports are usually contrived rather than derived. A look at the methodology (when available) exposes that.
* Name calling.
* You can't understand because your not me.
* If it was lobbied and made legal then it must be right.
* No measures are too extreme to combat piracy.
* Tech Dirt sucks.
* Mike sucks
In all of that there is nothing to substantiate any claims or position, no real data or information, nothing to persuade a change of view. Just name calling, thinking errors and rhetoric.
The Internet is just a communication tool. It is individual people not the inanimate Internet that should be of concern. You may as well have said: "there is no reason a fair and ethical telephone network can not exist for all stake holders and citizens."
"But you also all keep avoiding my question. How about paying me once?"
How do you know I haven't? Sidenote: You and I never had any per-creation agreement on my purchasing your product.
* Produce a product people want.
* Market it well enough that the potential customers are aware of it's existence.
* Price it carefully and correctly.
If you have done all of these things you will be successful.
If you ask a successful business manager such as one for your local grocery store you will find they also feel there is a significant number of people taking the products they sell without paying for them. There is an additional difference and that is that your grocery store paid the entire cost for each unit. The really big difference I notice is they understand that those sorts of losses come with the territory and as long as the initial criteria at the top of this reply are true then they are turning a profit because the majority of people *want* to feel good and honest and will do so. However the entertainment industry is so heavily concentrating on that percentage they don't get paid for they are doing the equivalent of your grocery store demanding the government send the TSA with the nude scanners, patdown people and strip searches to target shoplifting. That is why alot and I do mean alot of customers who never pirate and wouldn't think of shoplifting either such as myself are very angry and the Entertainment Industry, Lobby and some Congress Members. Because of the attempt to violate my rights I am an millimeter away from changing my personal policies and pirating my media. You see extreme overreaction actually causes increases in piracy or theft by removing the respect of the *paying customer* for a business or industry.
So making sure you realize I addressed your issue, If I have any song or album from you I paid you for it. If you are not selling enough products to people like me then you are failing in one of the areas listed at the top. Attempts to take away my civil liberties because someone else copied your stuff will cause a backlash from people like me, your potential paying customer.
Better boulder pusher as to artist analogy, Some one who has a talent to move boulders by having the gift of strength pushes a boulder to a park at the top of the hill and then demands a toll to all those who would make use of the boulder by resting there. Gets mayor to give them exclusive rights for granting permission to sit on said boulder for a year. Before the year is up demands the government extend exclusive use time, and beef up police enforcement for the boulder. Take the last part and rinse and repeat multiple times. Eventually still feeling entitled, bitter and upset because sometimes people may be sit on the boulder without paying, boulder pusher demands limits to everybody's liberties in the form of drastic SOPA style legislation. Side note: non-artists are boulder pushers who just get paid for hours spent pushing boulders with no entitlement after the original payment is made for their services rendered.
"Sure, but if you help me by doing it, and you also tell me in advance your hourly rate for boulder pushing, it would be wrong of me to not pay you when you've done the work."
So, this being an analogy for recordings of your music, exactly who promised you payment and then didn't follow through? Anyone? Ever?
"if I put my song on the web with a $1.99 charge, piracy 'harms' me if everyone pirates it and I don't get a single payment of $1.99."
If I put a program I wrote on the web with a $10,000 charge and people pirate it and I don't sell a single unit then perhaps I have either not reached my market, priced myself too high or have created something no one needs or wants.
You know what has solved more music piracy and generated more revenue, the iTunes store. A simple strategy to make songs easy to access, and so cheap that people will buy it just to see if they like it. If they do it is quick, cheap and easy to buy all of the other songs by the same artist.
The first hurdle is getting your product known. The second is making it easily available. The third is finding the sweet spot where its not overpriced or underpriced and you get the maximum amount of revenue through sales quantity. The fourth accept that some people for a variety of reasons steal physical products or infringe on copyrights. The serenity prayer can be useful: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference."
"If you also went the extra mile, to meet us in the middle, you would also have your articles screened and approved by the RIAA or MPAA or not publish"
Seriously, you want TechDirt articles censored? Bwaaahaaaahaaa! LOL.
"There is just no way for musicians to make money while piracy exists and that explains why there are no musicians anymore"
Since there are no musicians anymore, there is no longer any need to discuss where musician's rights end and the publics begin. No go away you bother me.
"Can album funding be crowdsourced? NO"
Uh, actually I have one right here that I helped to crowdsource through Kickstarter. But hey maybe your the authority on all things.
he used the word "created" instead. Seriously, find the actual audio clip and listen.
When he claimed he "created the Internet" he was referring to his legislation to increase the backbone infrastructure.
I guess it doesn't sound as good though to say "I helped pass legislation that made the Internet faster" as it does to simply say "I created the Internet".
The strength in the opposition to these extreme proposed laws isn't as much in the delivery system as it is in the content. The content that is nothing more than simply exposing the content of the proposed legislation especially the most major flaws.
You have to wonder about people who represent content interests that can't see this.
Let me tell you why your statement "Because you don't need to learn C and machine language to watch a video like Linux." makes me laugh out loud. I was dual-booting and switching back and forth between Windows and Linux. I always ended up falling back to Windows since I have used and supported it since Windows 3. It was my comfort zone. I did some Windows updates and Firefox broke. The culprit a Microsoft plugin. The disable and uninstall were greyed-out. Yes the update was effectively Windows malware. I found the solution for fixing it on Mirosoft's Tech Net.
Delete hidden files within hidden folders,
Edit Windows Registry keys, and
Run commands on the command line.
I fixed it and then made the same stupid mistake of applying the same update to another machine.
I need to thank the authors of the update for without their egging me over I would still be using the more problematic operating system of yesteryear. Now I run Linux with fewer issues than Windows and as a bonus I won't have to play catch-up later when Linux is the prevalent OS.
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Gradually Becoming Irrelevant
On the post: Copyright Lobby Tries To 'Hire' Demonstrators, Since The Public Refuses To Rally In Support Of ACTA
Re: BFD- the creator haters hire demonstrators too
Bob, The very implication that the EFF would need to be paid in order to be audibly against SOPA makes it obvious to me that you have never visited the EFF website and are completely unfamiliar with Richard Stallman of the EFF, his writings, speeches, work, and personal policies. The only thing donating money to the EFF would have changed is how much they could spend on fighting SOPA. Their beliefs were their own long before and definitely not purchased.
Stallman is more passionate about freedoms, even to the point he won't use a cell phone that has proprietary technology in it.
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Oh, wait change was the promise he kept: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hope-and-change-gas-prices-have-gone-67-percent-obama-became-pre sident_553930.html
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Re: Re: Re:
Perhaps until we start getting hit with the tax increases to subsidize the enforcement. After that are we going to feel like chumps or be pissed and start voting the politicians on the take out of office and demand criminal investigations.
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re:
I'm sure that all of your posts are screened and approved by someone on the payroll of RIAA and/or MPAA...
...by default.
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re: Re: Re:
I'm not sure whom you are addressing, why not just post the facts and data on the Internet and share with everyone here? Techdirt forum users seem very adept at getting to the truth through debate. The numbers for facts and data are pointless without a good, well thought out and intellectually honest methodology in both obtaining and analyzing. The previous sentence describes the problem with MPAA, RIAA and BSA provided information; the results from their reports are usually contrived rather than derived. A look at the methodology (when available) exposes that.
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
* Name calling.
* You can't understand because your not me.
* If it was lobbied and made legal then it must be right.
* No measures are too extreme to combat piracy.
* Tech Dirt sucks.
* Mike sucks
In all of that there is nothing to substantiate any claims or position, no real data or information, nothing to persuade a change of view. Just name calling, thinking errors and rhetoric.
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re: Re:
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
How do you know I haven't? Sidenote: You and I never had any per-creation agreement on my purchasing your product.
* Produce a product people want.
* Market it well enough that the potential customers are aware of it's existence.
* Price it carefully and correctly.
If you have done all of these things you will be successful.
If you ask a successful business manager such as one for your local grocery store you will find they also feel there is a significant number of people taking the products they sell without paying for them. There is an additional difference and that is that your grocery store paid the entire cost for each unit. The really big difference I notice is they understand that those sorts of losses come with the territory and as long as the initial criteria at the top of this reply are true then they are turning a profit because the majority of people *want* to feel good and honest and will do so. However the entertainment industry is so heavily concentrating on that percentage they don't get paid for they are doing the equivalent of your grocery store demanding the government send the TSA with the nude scanners, patdown people and strip searches to target shoplifting. That is why alot and I do mean alot of customers who never pirate and wouldn't think of shoplifting either such as myself are very angry and the Entertainment Industry, Lobby and some Congress Members. Because of the attempt to violate my rights I am an millimeter away from changing my personal policies and pirating my media. You see extreme overreaction actually causes increases in piracy or theft by removing the respect of the *paying customer* for a business or industry.
So making sure you realize I addressed your issue, If I have any song or album from you I paid you for it. If you are not selling enough products to people like me then you are failing in one of the areas listed at the top. Attempts to take away my civil liberties because someone else copied your stuff will cause a backlash from people like me, your potential paying customer.
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
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On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re: Re:
So some artists feel ripped off, but that doesn't make it ok to destroy the Internet for society does it?
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re: Re: Re:
So, this being an analogy for recordings of your music, exactly who promised you payment and then didn't follow through? Anyone? Ever?
"if I put my song on the web with a $1.99 charge, piracy 'harms' me if everyone pirates it and I don't get a single payment of $1.99."
If I put a program I wrote on the web with a $10,000 charge and people pirate it and I don't sell a single unit then perhaps I have either not reached my market, priced myself too high or have created something no one needs or wants.
You know what has solved more music piracy and generated more revenue, the iTunes store. A simple strategy to make songs easy to access, and so cheap that people will buy it just to see if they like it. If they do it is quick, cheap and easy to buy all of the other songs by the same artist.
The first hurdle is getting your product known. The second is making it easily available. The third is finding the sweet spot where its not overpriced or underpriced and you get the maximum amount of revenue through sales quantity. The fourth accept that some people for a variety of reasons steal physical products or infringe on copyrights. The serenity prayer can be useful: "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference."
On the post: The Difference Between Nuanced Discussion And The Evil Underbelly Of The Internet Is Apparently A Fine Line Indeed
Re:
"If you also went the extra mile, to meet us in the middle, you would also have your articles screened and approved by the RIAA or MPAA or not publish"
Seriously, you want TechDirt articles censored? Bwaaahaaaahaaa! LOL.
"There is just no way for musicians to make money while piracy exists and that explains why there are no musicians anymore"
Since there are no musicians anymore, there is no longer any need to discuss where musician's rights end and the publics begin. No go away you bother me.
"Can album funding be crowdsourced? NO"
Uh, actually I have one right here that I helped to crowdsource through Kickstarter. But hey maybe your the authority on all things.
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Re:
I thought not thats why you are the A. Coward.
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YAXFB
From the comments here it kind of looks like its trending the way of Myspace.
On the post: The First Analysis Of The Web: Vague, But Exciting
Al Gore is always misquoted about the Internet
he used the word "created" instead. Seriously, find the actual audio clip and listen.
When he claimed he "created the Internet" he was referring to his legislation to increase the backbone infrastructure.
I guess it doesn't sound as good though to say "I helped pass legislation that made the Internet faster" as it does to simply say "I created the Internet".
Maybe Al Gore invented pants though.
On the post: Cargo Cult Reverse Activism: Maximalists Think That If They Use Social Media They Can Counteract Public Concerns
You have to wonder about people who represent content interests that can't see this.
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Microsoft is dying a slow painful death
On the post: Did The Publisher's Own Insistence On DRM Inevitably Lead To The Antitrust Lawsuit Against Them?
Re: Re: Humans!
Delete hidden files within hidden folders,
Edit Windows Registry keys, and
Run commands on the command line.
I fixed it and then made the same stupid mistake of applying the same update to another machine.
I need to thank the authors of the update for without their egging me over I would still be using the more problematic operating system of yesteryear. Now I run Linux with fewer issues than Windows and as a bonus I won't have to play catch-up later when Linux is the prevalent OS.
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I wonder if Marie Antoinette ever said anything similar. Anyway I hope things turn out better for Representative Rogers than they did for her.
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