It’s a difficult situation. When it comes to a sexual assault claim, often it is a he said/she said situation. If they are examining the accused’s phone, then they probably should be examining the complainants too. I’m not sure how someone can have a fair trial if the police only look for evidence that is helpful for the complainants account, and do not even look at the complainants phone. The Liam Allan case is one such case where the complainants phone was examined, but the evidence was withheld from the defence. There were messages on that phone which proved that the complainants account was false. He would likely have served a lengthy prison sentence if this evidence never came to light. Disclosure is a very real problem in British justice, it’s the prosecution who decide what to disclose and when. But if they don’t thoroughly investigate by respecting the complainants privacy but violating the defendants privacy – I’m not sure how safe any conviction can really be in such circumstances.
I get a bit tetchy when I hear the word “victim” used when it’s case when there are two different accounts, and the case has not been proven. If one person says they were sexually assaulted and another says it didn’t happen – both parties need to be treated equally and look at the evidence with an open mind. By using the word “victim” instead of complainant, it introduces bias – and implies that the sexual assault did take place. Which likely affects what evidence is sought. Of course if someone is falsely accused the defendant will be the actual victim. That’s why it is safer to keep with the word “complainant” in these types of cases, unless the case has been proven.
Basically I don’t think they should really be differentiating between complainant and defendant. Maybe there needs to be some sort of immunity of prosecution for both the complainant and the defendant for unrelated matters, and agree there should be limits on what the police can search for and retain on the phones.
Twitter or some other body could fund action in cooperation of the "injured party". Just a few test cases would be enough to put an end to the issue (if it really exists). An invalid takedown request is perjury - and as such anyone making a false takedown requests can be pursued through the courts.
The DMCA also fails to provide any accommodation for licensed music. So when an user has permission, as this one did, it does not matter; there is simply no way to register that license and ward off further takedowns
DMCA takedowns can only be initiated by the copyright holder or someone representing his wishes. It's a given that most copyright holders would be aware of who they had licensed content to. I'm sure Twitter has the resources to sue anyone who are making wrongful takedowns requests. So yes there are legal avenues. Although I'm not convinced it really is a significant issue, but if it was a few targetted lawsuits would make certain people do some checks first.
Indeed wouldn't you just go to the copyright holder who you licenced the material to and say "hey you did a takedown request - but you shouldn't - I've got permission." who then should cancel the takedown.
I don’t see this as a copyright issue. Only the copyright holder or someone authorised to act for him can make such requests.
If the person didn’t have any right to make the DMCA request, then Twitter should take some action against the person who made the takedown request. It sounds like that is not the issue here though.
It seems that the artist wanted DMCA takedown requests but forgot he had already given permission (or not told the person acting for him) – well that is an issue with the artists actions. An artist doesn’t have to do takedown requests – this artist obviously wants control of how his work is used, otherwise why do any takedown requests?
I get how passionate you are against copyright. But there are limits to how much you can blame copyright for everything. Twitter had to take a copyright holders claim that a person doesn’t have rights to post content at face value. Maybe there does need to be a penalty for those who make inaccurate requests, or those like this artist who says he did give permission, but wasted everyones time by doing a DMCA request anyway.
Interesting discussion, particularly like the points about the cost and who is paying for it for those who are having to isolate and the economics for the individual. But also the society wide issue of having people who perhaps should be isolating and are not isolating because they are concerned about feeding their children. It just makes me think more seriously about a major change in how we do things, and perhaps Universal Basic Income in some form could be the answer.
So who protects the individual, say who has inaccurate information about them posted on a platform, and I am talking more about a member of the public who is unfairly identified and defamed as opposed to someone who has a public role. I get and support the reasons generally for not going after platforms for the content. As you note they can’t moderate all content – but there will be circumstances when perhaps they should moderate, or at least consider it and give a reason for their stance. The concentration on the right of free speech is good, but there needs to be some thought about the rights of privacy, and some responsibility for platforms who do not intervene in certain circumstances. Some sort of balance. Most private individuals are unlikely to have the funds to fight defamation, and although that’s great for platforms and those who abuse them – it’s not great for the little guy who may not be able to find a job because someone posted something inaccurate or misleading on a platform.
Looks like they've removed the press release: https://harrisburgu.edu/hu-facial-recognition-software-identifies-potential-criminals/
From experience, people who write press releases sometimes exaggerate to make the story more interesting, and they don't always wait to get the researchers approval before publicising. It's terrifying how much Comms departments and journalists will stretch the facts. I've had my work inaccurately described in the past. The issue could be more about bad journalism than bad research. But I'm speculating, based on the removal of the press release, and on the outlandish claims. It will be interesting to see the research once published.
Outside of the USA, the default is that the loser pays the other sides legal fees. This means that vexatious cases are unlikely. Quite frankly this guy would be broke in no time at all if he tried this in most western countries
Of course the term "property" was meant to signify something that is owned as opposed to specifically a dwelling. Like a painting, a book etc. A piece of "property" that is well like a typical copyrighted work. Of course, if you want to use the term Landlord, then what do you refer to the person who is not paying rent, and is there illegally - a squatter?
"unless there is big money it is always a case of somone just removing the content if the copyright owner objects."
That just isn't true. As Prenda and assorted other shady outfits have demonstrated.
Your entire argument reads as frantically trying to pick out the few possible advantages from an otherwise unacceptable situation
I prefer to think of it is as injecting a bit of objectivity/reality to the discussion.
Prenda is a particularly bad example. One of them get 14 years for his actions. So I would be surprised if these actions were repeated by others. It's like saying murder should be lawful, just because someone was framed or encouraged another to do the deed. You can still think murder is wrong.
"They're only locked if you the creator wants them locked up"
This is false, and ridiculous. Because for most people they won't know what kind of mindfield they're entering into, the images are as good as locked up.
Not ridiculous at all. It’s up to the copyright holder if they want to have their images “locked up”. They can make them copyright free, put them under creative commons or something similar, or simply ignore any copyright infringement they discover. The default is that they can be protected under copyright, but the copyright holder does not have to assert that right. Many people don’t assert that right, or make it clear that their works are copyright free. Or often just want to have control of where the work can be used and the circumstances. Indeed, to strengthen protection – copyright holders can register their work.
"I guess I would ask who the hell expects a picture of their cat to be used by anyone for any reason"
That's got literally fuck all to do with the purpose of copyright. If you want to stop people's creativity, that's on you
It’s exactly what copyright is for, allowing the copyright holder to decide who uses his work, and if he wants to stipulate restrictions. Saying “fuck all” every now and then, doesn’t strengthen your argument. Stopping creativity? Well, it depends. If it means a website or book pays a photographer for their work, then that means people can make a living in that industry. If there was no copyright restrictions, why would any publisher bother paying for content?
"Personally l like the fact that if somone puts my white cat Fluffy as the main image on a White Power site, I can assert my right to ask them to stop using it using my rights under copyright."
You're making a moral rights claim. That's actually outside of what US copyright is designed for (it is allowed in the EU).
Copyright is designed to give control to the copyright holder. The copyright holder needs to prove an infringement, the reason for them asserting their right isn’t at all relevant. So yes, even in the US it is highly likely that someone will assert their copyright for certain sites that they disapprove of, and not bother about other sites. You take away copyright, then you take away that control. Unless you put something else in its place, but then things become even more confusing and controversial. Of course we can make our work copyright free too, or licence it with certain conditions like in Creative Commons licence, or individually respond to requests.
If what you say is true and the USA doesn’t have moral rights claims in addition to copyright, then that just strengthens the need for copyright.
Although this case springs to mind: https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2010/09/28/the-lara-jade-cotontvx-case-the-full-story/
" Why should a publisher be using a photo of Fluffy and making profit in his cat book, instead of just taking his own photos or paying to use the photo."
You again choose a very specific scenario -- one that is rare and unlikely to happen, ignoring how much other creativity is stifled under this system.
Not rare at all, actually a fairly typical example of cases that actually make it to court. Often it’s only worth suing those who can be shown to have made a profit from the infringement, and are likely to have the funds to pay. Saying that, publishers will almost always make sure they have the copyright permission. And why is that? It is because they don’t want to be sued for copyright infringement. If it’s perfectly legal to use any content without permission, then many publishers will not pay for content, and it will likely to become a common occurrence. The incentive to gain permission is gone, as it is not needed. It’s always good to look at the likely consequences of changes.
"If you own the copyright and don't care, then you don't have to do anything about it."
This is wrong. As others have pointed out to you, estates can get in the way, or simply people won't be willing to make use of your works because of a fear of getting sued. "You" have nothing to worry about... except for the fact that it will scare people off. How selfish are you anyway?
You criticised my other point (rather unfairly in my view) of being “one that is rare and unlikely to happen”. But then suggest this, which lets face it, probably has never happened. I struggle to take seriously that anyone would think that the inheritor would even be aware, recognise, or pursue a copyright infringement claim of some pet photos. Even I’ve gone through old photos, and have no memory of taking them, or struggle to recognise my cat from 20 years ago – so a relative is unlikely to even know some years, decades later. Indeed, they would have to prove that they owned the copyright in order to sue, and unless it is listed in the will, or a copyright notice has been filed – then that isn’t going to happen. The problem, takes care if itself.
Yes, your second point has some weight- it should put people off using material which isn’t copyright free, or where it is against whatever licence exists, or where the person hasn’t asked the copyright holder. But that is what copyright is designed for. Is that selfish, or is it selfish to use others work without permission (outside of fair use)?
"So what? WHY DO THE PHOTOS NEED COPYRIGHT? We lock up ALL CREATIVITY for around 100 years, despite no economic value in doing so. That's truly messed up. It's messed up for culture. It's messed up for society. You seem to think only in specific commercial terms, and that's not how this works.."
It’s not locking up “all creativity”. Again, it’s up the copyright holder if they want to make it copyright free, or allow others to use in certain circumstances.
If I see a cute cat photo that someone took online, and I want to share it with my friend who likes cats -- why should I have to get permission or pay a license fee? That's insane
It depends how. Again, if it is copyright free, or within the terms of the licence, you can – no problem with that. If you retweet, then that is absolutely fine. The person who uploaded should be sure that he has the right to do so though. If you just email, or share through facebook that’s locked down- is anyone ever going to know? Or maybe you just send a link to the actual image you saw online?
"Even if the work wasn't created for economic purposes, it doesn't mean others won't use it for economic purposes."
So what? If someone uses a work you didn't create for economic purposes, why should you care? You weren't going to use it for economic purposes in the first place, so why does it matter?
The point was that sometimes we decide later to try and profit from our own work, or again it may be an organisation that we disapprove of. Or perhaps we think the commercial sector should be paying for the work they use to increase creativity, meaning that artists can make a living and produce more work. Why can’t they just use work they have permission to use, be it copyright free, or licence an artist?
To grift off someone who decided to try to make money where you explicitly chose not to?
You're very very confused.
“Explicitly choosing not to”, would be if you offered your work as copyright free, made your wishes known through Creative Commons, or gave permission in some other way etc. Which is the opposite of what you have been saying. Not confused at all – just trying to inject a bit of reality into the topic.
Sure, I felt I covered this in my above comment. It's the difference between "need to" and "want to". They don't have to do anything, but if they want to encourage and get their worked used widely, then it would be sensible put in CC or something similar. There is not an obligation to do this. Some in the thread wrongly felt that an outside party could sue, when it can only be the copyright holder.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Copyright lawsuits against the wish of authors
Yes authors have to sign a form to transfer the rights. Even the link you have states that they Elsevier own the copyright.
"The Dutch publishing giant holds the copyrights for the largest share of the roughly 28 million papers downloaded from Sci-Hub over 6 months in 2016".
Only a sample of 100 was used, and it is legally impossible to sue for copyright infringement if you are not the copyright holder. As for authors complaining, well that's fine - but if they have transferred the copyright to Elsevier than that is their fault. I would always encourage authors to make their research open access, or at least have an embargo
Wrong. Copyright is automatic. Moral rights in several countries cannot be waived.
Yes copyright is automatic, that wasn't the point,or particularly relevant. The context is talking about someones pet photos, they don't have to assert their copyright rights, they can do nothing, nada, zilch if someone uses their photos. So it is NOT locked, unless they want to take action.
Wrong. You need to release them under CC-0, otherwise they'll have a debt of 150,000 dollars hanging on their head for every single use.
I was talking from the point of view of copyright holder. Which is what this piece was all about. The copyright holder doesn't have to release under CC, it might be better if they did if they want to encourage others to use. But they do not have to. Yes someone risks action if they do not have permission if they use a piece of work protected by copyright, BUT only if the copyright holder take action (lets face it it will be a takedown request and not even a fine 99% of the time). But again, that's the responsibility of the person not getting permission or seeking copyright free material. It is only the copyright holder who can take action. So if they don't care - they wont take action.
Re: Re: Copyright lawsuits against the wish of authors
Nope, when authors submitted their articles they agreed to transfer the copyright. So Elsevier owned the copyright. Obviously there were so many articles that they couldn't assess all of them, they used a representative sample of 100 infringed works. Btw, I'm totally in favour of going down the open access route, or at least having an embargo to allow free access at a later date.
Re: Re: Re: Can I put all my photos of my cat in creative common
Sure, after death - the copyright still exists, and the creator is dead - so obviously can't stop who ever has inheritited the pet photos taking action they might not have approved of! So yes you are correct. In that instance, you can't do anything about it (being dead obviously). The question was regarding personal pet photos though, so it is probably very rare that someone who inherits will explicitly even know about such photos, never mind discover that someone didn't seek permission to use such photos.
Bad advice? I think that's taking things a bit too far in the context of the actual question regarding personal pet photos. But yes if you are talking about something you want to ensure is in the public domain after you have died then do use creative commons or something similar. Which I basically said. And I covered the other point, it's a given if you give or sell the copyright others can take action. But that is up to the creator.
Re: Can I put all my photos of my cat in creative commons?
Do I have to do something to put them in creative commons or copyleft? Why is copyright opt-out?
You don't have to. Good news is only the copyright owner can take action against any misuse. So if you don't care about anyone using your cat image, then you don't need to do a thing. No-one can take action without your permission. Creative commons is something you can use if you want to make it clear to others under what if any circumstances the image can be used. It could be a requirement to be accredited, or fine for all use except non-commercial use. Or make it completely copyright free.
Why Is The Copyright Office Celebrating That All Our Cute Pet Photos Are Locked Up Under Copyright?
They're only locked if you the creator wants them locked up. If you're happy for someone to use your picture of fluffy for absolutely anything, then you need to absolutely nothing, nada, zilch. So only locked up if you want it to be locked up. Personally l like the fact that if somone puts my white cat Fluffy as the main image on a White Power site, I can assert my right to ask them to stop using it using my rights under copyright. Sounds good to me! But if I don't care I do not have to assert that right.
Now, who the hell takes 10,000 photos of their pet because of the copyright granted on those pictures?
I think that's the wrong question. I guess I would ask who the hell expects a picture of their cat to be used by anyone for any reason. Why should a publisher be using a photo of Fluffy and making profit in his cat book, instead of just taking his own photos or paying to use the photo. If you own the copyright and don't care, then you don't have to do anything about it. But maybe you dislike this particular paper or website. Maybe you think they earn enough profit, and they should be paying photographers for the content they use.
Most of us don't need the 10k photos of our pets locked up under copyright for the rest of our lives, plus an additional 70 years.
Most of us don't need to use other people's pet photos either. There are plenty of sites with copyright free Images, and there are plenty of pets and cameras, meaning we can create our own content. Again, we don't need to assert our copyright rights, it's just their if we want to. It's there if we decide there is a "need". The "need" can be defined after creation.
the idea that you're happy and excited and bragging over the fact that it covers the kind of artwork that needs no such incentive, is not intended for economic purposes, seems pretty messed up and really raises questions about the Copyright Office's understanding of the underpinnings of copyright law in the first place
Even if the work wasn't created for economic purposes, it doesn't mean others won't use it for economic purposes. That's sort of the whole point. But again it's only the copyright holder who can take action anyway, and in most cases they don't want to.
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It’s a difficult situation. When it comes to a sexual assault claim, often it is a he said/she said situation. If they are examining the accused’s phone, then they probably should be examining the complainants too. I’m not sure how someone can have a fair trial if the police only look for evidence that is helpful for the complainants account, and do not even look at the complainants phone. The Liam Allan case is one such case where the complainants phone was examined, but the evidence was withheld from the defence. There were messages on that phone which proved that the complainants account was false. He would likely have served a lengthy prison sentence if this evidence never came to light. Disclosure is a very real problem in British justice, it’s the prosecution who decide what to disclose and when. But if they don’t thoroughly investigate by respecting the complainants privacy but violating the defendants privacy – I’m not sure how safe any conviction can really be in such circumstances.
I get a bit tetchy when I hear the word “victim” used when it’s case when there are two different accounts, and the case has not been proven. If one person says they were sexually assaulted and another says it didn’t happen – both parties need to be treated equally and look at the evidence with an open mind. By using the word “victim” instead of complainant, it introduces bias – and implies that the sexual assault did take place. Which likely affects what evidence is sought. Of course if someone is falsely accused the defendant will be the actual victim. That’s why it is safer to keep with the word “complainant” in these types of cases, unless the case has been proven.
Basically I don’t think they should really be differentiating between complainant and defendant. Maybe there needs to be some sort of immunity of prosecution for both the complainant and the defendant for unrelated matters, and agree there should be limits on what the police can search for and retain on the phones.
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Re: Re: Artists fault
Twitter or some other body could fund action in cooperation of the "injured party". Just a few test cases would be enough to put an end to the issue (if it really exists). An invalid takedown request is perjury - and as such anyone making a false takedown requests can be pursued through the courts.
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Re: Re: Artists fault
DMCA takedowns can only be initiated by the copyright holder or someone representing his wishes. It's a given that most copyright holders would be aware of who they had licensed content to. I'm sure Twitter has the resources to sue anyone who are making wrongful takedowns requests. So yes there are legal avenues. Although I'm not convinced it really is a significant issue, but if it was a few targetted lawsuits would make certain people do some checks first.
Indeed wouldn't you just go to the copyright holder who you licenced the material to and say "hey you did a takedown request - but you shouldn't - I've got permission." who then should cancel the takedown.
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Artists fault
I don’t see this as a copyright issue. Only the copyright holder or someone authorised to act for him can make such requests.
If the person didn’t have any right to make the DMCA request, then Twitter should take some action against the person who made the takedown request. It sounds like that is not the issue here though.
It seems that the artist wanted DMCA takedown requests but forgot he had already given permission (or not told the person acting for him) – well that is an issue with the artists actions. An artist doesn’t have to do takedown requests – this artist obviously wants control of how his work is used, otherwise why do any takedown requests?
I get how passionate you are against copyright. But there are limits to how much you can blame copyright for everything. Twitter had to take a copyright holders claim that a person doesn’t have rights to post content at face value. Maybe there does need to be a penalty for those who make inaccurate requests, or those like this artist who says he did give permission, but wasted everyones time by doing a DMCA request anyway.
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Interesting discussion, particularly like the points about the cost and who is paying for it for those who are having to isolate and the economics for the individual. But also the society wide issue of having people who perhaps should be isolating and are not isolating because they are concerned about feeding their children. It just makes me think more seriously about a major change in how we do things, and perhaps Universal Basic Income in some form could be the answer.
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Europe?
Look to the EU, they are miles ahead in looking at these issues. As much flack as GDPR gets, it actually makes a lot of sense.
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Individuals privacy
So who protects the individual, say who has inaccurate information about them posted on a platform, and I am talking more about a member of the public who is unfairly identified and defamed as opposed to someone who has a public role. I get and support the reasons generally for not going after platforms for the content. As you note they can’t moderate all content – but there will be circumstances when perhaps they should moderate, or at least consider it and give a reason for their stance. The concentration on the right of free speech is good, but there needs to be some thought about the rights of privacy, and some responsibility for platforms who do not intervene in certain circumstances. Some sort of balance. Most private individuals are unlikely to have the funds to fight defamation, and although that’s great for platforms and those who abuse them – it’s not great for the little guy who may not be able to find a job because someone posted something inaccurate or misleading on a platform.
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Press release removed
Looks like they've removed the press release: https://harrisburgu.edu/hu-facial-recognition-software-identifies-potential-criminals/
From experience, people who write press releases sometimes exaggerate to make the story more interesting, and they don't always wait to get the researchers approval before publicising. It's terrifying how much Comms departments and journalists will stretch the facts. I've had my work inaccurately described in the past. The issue could be more about bad journalism than bad research. But I'm speculating, based on the removal of the press release, and on the outlandish claims. It will be interesting to see the research once published.
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Outside of the USA, the default is that the loser pays the other sides legal fees. This means that vexatious cases are unlikely. Quite frankly this guy would be broke in no time at all if he tried this in most western countries
On the post: OK, Landlord: If Copyright Supporters Are Going To Insist Copyright Is Property, Why Are They So Mad About Being Called Landlords?
OK, squatter
Of course the term "property" was meant to signify something that is owned as opposed to specifically a dwelling. Like a painting, a book etc. A piece of "property" that is well like a typical copyrighted work. Of course, if you want to use the term Landlord, then what do you refer to the person who is not paying rent, and is there illegally - a squatter?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Added an update
I prefer to think of it is as injecting a bit of objectivity/reality to the discussion.
Prenda is a particularly bad example. One of them get 14 years for his actions. So I would be surprised if these actions were repeated by others. It's like saying murder should be lawful, just because someone was framed or encouraged another to do the deed. You can still think murder is wrong.
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Re: Re:
Not ridiculous at all. It’s up to the copyright holder if they want to have their images “locked up”. They can make them copyright free, put them under creative commons or something similar, or simply ignore any copyright infringement they discover. The default is that they can be protected under copyright, but the copyright holder does not have to assert that right. Many people don’t assert that right, or make it clear that their works are copyright free. Or often just want to have control of where the work can be used and the circumstances. Indeed, to strengthen protection – copyright holders can register their work.
It’s exactly what copyright is for, allowing the copyright holder to decide who uses his work, and if he wants to stipulate restrictions. Saying “fuck all” every now and then, doesn’t strengthen your argument. Stopping creativity? Well, it depends. If it means a website or book pays a photographer for their work, then that means people can make a living in that industry. If there was no copyright restrictions, why would any publisher bother paying for content?
Copyright is designed to give control to the copyright holder. The copyright holder needs to prove an infringement, the reason for them asserting their right isn’t at all relevant. So yes, even in the US it is highly likely that someone will assert their copyright for certain sites that they disapprove of, and not bother about other sites. You take away copyright, then you take away that control. Unless you put something else in its place, but then things become even more confusing and controversial. Of course we can make our work copyright free too, or licence it with certain conditions like in Creative Commons licence, or individually respond to requests.
If what you say is true and the USA doesn’t have moral rights claims in addition to copyright, then that just strengthens the need for copyright.
Although this case springs to mind:
https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2010/09/28/the-lara-jade-cotontvx-case-the-full-story/
Not rare at all, actually a fairly typical example of cases that actually make it to court. Often it’s only worth suing those who can be shown to have made a profit from the infringement, and are likely to have the funds to pay. Saying that, publishers will almost always make sure they have the copyright permission. And why is that? It is because they don’t want to be sued for copyright infringement. If it’s perfectly legal to use any content without permission, then many publishers will not pay for content, and it will likely to become a common occurrence. The incentive to gain permission is gone, as it is not needed. It’s always good to look at the likely consequences of changes.
You criticised my other point (rather unfairly in my view) of being “one that is rare and unlikely to happen”. But then suggest this, which lets face it, probably has never happened. I struggle to take seriously that anyone would think that the inheritor would even be aware, recognise, or pursue a copyright infringement claim of some pet photos. Even I’ve gone through old photos, and have no memory of taking them, or struggle to recognise my cat from 20 years ago – so a relative is unlikely to even know some years, decades later. Indeed, they would have to prove that they owned the copyright in order to sue, and unless it is listed in the will, or a copyright notice has been filed – then that isn’t going to happen. The problem, takes care if itself.
Yes, your second point has some weight- it should put people off using material which isn’t copyright free, or where it is against whatever licence exists, or where the person hasn’t asked the copyright holder. But that is what copyright is designed for. Is that selfish, or is it selfish to use others work without permission (outside of fair use)?
It’s not locking up “all creativity”. Again, it’s up the copyright holder if they want to make it copyright free, or allow others to use in certain circumstances.
It depends how. Again, if it is copyright free, or within the terms of the licence, you can – no problem with that. If you retweet, then that is absolutely fine. The person who uploaded should be sure that he has the right to do so though. If you just email, or share through facebook that’s locked down- is anyone ever going to know? Or maybe you just send a link to the actual image you saw online?
The point was that sometimes we decide later to try and profit from our own work, or again it may be an organisation that we disapprove of. Or perhaps we think the commercial sector should be paying for the work they use to increase creativity, meaning that artists can make a living and produce more work. Why can’t they just use work they have permission to use, be it copyright free, or licence an artist?
“Explicitly choosing not to”, would be if you offered your work as copyright free, made your wishes known through Creative Commons, or gave permission in some other way etc. Which is the opposite of what you have been saying. Not confused at all – just trying to inject a bit of reality into the topic.
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Re: Re: What authors need to do
Sure, I felt I covered this in my above comment. It's the difference between "need to" and "want to". They don't have to do anything, but if they want to encourage and get their worked used widely, then it would be sensible put in CC or something similar. There is not an obligation to do this. Some in the thread wrongly felt that an outside party could sue, when it can only be the copyright holder.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Copyright lawsuits against the wish of authors
Yes authors have to sign a form to transfer the rights. Even the link you have states that they Elsevier own the copyright.
"The Dutch publishing giant holds the copyrights for the largest share of the roughly 28 million papers downloaded from Sci-Hub over 6 months in 2016".
Only a sample of 100 was used, and it is legally impossible to sue for copyright infringement if you are not the copyright holder. As for authors complaining, well that's fine - but if they have transferred the copyright to Elsevier than that is their fault. I would always encourage authors to make their research open access, or at least have an embargo
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Yes copyright is automatic, that wasn't the point,or particularly relevant. The context is talking about someones pet photos, they don't have to assert their copyright rights, they can do nothing, nada, zilch if someone uses their photos. So it is NOT locked, unless they want to take action.
I was talking from the point of view of copyright holder. Which is what this piece was all about. The copyright holder doesn't have to release under CC, it might be better if they did if they want to encourage others to use. But they do not have to. Yes someone risks action if they do not have permission if they use a piece of work protected by copyright, BUT only if the copyright holder take action (lets face it it will be a takedown request and not even a fine 99% of the time). But again, that's the responsibility of the person not getting permission or seeking copyright free material. It is only the copyright holder who can take action. So if they don't care - they wont take action.
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Re: Re: Copyright lawsuits against the wish of authors
Nope, when authors submitted their articles they agreed to transfer the copyright. So Elsevier owned the copyright. Obviously there were so many articles that they couldn't assess all of them, they used a representative sample of 100 infringed works. Btw, I'm totally in favour of going down the open access route, or at least having an embargo to allow free access at a later date.
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Re: Re: Re: Can I put all my photos of my cat in creative common
Sure, after death - the copyright still exists, and the creator is dead - so obviously can't stop who ever has inheritited the pet photos taking action they might not have approved of! So yes you are correct. In that instance, you can't do anything about it (being dead obviously). The question was regarding personal pet photos though, so it is probably very rare that someone who inherits will explicitly even know about such photos, never mind discover that someone didn't seek permission to use such photos.
Bad advice? I think that's taking things a bit too far in the context of the actual question regarding personal pet photos. But yes if you are talking about something you want to ensure is in the public domain after you have died then do use creative commons or something similar. Which I basically said. And I covered the other point, it's a given if you give or sell the copyright others can take action. But that is up to the creator.
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Re: Can I put all my photos of my cat in creative commons?
You don't have to. Good news is only the copyright owner can take action against any misuse. So if you don't care about anyone using your cat image, then you don't need to do a thing. No-one can take action without your permission. Creative commons is something you can use if you want to make it clear to others under what if any circumstances the image can be used. It could be a requirement to be accredited, or fine for all use except non-commercial use. Or make it completely copyright free.
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They're only locked if you the creator wants them locked up. If you're happy for someone to use your picture of fluffy for absolutely anything, then you need to absolutely nothing, nada, zilch. So only locked up if you want it to be locked up. Personally l like the fact that if somone puts my white cat Fluffy as the main image on a White Power site, I can assert my right to ask them to stop using it using my rights under copyright. Sounds good to me! But if I don't care I do not have to assert that right.
I think that's the wrong question. I guess I would ask who the hell expects a picture of their cat to be used by anyone for any reason. Why should a publisher be using a photo of Fluffy and making profit in his cat book, instead of just taking his own photos or paying to use the photo. If you own the copyright and don't care, then you don't have to do anything about it. But maybe you dislike this particular paper or website. Maybe you think they earn enough profit, and they should be paying photographers for the content they use.
Most of us don't need to use other people's pet photos either. There are plenty of sites with copyright free Images, and there are plenty of pets and cameras, meaning we can create our own content. Again, we don't need to assert our copyright rights, it's just their if we want to. It's there if we decide there is a "need". The "need" can be defined after creation.
Even if the work wasn't created for economic purposes, it doesn't mean others won't use it for economic purposes. That's sort of the whole point. But again it's only the copyright holder who can take action anyway, and in most cases they don't want to.
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Re: No.
Exactly, you are completely correct on this.
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