"I would like to know in what cases this tactic of "cobbling together all kinds of charges to induce people into a plea" should be used." - It is commonly used against organized crime chains. low level dealer(drugs as an example) gets caught with an ounce of coke, is told he can either cooperate, or get the book thrown at him. Possession, possession with intent to distribute, etc. Or just possession if he helps. Dealer gives up supplier above him and on and on it goes. (This is not just for cop drama shows)
"I mean.. at its core it's a threat. either plea, or else."
Depends on how you look at the threat and if it can come to fruition. If i threaten to smack you round a little... you know the chances are slim to none that will happen. Its an empty threat. I think in this case it was believable if he didn't cop a plea they would have gone nuclear and charged him with everything they thought was even remotely close. Not an empty threat.
"so.. when is that a good tactic for the "justice system"?" - Never? Always? It needs to be a case by case decision by level headed PPL. Not an attorney that is clearly trying to make a name for herself at the expense of true justice.
Justice. Blind justice needs to be applied. Just and fair even for criminals. That is what is supposed put America above all others. At least in theory, and this little fantasy in my head of what I was taught as a kid this country should be.
Who is this Swartz YOU are talking about? Because the one we knew about was nothing like what you describe above. Its appalling you would slander his name in such a way.
What's a bit surprising is that the AFP didn't even try to raise any other defense, such as fair use
Not surprising at all. The content owners will never use that angel even if they are 100% in the right. It would set a precedent for fair use that could be used against them someday. They would rather it be a grey area to exploit when it suits them.
In other news, Italian Plumber only known as "Mario" faces up to 500 years in prison for hacking the intertubes for decades. Mario was unavailable for comment, but his brother Luigi had this to say: "Anything is possible, Mario, you just gotta believe in it. "
KT, I was just searching the interwebs in response to that exact statement, trying to learn more about Aaron and I cant find anything related to hacking? Was he a hacker? (Seeing his skill-set it would not be hard to believe.)
Why are they calling this a hack? He was allowed access. Ill read the older articles again when I get home, but it seems really shady he is labeled a hacker for this.
I feel like banging my head against the wall when I read some of this stuff:
"For years, people who write about TV have been wondering just what the tipping point would be, when DVR usage, online streaming, and pirated viewing of TV broadcasts would become so significant that networks would essentially have to invent a new business model."
Um... THAT WAS TEN YEARS AGO, GET WITH THE TIMES DINOSAURS.
Ahhh. Feel slightly better.
The studios in their current form will never get with the times. Ever.
See at least with the Neoconservative Republicans they were open whith the fucked up shit they wanted to do. You could almost respect it. But with the DemocRATS, its all secret.
At least Bush had the nerve to admit he thought he was the Decider, and the mission was accomplished, and he saw the first plane hit on TV before the footage was even given to the media.
Two sides of the same coin, the 2 party system is a farce to separate the populace. It has worked rather well.
When will the sheeple that buy into this crap learn?
Um boBby boy... you are incorrect as usual. The artist sells their work to the labels, and in turn they sell it to Walmart, and we buy it from Walmart/iTunes etc,etc.
You dont buy Tastycakes from Flowers Foods, you buy it from Acme, Giant, etc. In turn Acme sells it for slightly more than they buy it for and then buys more from Flowers Foods. The only difference is the labels take all the money as no artist ever recoups.
"jump from label to label" - You dont pay too much attention to what goes on in the real world; Do you? (Rhetorical no need to answer.)
Yes, because it is just so easy to jump willy nilly from label to label. /s
Will the real boB please come back. What did he get fired from his shill position and now they hired this minimum wage lackey to replace him?
boB (if thats you) Nice try associating rape and murder to file sharing.
How about a 2700 dollar fine for jaywalking? Or running a red light? 1500 for a late charge at the library. Or how about cutting off someones hand for stealing food? Or cutting out someones tongue for trollish behavior on the internet... well I might support that one as punishment for you. LOL.
Get this boBby boy, the punishment should... R U ready? It should fit the crime. What you lobby for is as asinine as your comments.
it meant that CBS itself was guilty of infringement
I saw a vid once that made a very strong case about this, and since have found another site that makes a good case of they knew and didnt care. http://onecandleinthedark.blogspot.com/
At face value word for word it seems absurd. But...
The argument was that because CNET was owned by CBS, and because CNET site Download.com had offered up software like Limewire, combined with CNET reviewers reviewing Limewire, it meant that CBS itself was guilty of infringement. - Sooo a CBS owned site is not responsible for the content it provided? Or encouraging users to download such tools? How so? Its not like this was user generated stuff.
Yes, plead guilty and you still get your life ruined, but spend only 7 or 8 months in jail. Think your not guilty? Then we will go after you for 7 years.
That is just so fair and just. /s
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Re: acceptable in some cases
"I would like to know in what cases this tactic of "cobbling together all kinds of charges to induce people into a plea" should be used." - It is commonly used against organized crime chains. low level dealer(drugs as an example) gets caught with an ounce of coke, is told he can either cooperate, or get the book thrown at him. Possession, possession with intent to distribute, etc. Or just possession if he helps. Dealer gives up supplier above him and on and on it goes. (This is not just for cop drama shows)
"I mean.. at its core it's a threat. either plea, or else."
Depends on how you look at the threat and if it can come to fruition. If i threaten to smack you round a little... you know the chances are slim to none that will happen. Its an empty threat. I think in this case it was believable if he didn't cop a plea they would have gone nuclear and charged him with everything they thought was even remotely close. Not an empty threat.
"so.. when is that a good tactic for the "justice system"?" - Never? Always? It needs to be a case by case decision by level headed PPL. Not an attorney that is clearly trying to make a name for herself at the expense of true justice.
Justice. Blind justice needs to be applied. Just and fair even for criminals. That is what is supposed put America above all others. At least in theory, and this little fantasy in my head of what I was taught as a kid this country should be.
Good one boB.
boB, there is hope for you yet. ;)
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On the post: Court, Once Again, Explains To AFP That Twitter's Terms Don't Give It The Right To Use Any Photo
What's a bit surprising is that the AFP didn't even try to raise any other defense, such as fair use
On the post: Rep. Issa Promises Investigation Into Aaron Swartz Case
Re: Re: Not Quite, Issa
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Re: Not Quite, Issa
KT, I was just searching the interwebs in response to that exact statement, trying to learn more about Aaron and I cant find anything related to hacking? Was he a hacker? (Seeing his skill-set it would not be hard to believe.)
Why are they calling this a hack? He was allowed access. Ill read the older articles again when I get home, but it seems really shady he is labeled a hacker for this.
Did I miss something?
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Not like they are exploiting dead children to further an anti-gun agenda.
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Re: Red Meat for the True Believers
This money is new debt into the economy, as opposed to people giving money or investing directly.
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Mother Necessity Where would we be
On the post: Rep. Zoe Lofgren Plans To Introduce 'Aaron's Law' To Stop Bogus Prosecutions Under The CFAA
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USA Patriot act
National Defense Authorization Act
At least this time the bill would actually represent its namesake.
On the post: Dear HBO, Disney, Netflix Et Al: Fragmenting Online TV Lets Piracy Keep Its Biggest Advantage
Television Critics Association winter press tour:
"For years, people who write about TV have been wondering just what the tipping point would be, when DVR usage, online streaming, and pirated viewing of TV broadcasts would become so significant that networks would essentially have to invent a new business model."
Um... THAT WAS TEN YEARS AGO, GET WITH THE TIMES DINOSAURS.
Ahhh. Feel slightly better.
The studios in their current form will never get with the times. Ever.
On the post: Dear HBO, Disney, Netflix Et Al: Fragmenting Online TV Lets Piracy Keep Its Biggest Advantage
Oh wont someone think about the wax cylinder makers and sue this Apple company to save us.
Next you will tell me that records (12" black disks for the kids out there) are going away too. Sheesh.
On the post: White House Responses To 'We The People' Petitions Slowing To A Hand-Picked Crawl Of Canned Responses
Re: 1984
At least Bush had the nerve to admit he thought he was the Decider, and the mission was accomplished, and he saw the first plane hit on TV before the footage was even given to the media.
Two sides of the same coin, the 2 party system is a farce to separate the populace. It has worked rather well.
When will the sheeple that buy into this crap learn?
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Re: Re: Re: Uh, punishment is designed to hurt
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You dont buy Tastycakes from Flowers Foods, you buy it from Acme, Giant, etc. In turn Acme sells it for slightly more than they buy it for and then buys more from Flowers Foods. The only difference is the labels take all the money as no artist ever recoups.
"jump from label to label" - You dont pay too much attention to what goes on in the real world; Do you? (Rhetorical no need to answer.)
Yes, because it is just so easy to jump willy nilly from label to label. /s
Will the real boB please come back. What did he get fired from his shill position and now they hired this minimum wage lackey to replace him?
On the post: First Three Strikes Case In New Zealand Goes To Hearing
Re: Uh, punishment is designed to hurt
How about a 2700 dollar fine for jaywalking? Or running a red light? 1500 for a late charge at the library. Or how about cutting off someones hand for stealing food? Or cutting out someones tongue for trollish behavior on the internet... well I might support that one as punishment for you. LOL.
Get this boBby boy, the punishment should... R U ready? It should fit the crime. What you lobby for is as asinine as your comments.
On the post: CBS's Censorship Of CNET May Undermine A Different CBS Lawsuit
it meant that CBS itself was guilty of infringement
http://onecandleinthedark.blogspot.com/
At face value word for word it seems absurd. But...
The argument was that because CNET was owned by CBS, and because CNET site Download.com had offered up software like Limewire, combined with CNET reviewers reviewing Limewire, it meant that CBS itself was guilty of infringement. - Sooo a CBS owned site is not responsible for the content it provided? Or encouraging users to download such tools? How so? Its not like this was user generated stuff.
On the post: 'Under American Law, Anyone Interesting Is A Felon' - Tim Wu On The Prosecution Of Aaron Swartz
Another FTFY moment.
'Under American Law, Everyone Is A Felon'
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pop ups at the bottom of your page
On the post: Aaron Swartz Could Have Killed Someone, Robbed A Bank & Sold Child Porn & Faced Less Time In Prison
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A little HTML fail there.
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That is just so fair and just. /s
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