Some people prefer to argue by implying things which make no sense. This works on people who operate the same way. Also, they then like to project that behavior onto others.
Doubtful. it's just a simple fact that access control can be difficult, and is frequently done poorly. Contractors as a group a frequently given more access than they need.
What is really stupid about your statement is that the original AC put the onus on those who were in charge if giving them excessive access, whether that is an IT lazy mistake or a managerial lazy decision.
So, why, are you a contractor? (Since this thread has a nice populations of questions which are "just questions".)
They say you don't have to define those and prefer you didn't. You might receive unwanted attention. Who are "you"? Maybe you should take the rest of the day off. You will be thinking more clearly tomorrow.
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"What prevents such falsehoods now, except that it's illegal and still would be?"
You mean like other bogus notices? There are no consequences for false takedowns.
On the flip side, sex trafficking is already illegal, so what is your point, and the point of SESTA? There are already ways to address these things, such as exactly the methods used in all the examples ever given...
And what recourse does a person have who puts up a perfectly legal ad, but keeps having it "flagged" as trafficking? That seems way open for abuse on a personal level, never mind the platforms.
Or just because we know Congress is a group of people who are historically known to have members who indulge in coercive sexual acts. The whole place is a rape in progress. Book 'em, Dano.
Well, there's a new word for noncompliance. Is the technology too new? Or is organized or cultural resistance in PDs too old? Did they fail to use flashlights and cars and tasers and Stingrays when they were "too new"?
Seems more often that the projectionistas still currently engage with having some assistant to lift their luggage while denouncing the same quite loudly in public as a career.
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Personal ads existed in print before the internet, and still do. They are legal on paper. Prostitution (almost everywhere) and the trafficking of others (everywhere) is already illegal. Papers aren't liable for what they don't know, either.
Are you saying that every personals ad on the internet is an ad for paid sexual services provided by an enslaved victim? They are all just cover for sex trafficking, and the platforms know this?
I'm sure next you will want to arrest everyone who hooks up anywhere, ever. Who is to say those two leaving their friends' wedding reception early are not a perverted client and a sex worker enslaved by a pimp?
If anyone is that concerned about victims of sex trafficking, there are a lot of other ways to make sure that far fewer people are potential victims in the first place, and fewer people choose to sell sex on their own. The latter, illegal or not, and whether you find it immoral or not, has nothing to do with what SESTA is advertised as.
The latter being illegal in the first place is like throwing kids in jail on child pornography charges over sexting (or "playing doctor"). Treating the medium through which they offer sex, whether for fun or profit, as criminal itself, is ridiculous. But again, it is already illegal for platforms to knowingly do so. SESTA just makes pretty much any personal ad into potentially "knowingly promoting the trafficking of forced sex" with respect to platforms. Again, this is ludicrous. And as noted repeatedly, this will do lees than nothing to stop victimization of our fellow humans. In the case of actual trafficking ads, this is like, i don't know, blaming YouTube as causing harm when stupid criminals hand over evidence of their crimes by uploading video. It's a damn freebie. But i guess if the law can't obtain evidence by rifling through everyone's phone or internet traffic, it's too cheap, easy, and no fun or something.
I don't think anyone has bothered to challenge the decisions (or perceived climate, since most of this seems to be self censoring in advance). Probably because the beyond-overused Nazis bring roughly nothing to games, so the more naziesque bits are easily removed or "disguised" enough to please the censors who don't really seem to care either. (Policing "content gets stupid, yeah?) If it were at all important or integral, surely someone would defend their art. They throw enough money to lawyers and DRM and takedown notice farms for all manner of other pointless things. (Speaking generally, that is. I don't follow the proclivities of every particular publisher.)
Maybe write your congresscritters, and they can send someone to have a word with Germany about how we no longer demand they figuratively blow up ever swastika that wanders past.
What is exceptionally odd is the cases (the majority?) where the Nazis are clearly the enemy to be destroyed. Not sure why that promotes naziism, but then, documenting human rights abuses and war atrocities seems to get erased from public platforms as "supporting terrorism", so what do i know?
_What we're talking about is a cataclysmic change. What we're talking about is the beginning of cyber warfare._
Holy crap, what planet has she been on for the last 10 years? Other governments deal with far worse, constantly, without yelling at platforms so much.
Also, cyber this.
_What we're talking about is a major foreing (sic) power with the sophistication and ability to involve themselves in a presidential election and sow conflict and discontent all over this country._
Uh. They took our jerbs?
_We are not going to go away, gentlemen._
Goddammit, yeah, we noticed already.
_And this is a very big deal. I went home last night with profound disappointment. I asked specific questions, I got vague answers._
Omg jerb competition again.
_And the US is going to be the first of the countries to bring it to your attention, and other countries are going to follow, I'm sure._
You may want to check on the net for those last ten years you spent off-planet or whatever. (Or is this just another case of "US first" regardless of what actually happens anywhere?)
_You created these platforms, and now they're being misused. And you have to be the ones who do something about it... or we will._
Is it finally time to ban tracking and targeted advertising then? There are a lot of other, smarter things that could be done, i am sure, but unfortunately not involving your chosen scapegoat platforms in the way you imagine.
You could also stop manipulating "your own", as well as the populace in other countries. I double fucking dare you.
__(2) almost any "solution" is fraught with even more problems that will almost certainly make the problem worse.__
Yep. It's called "making sure the enemy / terrorists / whatever wins". Again. Go ahead, and give them exactly what they want. While making less than no headway toward your stated goals.
Same place they have been since far crazier thing have been done in other countries since circa 2007.
The problems from the government end of things is that their cyber is always about offense, even when they are calling defense. No part of government dare actually secure their systems much, or so little as mildly suggest corporations or critical systems secure more and expose to the public internet less. Now the legislative arm wants some companies to flippin' filter posts and ads for the same kind of bullshit they spew themselves. (Well, they occasionally use the truth also, but in a way to maximize divisiveness rather than push for a positive change.)
I am sure they are super happy with their super reinvigorated Eastasia as much as Russia is with them. Heaven forfend they actually do any real thing about this stuff, like making critical thinking a part of education. Too much autocracy envy, though.
If they had said "this is no way for Americans to behave" at the time, they would have pretty much had to empty out great whacking swathes of government to lead by example.
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Like the services who don't know how to configure their own cloud or the one they rent, so everything is directly exposed to the net in cleartext even though it looks like you have a secure login when using the door they point you to?
It also means you have control, and don't have pointless internet traffic. There has always been too much of the latter. (Although nothing even close to as "burdensome" as the wallet-gouging ISPs claim. Funny how the long-haul carriers never complained.)
I was merely kidding. But it was amusing in Excel. I never messed with it beyond the sheer blackness of a default new spreadsheet and however it generated a non-flat landscape from that.
And how much foreign policy is dictated by US (or formerly US) corporations? IKR?
I remember when it was Japan buying everything. Unfortunately, people are allowed to own stuff. One weeps for US hegemony. (I imagine it's like Dr. Smith from Lost In Space.)
_not have to search for the CD every time they launch the game_
Or spare an optical disc reader from unnecessary wear. I always assumed game publishers had a deal with the hardware industry here. Many who play a game frequently and aren't using the drive for anything else are simply going to leave that disc in all the time.
IDK did optical drives ever get "smarter" and not leave the lasers on all the time, whether the drive is actually being used or not? (And i remember them polling incessantly for no good reason under older OSes as well, which was just annoying.)
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What is really stupid about your statement is that the original AC put the onus on those who were in charge if giving them excessive access, whether that is an IT lazy mistake or a managerial lazy decision.
So, why, are you a contractor? (Since this thread has a nice populations of questions which are "just questions".)
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Re: Re: Could this be used to censor content? -- NO.
You mean like other bogus notices? There are no consequences for false takedowns.
On the flip side, sex trafficking is already illegal, so what is your point, and the point of SESTA? There are already ways to address these things, such as exactly the methods used in all the examples ever given...
And what recourse does a person have who puts up a perfectly legal ad, but keeps having it "flagged" as trafficking? That seems way open for abuse on a personal level, never mind the platforms.
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Re: Re: Re: Section 230 "legalizes" what's illegal if on paper.
Personal ads existed in print before the internet, and still do. They are legal on paper. Prostitution (almost everywhere) and the trafficking of others (everywhere) is already illegal. Papers aren't liable for what they don't know, either.
Are you saying that every personals ad on the internet is an ad for paid sexual services provided by an enslaved victim? They are all just cover for sex trafficking, and the platforms know this?
I'm sure next you will want to arrest everyone who hooks up anywhere, ever. Who is to say those two leaving their friends' wedding reception early are not a perverted client and a sex worker enslaved by a pimp?
If anyone is that concerned about victims of sex trafficking, there are a lot of other ways to make sure that far fewer people are potential victims in the first place, and fewer people choose to sell sex on their own. The latter, illegal or not, and whether you find it immoral or not, has nothing to do with what SESTA is advertised as.
The latter being illegal in the first place is like throwing kids in jail on child pornography charges over sexting (or "playing doctor"). Treating the medium through which they offer sex, whether for fun or profit, as criminal itself, is ridiculous. But again, it is already illegal for platforms to knowingly do so. SESTA just makes pretty much any personal ad into potentially "knowingly promoting the trafficking of forced sex" with respect to platforms. Again, this is ludicrous. And as noted repeatedly, this will do lees than nothing to stop victimization of our fellow humans. In the case of actual trafficking ads, this is like, i don't know, blaming YouTube as causing harm when stupid criminals hand over evidence of their crimes by uploading video. It's a damn freebie. But i guess if the law can't obtain evidence by rifling through everyone's phone or internet traffic, it's too cheap, easy, and no fun or something.
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Maybe write your congresscritters, and they can send someone to have a word with Germany about how we no longer demand they figuratively blow up ever swastika that wanders past.
What is exceptionally odd is the cases (the majority?) where the Nazis are clearly the enemy to be destroyed. Not sure why that promotes naziism, but then, documenting human rights abuses and war atrocities seems to get erased from public platforms as "supporting terrorism", so what do i know?
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Holy crap, what planet has she been on for the last 10 years? Other governments deal with far worse, constantly, without yelling at platforms so much.
Also, cyber this.
_What we're talking about is a major foreing (sic) power with the sophistication and ability to involve themselves in a presidential election and sow conflict and discontent all over this country._
Uh. They took our jerbs?
_We are not going to go away, gentlemen._
Goddammit, yeah, we noticed already.
_And this is a very big deal. I went home last night with profound disappointment. I asked specific questions, I got vague answers._
Omg jerb competition again.
_And the US is going to be the first of the countries to bring it to your attention, and other countries are going to follow, I'm sure._
You may want to check on the net for those last ten years you spent off-planet or whatever. (Or is this just another case of "US first" regardless of what actually happens anywhere?)
_You created these platforms, and now they're being misused. And you have to be the ones who do something about it... or we will._
Is it finally time to ban tracking and targeted advertising then? There are a lot of other, smarter things that could be done, i am sure, but unfortunately not involving your chosen scapegoat platforms in the way you imagine.
You could also stop manipulating "your own", as well as the populace in other countries. I double fucking dare you.
__(2) almost any "solution" is fraught with even more problems that will almost certainly make the problem worse.__
Yep. It's called "making sure the enemy / terrorists / whatever wins". Again. Go ahead, and give them exactly what they want. While making less than no headway toward your stated goals.
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The problems from the government end of things is that their cyber is always about offense, even when they are calling defense. No part of government dare actually secure their systems much, or so little as mildly suggest corporations or critical systems secure more and expose to the public internet less. Now the legislative arm wants some companies to flippin' filter posts and ads for the same kind of bullshit they spew themselves. (Well, they occasionally use the truth also, but in a way to maximize divisiveness rather than push for a positive change.)
I am sure they are super happy with their super reinvigorated Eastasia as much as Russia is with them. Heaven forfend they actually do any real thing about this stuff, like making critical thinking a part of education. Too much autocracy envy, though.
If they had said "this is no way for Americans to behave" at the time, they would have pretty much had to empty out great whacking swathes of government to lead by example.
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I remember when it was Japan buying everything. Unfortunately, people are allowed to own stuff. One weeps for US hegemony. (I imagine it's like Dr. Smith from Lost In Space.)
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Then again I suppose there is precedent, but still no case.
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Or spare an optical disc reader from unnecessary wear. I always assumed game publishers had a deal with the hardware industry here. Many who play a game frequently and aren't using the drive for anything else are simply going to leave that disc in all the time.
IDK did optical drives ever get "smarter" and not leave the lasers on all the time, whether the drive is actually being used or not? (And i remember them polling incessantly for no good reason under older OSes as well, which was just annoying.)
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