Oh no, then where would people get the racist memes they post on the rest of the internet and pretend is 'just an edgy joke, bro!' when people point out exactly what the message is? Won't someone please think of the people who've spent the 2000s trying to re-normalise racism, homophobia and antisemitism?
They still have 4chan, Reddit and Facebook. Yes, I know Reddit and Facebook supposedly cracked down, but Reddit are already quietly unbanning propagandists and will soon goi back to ignoring all the hate subs, and Facebook, well, a literal genocide didn't make them change for the better long term, this sure as hell won't.
In all the protests duting the trump era, it wasn't Black Lives Matter and Antifa doing the killing for the most part, sure were a lot of feds, proudboys and nazis assaulting or murdering innocent people though. The one left wing counter protester you could say for sure killed someone was gunned down by a mob of deputies without warning, without any attempt at an arrest. The only person who could say what happened to spark the killing was executed by the authorites qwithout trial Trump could have something to crow about on the evening news... But sure, it's antifa who are the real villains.
A mob whipped up by the most elite person ever to hold the presidency, a billionaire who inheritedthe vast majority of his wealth, near tax free, that has been shielded by his family, the media and bankruptcy laws from the consequences of his repeated failures. He gave his unelected, unqualified daughter and son in law powerful jobs in the government, changed the tax code to benefit himself, spent most of his presidency playing golf while people died and using the secret service and militarty to help prop up his failing businesses. He lived in a literal golden tower in the heart of New York until they started actually investuigating his criminal activities...
This wasn't the mob rising up against the elites, this was an attack on the people of the united states, who declared categorically they did not want four more years of this. He tried to overrule the will of the people, demanded that their votes be discarded in millions for his benefit, he tried to force Michigan to discard the entire city of Detroit for his benefit. He failed over and over and lied to his supporters continually, playing to their victim complexes, with other nepotisim beneficiaries like Matt Gaetz and Tucker Carlson acting as his backing singers until they were baying for blood, then he set them loose on the capital, fleeing to the safety of the whitehouse.
People went into congress looking to take people hostage, they set up a noose outside, they beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. The people that did this will not calm down if nothing is done, they will be back in greater numbers with more bombs and more guns next time and more people will die.
I'm not sure what good banning them from flying will do given how many of them were driven there by their mums. Good job they'll still have the Trump Train to ride on, eh?
Seriously though, the no fly list is arbitrary and stupid, including countless innocent people. 2001 proved it's a useless relic, anyone who should be on that list will either not be on the list, or find a way around it.
'We'll happily support you while you're ignoring a pandemic, stripping away minority rights, tearing immigrant children from their families and destroying the economy in the name of trickle down economics, but when you try to seize power and fail, you've gone too far! Now people that may act on campaign financing and work to break down our taxpayer subsidised monopolies are going to be in positions of power, and that is unacceptable! Bad republicans! No cookies, until the next election cycle!'
'So far' and 'seem' being the important parts, and his source was Parler themselves, let's not forget that. And even if they are being 100% honest that's 13 people out of hundreds of people involved in the terrorist act who will have charges filed in due course, including people like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, right wing 'celebrities' who absolutely were on their service.
I agree, conservative censorship is a thing, conservative groups have been attacking popular culture as long as it's been a thing, claiming it's corrupting the youth. Conservative groups have been organising letter writing campaigns, protests and boycotts of celebrities and corporation for being even slightly edgy or left leaning all my life. I remember the satanic panic attacking heavy metal music and D&D of all things. I also remember attempts at purging the left from Hollywood by Joe McCarthy in the name of fighting communism, the attacks on left wing critics of America's foreign wars in the 2000s even though their criticisms were based on the truth. I remember how we recently discovered a conservative at facebook was directing the site to lower the rankings of legitimate left wing news sites like Mither Jones, while boosting far right fan fiction like The Daily Wire. I also remember that they put Tucker Carlson's site as one if their fact checkers because they would surely be fair and balanced... Yep.
And that's without going into what the FBI and Police have dine to left wing protesters and groups and the many, many CIA backed coups and purges of the left around the world.
Oh wait, you mean censorship OF conservatives, not BY... Yeah, that's not a thing. They ban bots, bigots and dangerous conspiracy theorists, you only have yourself to blame for them being so numerous on the right. You might want to try changing your policies to get more decent people and actual humans on board.
All instigated by the left, we know, definitely not the right, despite these people openly planning violence on Parler, The Donald, 4chan and other right wing platforms, the being crowds packed with people who helped to organise Charlottesville, right wing 'celebrities' like Baked Alaska, members of right wing groups like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers, as well as reporters from the Blaze and Infowars covering it live, going from openly inciting to screaming false flag to declaring those who died to be patriots despite also being false flags when it's convenient. Donald Trump, Alex Jones and others in no way helped to instigate, nope, all infiltrators despite nobody identified, arrested or killed being shown to be left wing.
The left wing folk who caused this all just bled into the night, almost like they were never there.
What happened to Techdirt, guys? During the Obama era, they covered laws the democrats approved that negatively affected tech, but they've been so harsh to republicans since trump took power, made a slew of bad laws, approved mergers that never should have happened, killed net neutrality and gutted the FCC, all while he and other republicans make made daily pronouncements attacking tech for not letting conservatives do anything they like on their platform! Bias! Trump derangement syndrome, that's what it is!
You can tell someone's arguing in good faith when they claim nazis were on the left, because they're called national socialists, don'tchtaknow! None of the 'proud patriots' he riled up believe nazi conspiracy theories about 'globalists', the recycled blood libel Qanon stuff and other antisemitic conspiracy theories, infowars people sure weren't on the scene when that female terrorist was shot, and all the known nazis among the crowds of trump supporters, complete with nazi tattoos are all leftist plants.
So politically you side with a far left comedian who aspires to being the Bernie or bust version of Alex Jones that believes that the progressives aren't progressive at all if they don't screech 100% of the time like teapartiers, and a pro war, pro corporation borderline republican who's spent her career fighting against LGBQT+ rights and is doing the 'The left is all to blame for the far right's actions!' media tour in the hopes of getting a fox news gig.
He has access to a hell of a lot of heavily trafficked websites, the sympathetic right wing press would love to provide him with a soapbox, he also has his the money to hire someone full time to run his personal twitter -like service. He has the email addresses and phone numbers of millions of people who want to hear what he has to say, so even without twitter, he has more options to be heard by a wider audience than anyone on this website, including the owners.
Trump is not being silenced or censored, he broke the rules of a private platform. The slope he is on is not slippery, he is waddling down by choice.
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I remember when rightwingers got an anti twitter hashtag trending saying they were leaving and going to Parler for free speech, they weren't banned, the tag wasn't banned either, and the majority of them tweeted through their supposed departure and still tweet to this day.
Being denied the largest available audience is not being censored, Trump has no more of a right to a twitter account than he does to hold a rally at any venue he chooses. Denying him the ability to walk out onto the middle of the field during the superbowl halftime show to start giving political speeches is not the start of some slippery slope toward robbing anyone of their rights, it's just applying the same rules to a powerful person that we're all subject to, rules we agreed to when we entered someone else's property.
If they'd acted when he first started using the platform to peddle racist conspiracy theories we wouldn't be in this mess, but better late than never, I suppose.
Voter fraud that only happened in the parts of the ballots and the states that went against Trump, not the house and senate races where an unassailable democratic majority would be incredibly useful, only the top ticket featuring a massively unpopular republican candidate. Voter fraud so cunning that it only happened in cities filled with minorities among whom Trump is about as beloved as porcupine skin toilet paper. Voter fraud so cunning it somehow managed to happen in places where republicans controlled the elections. Voter fraud so cunning the Trump team have been unable to present any evidence of it whatsoever and had their legal teams back down the moment any judged asked them for actual proof because they don't fancy parroting the same lies they vomit on TV in a place where there'll be consequences for lying. Voter fraud so cunning that republican donors are suing the groups they funded that claimed they're able to prove it happened, for not being, in fact, able to prove anything. Voter fraud so cunning even the most hyper partisan right wing 'news' outlets like Fox and Newsmax issued on multiple on air retractions the moment the election machine companies got the lawyers involved because their stories were based on 4chan posts and the say so of the son of the guy who runs notorious pedophile and Qanon hangout, 8kun.
They have no evidence, there is no evidence, it did not happen and screaming and committing acts of terrorism will not make your far right fever dreams of fraud and persecution into a reality. They had ample opportunity to present evidence in front of friendly TV hosts like Tucker Carlson, as well as judge after judge after judge, some of which were appointed by Trump himself and they showed nothing and their cases were rejected every single time.
It is clear to everyone with even a lick of common sense that the people parroting these lies are so full of sh*t even the Trump gutted EPA would consider them for a potential superfund site.
The people who did this were dumb enough to announce they were going to do this ahead of time across reddit and it's spinoffs and social media, people warned the various agencies they were planning this, but the warnings were completely ignored. These people left a trail on the internet so wide you can see it from space as they were proud of what they did, they won't be such proud boys when the authorities are left with no choice but to start arresting them for what they've done.
And you know each and every one of them they bother to apprehend will be arrested without incident, will smile in their mug shots before being released on bail, they won't just send a mob of 'deputies' to execute them in the street without any warning, nevermind a real attempt at an arrest then have the president crow about it.
I am shocked a publishing company due to be sold to a big competitor would stop the publication of a book by a particularly vocal member of the United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights now he's no longer likely to be in a position to help or hinder that merger.
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Re: Re: Re: Leave Parler alone.
Oh no, then where would people get the racist memes they post on the rest of the internet and pretend is 'just an edgy joke, bro!' when people point out exactly what the message is? Won't someone please think of the people who've spent the 2000s trying to re-normalise racism, homophobia and antisemitism?
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Re: Leave Parler alone.
They still have 4chan, Reddit and Facebook. Yes, I know Reddit and Facebook supposedly cracked down, but Reddit are already quietly unbanning propagandists and will soon goi back to ignoring all the hate subs, and Facebook, well, a literal genocide didn't make them change for the better long term, this sure as hell won't.
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In all the protests duting the trump era, it wasn't Black Lives Matter and Antifa doing the killing for the most part, sure were a lot of feds, proudboys and nazis assaulting or murdering innocent people though. The one left wing counter protester you could say for sure killed someone was gunned down by a mob of deputies without warning, without any attempt at an arrest. The only person who could say what happened to spark the killing was executed by the authorites qwithout trial Trump could have something to crow about on the evening news... But sure, it's antifa who are the real villains.
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A mob whipped up by the most elite person ever to hold the presidency, a billionaire who inheritedthe vast majority of his wealth, near tax free, that has been shielded by his family, the media and bankruptcy laws from the consequences of his repeated failures. He gave his unelected, unqualified daughter and son in law powerful jobs in the government, changed the tax code to benefit himself, spent most of his presidency playing golf while people died and using the secret service and militarty to help prop up his failing businesses. He lived in a literal golden tower in the heart of New York until they started actually investuigating his criminal activities...
This wasn't the mob rising up against the elites, this was an attack on the people of the united states, who declared categorically they did not want four more years of this. He tried to overrule the will of the people, demanded that their votes be discarded in millions for his benefit, he tried to force Michigan to discard the entire city of Detroit for his benefit. He failed over and over and lied to his supporters continually, playing to their victim complexes, with other nepotisim beneficiaries like Matt Gaetz and Tucker Carlson acting as his backing singers until they were baying for blood, then he set them loose on the capital, fleeing to the safety of the whitehouse.
People went into congress looking to take people hostage, they set up a noose outside, they beat a police officer to death with a fire extinguisher. The people that did this will not calm down if nothing is done, they will be back in greater numbers with more bombs and more guns next time and more people will die.
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I'm not sure what good banning them from flying will do given how many of them were driven there by their mums. Good job they'll still have the Trump Train to ride on, eh?
Seriously though, the no fly list is arbitrary and stupid, including countless innocent people. 2001 proved it's a useless relic, anyone who should be on that list will either not be on the list, or find a way around it.
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'We'll happily support you while you're ignoring a pandemic, stripping away minority rights, tearing immigrant children from their families and destroying the economy in the name of trickle down economics, but when you try to seize power and fail, you've gone too far! Now people that may act on campaign financing and work to break down our taxpayer subsidised monopolies are going to be in positions of power, and that is unacceptable! Bad republicans! No cookies, until the next election cycle!'
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'So far' and 'seem' being the important parts, and his source was Parler themselves, let's not forget that. And even if they are being 100% honest that's 13 people out of hundreds of people involved in the terrorist act who will have charges filed in due course, including people like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, right wing 'celebrities' who absolutely were on their service.
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I agree, conservative censorship is a thing, conservative groups have been attacking popular culture as long as it's been a thing, claiming it's corrupting the youth. Conservative groups have been organising letter writing campaigns, protests and boycotts of celebrities and corporation for being even slightly edgy or left leaning all my life. I remember the satanic panic attacking heavy metal music and D&D of all things. I also remember attempts at purging the left from Hollywood by Joe McCarthy in the name of fighting communism, the attacks on left wing critics of America's foreign wars in the 2000s even though their criticisms were based on the truth. I remember how we recently discovered a conservative at facebook was directing the site to lower the rankings of legitimate left wing news sites like Mither Jones, while boosting far right fan fiction like The Daily Wire. I also remember that they put Tucker Carlson's site as one if their fact checkers because they would surely be fair and balanced... Yep.
And that's without going into what the FBI and Police have dine to left wing protesters and groups and the many, many CIA backed coups and purges of the left around the world.
Oh wait, you mean censorship OF conservatives, not BY... Yeah, that's not a thing. They ban bots, bigots and dangerous conspiracy theorists, you only have yourself to blame for them being so numerous on the right. You might want to try changing your policies to get more decent people and actual humans on board.
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Re: Observe all the sh*t comments
All instigated by the left, we know, definitely not the right, despite these people openly planning violence on Parler, The Donald, 4chan and other right wing platforms, the being crowds packed with people who helped to organise Charlottesville, right wing 'celebrities' like Baked Alaska, members of right wing groups like the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers, as well as reporters from the Blaze and Infowars covering it live, going from openly inciting to screaming false flag to declaring those who died to be patriots despite also being false flags when it's convenient. Donald Trump, Alex Jones and others in no way helped to instigate, nope, all infiltrators despite nobody identified, arrested or killed being shown to be left wing.
The left wing folk who caused this all just bled into the night, almost like they were never there.
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Re: JUST STOP READING TECHDIRT
What happened to Techdirt, guys? During the Obama era, they covered laws the democrats approved that negatively affected tech, but they've been so harsh to republicans since trump took power, made a slew of bad laws, approved mergers that never should have happened, killed net neutrality and gutted the FCC, all while he and other republicans make made daily pronouncements attacking tech for not letting conservatives do anything they like on their platform! Bias! Trump derangement syndrome, that's what it is!
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Re: lone voice
You can tell someone's arguing in good faith when they claim nazis were on the left, because they're called national socialists, don'tchtaknow! None of the 'proud patriots' he riled up believe nazi conspiracy theories about 'globalists', the recycled blood libel Qanon stuff and other antisemitic conspiracy theories, infowars people sure weren't on the scene when that female terrorist was shot, and all the known nazis among the crowds of trump supporters, complete with nazi tattoos are all leftist plants.
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Jimmy Dore and Tulsi Gabbart
So politically you side with a far left comedian who aspires to being the Bernie or bust version of Alex Jones that believes that the progressives aren't progressive at all if they don't screech 100% of the time like teapartiers, and a pro war, pro corporation borderline republican who's spent her career fighting against LGBQT+ rights and is doing the 'The left is all to blame for the far right's actions!' media tour in the hopes of getting a fox news gig.
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He has access to a hell of a lot of heavily trafficked websites, the sympathetic right wing press would love to provide him with a soapbox, he also has his the money to hire someone full time to run his personal twitter -like service. He has the email addresses and phone numbers of millions of people who want to hear what he has to say, so even without twitter, he has more options to be heard by a wider audience than anyone on this website, including the owners.
Trump is not being silenced or censored, he broke the rules of a private platform. The slope he is on is not slippery, he is waddling down by choice.
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Re: Re: Why bother explaining if what you say is so foolishly re
I remember when rightwingers got an anti twitter hashtag trending saying they were leaving and going to Parler for free speech, they weren't banned, the tag wasn't banned either, and the majority of them tweeted through their supposed departure and still tweet to this day.
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Being denied the largest available audience is not being censored, Trump has no more of a right to a twitter account than he does to hold a rally at any venue he chooses. Denying him the ability to walk out onto the middle of the field during the superbowl halftime show to start giving political speeches is not the start of some slippery slope toward robbing anyone of their rights, it's just applying the same rules to a powerful person that we're all subject to, rules we agreed to when we entered someone else's property.
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If they'd acted when he first started using the platform to peddle racist conspiracy theories we wouldn't be in this mess, but better late than never, I suppose.
On the post: Identifying Insurrectionists Is Going To Be Easy -- Thanks To Social Media And All The Other Online Trails People Leave
Voter fraud that only happened in the parts of the ballots and the states that went against Trump, not the house and senate races where an unassailable democratic majority would be incredibly useful, only the top ticket featuring a massively unpopular republican candidate. Voter fraud so cunning that it only happened in cities filled with minorities among whom Trump is about as beloved as porcupine skin toilet paper. Voter fraud so cunning it somehow managed to happen in places where republicans controlled the elections. Voter fraud so cunning the Trump team have been unable to present any evidence of it whatsoever and had their legal teams back down the moment any judged asked them for actual proof because they don't fancy parroting the same lies they vomit on TV in a place where there'll be consequences for lying. Voter fraud so cunning that republican donors are suing the groups they funded that claimed they're able to prove it happened, for not being, in fact, able to prove anything. Voter fraud so cunning even the most hyper partisan right wing 'news' outlets like Fox and Newsmax issued on multiple on air retractions the moment the election machine companies got the lawyers involved because their stories were based on 4chan posts and the say so of the son of the guy who runs notorious pedophile and Qanon hangout, 8kun.
They have no evidence, there is no evidence, it did not happen and screaming and committing acts of terrorism will not make your far right fever dreams of fraud and persecution into a reality. They had ample opportunity to present evidence in front of friendly TV hosts like Tucker Carlson, as well as judge after judge after judge, some of which were appointed by Trump himself and they showed nothing and their cases were rejected every single time.
It is clear to everyone with even a lick of common sense that the people parroting these lies are so full of sh*t even the Trump gutted EPA would consider them for a potential superfund site.
On the post: Identifying Insurrectionists Is Going To Be Easy -- Thanks To Social Media And All The Other Online Trails People Leave
The people who did this were dumb enough to announce they were going to do this ahead of time across reddit and it's spinoffs and social media, people warned the various agencies they were planning this, but the warnings were completely ignored. These people left a trail on the internet so wide you can see it from space as they were proud of what they did, they won't be such proud boys when the authorities are left with no choice but to start arresting them for what they've done.
And you know each and every one of them they bother to apprehend will be arrested without incident, will smile in their mug shots before being released on bail, they won't just send a mob of 'deputies' to execute them in the street without any warning, nevermind a real attempt at an arrest then have the president crow about it.
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I love how people whose behaviour is modelled after the pigs from Animal Farm are always the first to bring up his name.
'All animals are equal but some are more equal than others, and also deserve to suffer no repercussions for their actions.'
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I am shocked a publishing company due to be sold to a big competitor would stop the publication of a book by a particularly vocal member of the United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights now he's no longer likely to be in a position to help or hinder that merger.
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