"IP maximists already do this, they live from the government handing out unowed monopolies"
The point is that in exchange for teaching an invention with a patent the inventor gets a limited term of exclusive use. That term is owed as part of the deal.
So what we really have are a bunch of free loaders rationalizing that they are owed something when in fact they did noting to earn such rights.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
I have addressed this issue before. There is no point in trying to have a productive discussion here because the substance of replies are generally ignored. My purpose in visiting TechDIRT is to draw the attention journalists, inventors and people of import.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
But I find it necessary to point out that TechDIRT does have at least one redeeming use in that the comments about patent property rights are so ignorant and outrageous that it does draw inventors attention and has brought a number of inventors to the Professional Inventors Alliance and InventorEd.org. We may not have been able to help those inventors otherwise. Mike is in his own way helping inventors find the help they need to sue nasty patent pirates.
I feed from the royalty trough and real estate investment proceeds. Mike, how about explaining how you pay your bills? Whose tough are you feeding from?
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
There is nothing good in the bill which was written by and for the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness and then high-jacked by the Coalition for 21st century Patent Deform & HARMonization.
This bill is designed to socialization all independent, academic and small business inventions for the benefit of transnational corporations. It is class warfare meant to disenfranchise all small entity inventors.
It is interesting that Mike Masnick's position on the bill is similar to that of the Coalition for Patent Piracy and Fairness and that may of their members just happen to have ads on TechDIRT.
It seems reasonable that we should implement comparable measures which Mike Masnick calls for with his business. We need an open ended mechanism to challenge ownership of his assets.
All of his work product should be published so that others can examine it and he should then have to fight anyone who decides to take it, endlessly.
Maybe after experiencing this Mike Masnick would finally understand that patents are property and it is unjust to take others tangible or intangible property.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
I agree that all your compensation going ahead should be through recognition on a website. You should live from handouts, in shelters and eat only in food kitchens. Your computer and internet access can be at public libraries.
Better yet, I am willing to buy you a tent and supply one way transportation costs to Mike Masnick's place. He should allow you to use his bathroom, his computer and broadband access and supply supplemental food when necessary.
I am certain that you will find public recognition so satisfying that you do not need anything else.
While we are at it VC's should start supplying capital for public recognition :)
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
Free is virtually always a con, a setup to talk the mark into paying far more than whatever is being offered.
So way am I not surprised that TechDIRT is always pushing free? Marketing hucksters always have putty like ethical standards.
There is nothing that is really free and there are no infinite goods. It is all marketing drivel.
Even when the cost to reproduce copies is low there is still the capital cost to produce the product in the first place and a staggering cost to support and constantly upgrade.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
For once Mike Masnick has something right. Apple cannot keep up. They get lots of patents but for the most part they are pretty narrow. It is a fact that the most important inventions come from outside Apple.
Apple being rather arrogant takes those inventions and combines them in their products, bagging about being innovators.
I have tried and rejected a number of Apple products because they are crippled by design. Apple's greed and short term mindset makes their products inferior to others. HTC produces better phones than Apple.
This is why Apple is a member of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness. They innovate with unauthorized use of others inventions but cannot themselves produce the really important inventions.
What amazes me is how many people buy Apples innovative media propaganda.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
"Sorry, but that's no reason to file a lawsuit. It's a common cliche in patent lawsuits, but it's totally bogus. Of course you have other options. There is no rule that you have to file a lawsuit to "protect" the patent."
Mike Masnick continually spews drivel about patent issues. This is a perfect example. When infringement is found the patent owner usually tries to negotiate with the infringing party. When that fails they sue, and if thy do not sue they put the patent at risk of not be enforceable at all.
Some patents are valuable property and those are the patents which people do battle over.
America has suffered a serious economic decline the last few years because of dirty dealings by con artists in banking and insurance. Those con artists are part of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness along with like minded tech companies.
It is a fact that these companies ship staggering numbers of jobs out of America and it is also a fact that we cannot sustain our standard of living if we give away our inventions. This is what transnational corporations are trying to do and it is interesting that Mike Masnick and TechDIRT work very hard promoting destruction of patent rights.
There is no doubt that transnational companies will benefit from getting American ingenuity for nothing. The question is where does TechDIRT fit into this.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
Actually, human brains are basically the same size, what is different is how they are wired and how well the resulting capabilities are utilized.
TechDIRT seems to have more than it's share of people who lack an innate grasp of ethics and that is why so many TechDIRT cultists think that they have a right to take others property or to dictate the terms under which those property holders sell their property.
How someone chooses to market their property is their choice. The only legal and ethical choice the market has is to accept those terms or to not use the product. This is the essence of capitalism and I believe it work quite well.
When people or companies steal the property then they have stepped over the line and they should pay the price for their conduct. All the rationalizations in the world do not change this.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
Re: Patents sitting doing nothing but collecting dust
In today's world America's and other developed countries economic systems are being undermined by transnational corporations export of our collective intellectual capital to developing countries. They extract most of the differential value for their own profit. Americans are losing jobs and most of the rest of the economic value which inventors would produce and perhaps the most damaging side effect is that in the absence of income our countries lose subsequent inventions and the economic benefits which those inventors would have produced.
These companies band together and try to starve inventors into abandoning their inventions or they try to sucker the inventors in a declaratory judgment (DJ) situation in order to bankrupt the inventor.
Whole industries often conspire to freeze inventors out, Rambus is a good example of this. Bob Kearns and the intermittent wiper control is another example. Bob Kearns was one of the first dozen members of the Professional Inventors Alliance. Gordon Gould's case (inventor of the Laser) is another example.
Arguments that inventors should forfeit their inventions will only serve to further entrench transnational companies and inventors will not be willing to invest their time and money in that situation.
Even Mike Masnick will suffer, because his business does not produce anything of lasting value and all non invention based business are not creating new wealth. Someone has to be creating wealth which is then passed through a multitude of businesses which are not themselves creating new wealth. That whole food chain will wither and die without a source of new wealth.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
Re: Getting my head around how these patents were granted
In other words, Sun was caught with their sticky fingers on Kodak's patents and the court slapped their paddies really good:)
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
When it comes to patents you have never proved anything and you flat out don't know that you are talking about.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
Kodak has an asset and they will defend it. It is notable that both Apple and RIM are serial infringers. If they were taking your cares and parting them out would this be OK with each of you?
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
I have had companies get information from me about an invention, say that they are not interested in the invention at that time, and turn around and use the invention. Then they claim that they independently invented. They make many other affirmative defenses such as that they are not infringing, that I committed fraud to get my patent and so on.
So most claims of independent inventions are fraud.
But in the end it does not matter if they did independently invent because the contract is that the person must invent and TEACH the invention with a patent. Those who teach enable others to build on their invention with something better. If they do so the may not have to pay another inventor and if they do not produce another way of doing the task then they must pay the toll.
Software people want to claim that they invent when in fact most simply copied the invention once they saw that it could be done. They are second or third rate parasites trying to rationalize appropriating others inventions.
The point of the patent system is to force those who invent to rush to disclose their invention with a patent. If they don't and someone else does then they must pay the toll. Forcing them to disclose serves to advance the art as fast as possible. If you allow people to claim independent invention then the incentive is for them to hide how the invention works as long as possible.
This is what the software industry does, they treat something as a trade secret and then when they are left with nothing they want to deny those who play by the rules their due.
As a matter of law a published patent is notice, that is why they are published. If someone is stupid enough to not avail themselves of the patent database they have no one except themselves to blame.
Patents have value, the document is a tangible asset and that asset is worth money, in many cases a great deal of money.
Using the asset is theft and it is actionable. Take an inventor's work today and if the value of the infringement exceeds the likely cost of litigation and the inventor will adjust your attitude. The high end of patent litigation can be in the 40-50 million dollar range so if the potential recovery tops a hundred million, a patent is sound, and the infringer is collectible then they will be sued.
If the value of infringement is less then a hundred million then it is probable that the patent pirating company will get away with stealing. If they steal repeatedly amounts less than a hundred million and are only held accountable occasionally, then there is a handsome profit in their conduct.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
RJR said: "Could it be that these companies have built their fortunes on a rotten foundation of stolen patent properties and their problems are a direct result of their conduct?"
Anonymous Coward said: "If this is true, then you admit that the phone is probably infringing on many patents."
What I admit is that some companies knowingly and intentionally infringe specifically with the goal of taking the value of another person's invention for their own profit.
Anonymous Coward says: "Oh, and they're not stolen patents, they're UNOWED patents. Stealing is not the same as infringement, you're just being disingenuous."
The patents are property and they are owned just as every piece of land is owned by someone.
RJR says: "Why can I do a patent clearance search"
Anonymous Coward says: "The fact that you have to do a search before innovating or building something that you thought of just shows how broken our patent system really is."
Doing a clearance search is no different than doing a survey before you build on a piece of property. If you build on someone's property you forfeit your building and are likely subject to damages. If you are caught in the process of building and told to stop and continue to do so anyway the damages will be much higher because of intent. The same applies with a patent.
If you do not do due diligence in virtually any aspect of business you are a fool who deserves to be hauled to court and perhaps even jail.
Just because you do not like the law or others property rights does not give you the right to steal, and yes this is stealing.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
"it's almost certain that every smartphone infringes on a slew of patents"
Do you have any proof that an "average smartphone" is covered by hundreds of patents? How about you publishing a list of those patents?
The point is that you spew this kind of hyperbole all the time, zero facts and proof, just big business propaganda.
Even if there are hundreds of patents the same is true for everything which is made. I design and build electrified monorail controller circuit boards. They have hundreds of components which I buy from many scores of suppliers. Why is it that I can build a product without infringing others patents and companies like RIM, Apple, HP, Dell and other members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness cannot?
Why can I do a patent clearance search and avoid or if necessary license patents while they are not doing so? Could it be that these companies have built their fortunes on a rotten foundation of stolen patent properties and their problems are a direct result of their conduct?
"As you hopefully know the ITC process is a sneaky loophole used by patent holders to get two totally unrelated shots at putting the same company on trial for infringing on the same patents." If you damage someone they have several avenues available for restitution. One might be criminal prosecution and another may be civil damages. People pursue both all the time.
For example, I have a number of businesses, one of which is a farm producing spruce trees for landscaping. A number of years ago had some inquire about buying ten 25 foot Norway spruce trees. I mentioned to him that I was going to be out of town for two weeks and that he needed to act either before I left or wait until I returned.
I did not here from him and after returning found that ten of the trees were missing. I did not have the persons name but I did know from measuring the holes that a 60 inch tree spade was used to do the dirty deed.
I tracked the thief ($12,500 worth of trees) down and pushed for both criminal prosecution and sued him for the value of the trees. He ended up with another mortgage on his house:) He should have gone to jail but weaseled out.
Are you arguing that when someone's property is stolen that they should not pursue all available remedies?
There is no question that dealing with theft and crime is a wasteful process. But allowing such to continue would be even more wasteful. Tell me, would you build your company if you thought that others could come in and take the fruit of your labor with impunity? What makes you think that inventors should give up the fruits of their creativity and the investment it takes if they think others can take it?
Are you really blind to what is going on, or is there some incentive which makes you ignore the fact that billions of dollars worth of patent larceny is occurring ever year?
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
"PATENTS do not "create" inventions. They are not the REASON for inventions. A NEED is."
Patents are a vehicle to get an inventor to teach their invention.
Having a need is not worth anything but I did have a corporate patent pirating adversary who argued that the solution I invented to their problem was in part theirs because they had the problem. They lost the fight.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
Yep, the work of an invention promoter who used it to try and extort me into removing material from www.InventorEd.org/caution/. I told them hell no.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
"If I am missing reality, why do the studies all support what I say?"
Because you ignore all the stuff which doesn't support your position.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
This information is available on the IRS 990 which we file.
All the money raised goes to the cause, I am not paid and in fact I have sunk a great deal of my own money into inventor advocacy for about twenty years.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Patent Reform Bill Released: More Of The Same
Freeloaders - Nothing is free / Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
The point is that in exchange for teaching an invention with a patent the inventor gets a limited term of exclusive use. That term is owed as part of the deal.
So what we really have are a bunch of free loaders rationalizing that they are owed something when in fact they did noting to earn such rights.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Patent Reform Bill Released: More Of The Same
Re: Re: Re: Should Tech Dirt be abolished?
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Patent Reform Bill Released: More Of The Same
Re: Should Tech Dirt be abolished?
But I find it necessary to point out that TechDIRT does have at least one redeeming use in that the comments about patent property rights are so ignorant and outrageous that it does draw inventors attention and has brought a number of inventors to the Professional Inventors Alliance and InventorEd.org. We may not have been able to help those inventors otherwise. Mike is in his own way helping inventors find the help they need to sue nasty patent pirates.
I feed from the royalty trough and real estate investment proceeds. Mike, how about explaining how you pay your bills? Whose tough are you feeding from?
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Patent Reform Bill Released: More Of The Same
patent Deform Bill
This bill is designed to socialization all independent, academic and small business inventions for the benefit of transnational corporations. It is class warfare meant to disenfranchise all small entity inventors.
It is interesting that Mike Masnick's position on the bill is similar to that of the Coalition for Patent Piracy and Fairness and that may of their members just happen to have ads on TechDIRT.
It seems reasonable that we should implement comparable measures which Mike Masnick calls for with his business. We need an open ended mechanism to challenge ownership of his assets.
All of his work product should be published so that others can examine it and he should then have to fight anyone who decides to take it, endlessly.
Maybe after experiencing this Mike Masnick would finally understand that patents are property and it is unjust to take others tangible or intangible property.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Patent Reform Bill Released: More Of The Same
Re: Re: Re:
I agree that all your compensation going ahead should be through recognition on a website. You should live from handouts, in shelters and eat only in food kitchens. Your computer and internet access can be at public libraries.
Better yet, I am willing to buy you a tent and supply one way transportation costs to Mike Masnick's place. He should allow you to use his bathroom, his computer and broadband access and supply supplemental food when necessary.
I am certain that you will find public recognition so satisfying that you do not need anything else.
While we are at it VC's should start supplying capital for public recognition :)
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Free Is Not An Aberration; It's Basic Economics
The "FREE" Con Game
So way am I not surprised that TechDIRT is always pushing free? Marketing hucksters always have putty like ethical standards.
There is nothing that is really free and there are no infinite goods. It is all marketing drivel.
Even when the cost to reproduce copies is low there is still the capital cost to produce the product in the first place and a staggering cost to support and constantly upgrade.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Apple Goes Offensive On Patents: Sues HTC
Apple - media hype innovator
Apple being rather arrogant takes those inventions and combines them in their products, bagging about being innovators.
I have tried and rejected a number of Apple products because they are crippled by design. Apple's greed and short term mindset makes their products inferior to others. HTC produces better phones than Apple.
This is why Apple is a member of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness. They innovate with unauthorized use of others inventions but cannot themselves produce the really important inventions.
What amazes me is how many people buy Apples innovative media propaganda.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: No, You Don't Have To File Patent Lawsuits
fairure to Defend Patents Invalidates Them.
Mike Masnick continually spews drivel about patent issues. This is a perfect example. When infringement is found the patent owner usually tries to negotiate with the infringing party. When that fails they sue, and if thy do not sue they put the patent at risk of not be enforceable at all.
Some patents are valuable property and those are the patents which people do battle over.
America has suffered a serious economic decline the last few years because of dirty dealings by con artists in banking and insurance. Those con artists are part of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness along with like minded tech companies.
It is a fact that these companies ship staggering numbers of jobs out of America and it is also a fact that we cannot sustain our standard of living if we give away our inventions. This is what transnational corporations are trying to do and it is interesting that Mike Masnick and TechDIRT work very hard promoting destruction of patent rights.
There is no doubt that transnational companies will benefit from getting American ingenuity for nothing. The question is where does TechDIRT fit into this.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Re: Puny Children
TechDIRT seems to have more than it's share of people who lack an innate grasp of ethics and that is why so many TechDIRT cultists think that they have a right to take others property or to dictate the terms under which those property holders sell their property.
How someone chooses to market their property is their choice. The only legal and ethical choice the market has is to accept those terms or to not use the product. This is the essence of capitalism and I believe it work quite well.
When people or companies steal the property then they have stepped over the line and they should pay the price for their conduct. All the rationalizations in the world do not change this.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Eric Schmidt On How To Encourage Innovation
Re: Patents sitting doing nothing but collecting dust
These companies band together and try to starve inventors into abandoning their inventions or they try to sucker the inventors in a declaratory judgment (DJ) situation in order to bankrupt the inventor.
Whole industries often conspire to freeze inventors out, Rambus is a good example of this. Bob Kearns and the intermittent wiper control is another example. Bob Kearns was one of the first dozen members of the Professional Inventors Alliance. Gordon Gould's case (inventor of the Laser) is another example.
Arguments that inventors should forfeit their inventions will only serve to further entrench transnational companies and inventors will not be willing to invest their time and money in that situation.
Even Mike Masnick will suffer, because his business does not produce anything of lasting value and all non invention based business are not creating new wealth. Someone has to be creating wealth which is then passed through a multitude of businesses which are not themselves creating new wealth. That whole food chain will wither and die without a source of new wealth.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Re: Getting my head around how these patents were granted
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Re: Re: Re: Re: bullshit
When it comes to patents you have never proved anything and you flat out don't know that you are talking about.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Re: Kodak on its back
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Re: Re: Re: Anonymous, Unethical & Stupid
So most claims of independent inventions are fraud.
But in the end it does not matter if they did independently invent because the contract is that the person must invent and TEACH the invention with a patent. Those who teach enable others to build on their invention with something better. If they do so the may not have to pay another inventor and if they do not produce another way of doing the task then they must pay the toll.
Software people want to claim that they invent when in fact most simply copied the invention once they saw that it could be done. They are second or third rate parasites trying to rationalize appropriating others inventions.
The point of the patent system is to force those who invent to rush to disclose their invention with a patent. If they don't and someone else does then they must pay the toll. Forcing them to disclose serves to advance the art as fast as possible. If you allow people to claim independent invention then the incentive is for them to hide how the invention works as long as possible.
This is what the software industry does, they treat something as a trade secret and then when they are left with nothing they want to deny those who play by the rules their due.
As a matter of law a published patent is notice, that is why they are published. If someone is stupid enough to not avail themselves of the patent database they have no one except themselves to blame.
Patents have value, the document is a tangible asset and that asset is worth money, in many cases a great deal of money.
Using the asset is theft and it is actionable. Take an inventor's work today and if the value of the infringement exceeds the likely cost of litigation and the inventor will adjust your attitude. The high end of patent litigation can be in the 40-50 million dollar range so if the potential recovery tops a hundred million, a patent is sound, and the infringer is collectible then they will be sued.
If the value of infringement is less then a hundred million then it is probable that the patent pirating company will get away with stealing. If they steal repeatedly amounts less than a hundred million and are only held accountable occasionally, then there is a handsome profit in their conduct.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Anonymous, Unethical & Stupid
Anonymous Coward said: "If this is true, then you admit that the phone is probably infringing on many patents."
What I admit is that some companies knowingly and intentionally infringe specifically with the goal of taking the value of another person's invention for their own profit.
Anonymous Coward says: "Oh, and they're not stolen patents, they're UNOWED patents. Stealing is not the same as infringement, you're just being disingenuous."
The patents are property and they are owned just as every piece of land is owned by someone.
RJR says: "Why can I do a patent clearance search"
Anonymous Coward says: "The fact that you have to do a search before innovating or building something that you thought of just shows how broken our patent system really is."
Doing a clearance search is no different than doing a survey before you build on a piece of property. If you build on someone's property you forfeit your building and are likely subject to damages. If you are caught in the process of building and told to stop and continue to do so anyway the damages will be much higher because of intent. The same applies with a patent.
If you do not do due diligence in virtually any aspect of business you are a fool who deserves to be hauled to court and perhaps even jail.
Just because you do not like the law or others property rights does not give you the right to steal, and yes this is stealing.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: Can Any Smartphone Survive The Patent Gantlet?
Theft Is Theft, Rationalizations Not Acceptable
"it's almost certain that every smartphone infringes on a slew of patents"
Do you have any proof that an "average smartphone" is covered by hundreds of patents? How about you publishing a list of those patents?
The point is that you spew this kind of hyperbole all the time, zero facts and proof, just big business propaganda.
Even if there are hundreds of patents the same is true for everything which is made. I design and build electrified monorail controller circuit boards. They have hundreds of components which I buy from many scores of suppliers. Why is it that I can build a product without infringing others patents and companies like RIM, Apple, HP, Dell and other members of the Coalition for Patent Piracy & Fairness cannot?
Why can I do a patent clearance search and avoid or if necessary license patents while they are not doing so? Could it be that these companies have built their fortunes on a rotten foundation of stolen patent properties and their problems are a direct result of their conduct?
"As you hopefully know the ITC process is a sneaky loophole used by patent holders to get two totally unrelated shots at putting the same company on trial for infringing on the same patents." If you damage someone they have several avenues available for restitution. One might be criminal prosecution and another may be civil damages. People pursue both all the time.
For example, I have a number of businesses, one of which is a farm producing spruce trees for landscaping. A number of years ago had some inquire about buying ten 25 foot Norway spruce trees. I mentioned to him that I was going to be out of town for two weeks and that he needed to act either before I left or wait until I returned.
I did not here from him and after returning found that ten of the trees were missing. I did not have the persons name but I did know from measuring the holes that a 60 inch tree spade was used to do the dirty deed.
I tracked the thief ($12,500 worth of trees) down and pushed for both criminal prosecution and sued him for the value of the trees. He ended up with another mortgage on his house:) He should have gone to jail but weaseled out.
Are you arguing that when someone's property is stolen that they should not pursue all available remedies?
There is no question that dealing with theft and crime is a wasteful process. But allowing such to continue would be even more wasteful. Tell me, would you build your company if you thought that others could come in and take the fruit of your labor with impunity? What makes you think that inventors should give up the fruits of their creativity and the investment it takes if they think others can take it?
Are you really blind to what is going on, or is there some incentive which makes you ignore the fact that billions of dollars worth of patent larceny is occurring ever year?
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: How Patents Harm Biotech Innovation
Inventors Create Inventions
Patents are a vehicle to get an inventor to teach their invention.
Having a need is not worth anything but I did have a corporate patent pirating adversary who argued that the solution I invented to their problem was in part theirs because they had the problem. They lost the fight.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: How Patents Harm Biotech Innovation
Re: Ronald J Riley Search...
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: How Patents Harm Biotech Innovation
Re: Re: I am waiting for a rational explanation.
Because you ignore all the stuff which doesn't support your position.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
On the post: How Patents Harm Biotech Innovation
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Open Initiatives and Jobs.
All the money raised goes to the cause, I am not paid and in fact I have sunk a great deal of my own money into inventor advocacy for about twenty years.
Ronald J. Riley,
I am speaking only on my own behalf.
Affiliations:
President - www.PIAUSA.org - RJR at PIAUSA.org
Executive Director - www.InventorEd.org - RJR at InvEd.org
Senior Fellow - www.PatentPolicy.org
President - Alliance for American Innovation
Caretaker of Intellectual Property Creators on behalf of deceased founder Paul Heckel
Washington, DC
Direct (810) 597-0194 / (202) 318-1595 - 9 am to 8 pm EST.
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