Re: Re: Re: Perfect example of your "business model problem"
Opening a dictionary or reading the criminal statues, both of which clearly define 'theft' and 'copying' as separate things that do not overlap, is such a twisted perspective to have on reality....
Sure, agree totally.
But why do the company's insist on screwing paying customers?
Piracy is no excuse to give PAYING customers a steaming pile of internet/DRM dependent crap.
See - what Mike and others are saying is that the pirates - CONTINUE TO PIRATE. DRM or no DRM.
So this ends up screwing **PAYING** customers..
Does DRM stop the 'pirates'? Go Google any DRM protected game and all the word 'torrent' to the back of it - do you think yo ucan get the game?
Sure you can - probably with a complimentary trojan - but still.. we end up with the same result. Pirates think they are getting by for nothing - their cracked, virus laden game works with no DRM.
Us paying customers have to 'suck it up' and live with DRM to stop the pirates who are busy playing their games, while a paying customer is running to the store to buy another game because the DRM on the last one he bought prevented him from playing the game.
I fully understand the position of developers and getting their hard work pirated.
BUT the company's DO NOT seem to understand the position of PAYING customers.
I'm just DONE With EA too - I really like the Sims 3, because it's a 'creative' game and I don't like to just blow things up all the time. But I can't tell you how many times I've had to re-install ALL the DVD's to get it to work.
See - there's the problem with 'The Sims 3' - the more you buy from them, the more of a hassle maintaining it becomes.. is that how it should be?
Steam: MUST IT REALLY have such a stupid file structure? I hate it's organization. It goes 14 directories deep in some of these games, it's a total mess on my file system. So what? I'm OCD about organization on my file system - but then I work on File Servers and App Servers for a living - so in that case, it is a benefit that I'm like that.
Steam just makes me mad about how it wants to install.
Ubisoft: yeah, great games - as long as you have internet. But then when my internet's working, I'm either working or playing a MMO anyway, so they kinda fail there too.
Square-Enix really pissed me off - I BUY the DVD and then have to download half the game?? What's the point of selling the DVD in a store? Come on now. Stupid.
Anymore, I seem to end up playing Roulette on facebook or Mahjong on Linux more than the games I have paid 50+ bucks for... sad, huh?
Flame all you want, all you care to - call me whatever, but it doesn't matter. I work for my money too. I don't expect to get ripped off either.
I understand the developers point - they don't want to get ripped off.
But Nor do I want to get ripped off - and that's why I have this attitude.
I've been purchasing games since 1979. I start on Atari 2600, went to Commodore, went to Nintendo, Sega, IBM-PC, Playstation, X-Box.
I could pack the back of a pick-up truck full of the games I've bought. I'm a game junky...
But you know what - in all honesty, since my internet went down and I wandered from my PC... I have maybe put in 3 hours of gaming in the last three weeks. Maybe that'll change this winter, but... dunno. I was just really annoyed I couldn't play any of the three games I had recently bought before my internet went down.
So go get your pirates gaming industry. I'll sign up for a single Subscription service, like Sony Station and that'll probably be it now. It saves me cash anyway.
Steam offline mode for the win. Steam is about as restrictive of a DRM as i will put up with.
Indeed, but I didn't *expect* my router to die 3 hours after it was set up.
So Steam failed at providing entertainment when I had time for it.
It failed to come through on it's concept. A game's concept is something that is entertaining - not something that just annoys me and that's what it does.
And the fanboy's can GO ON all they want and flame me for ranting, but I AM a PAYING customer. Simple as that.
As a matter of fact, my kids and their friends know - if I catch them running torrent on my network at home - they are cut off.
So hell yeah I'm going to piss, moan, and rant - I have a few hundred dollars of shit-ware at home that I can't use when my internet's down or if I'm off the grid on my laptop.
And yeah - Steam is .... 'ok... about it, since you can go in offline mode.
But, half the time I end up going back to play Fallout 3, Warcraft 3, Civ4, Rome:Total War - and other games - that you know what? Just 'effing work.
Re: "if your product can't outperform the pirated version"!
You take a deliberate effort to STEAL and TWIST that criminal act into that they have to compete with it!
Why do you make assumptions that EVERYONE steals? Some of us also make money from developing content too and many of us, are just honest and do NOT steal, but likewise - Some of us DO NOT HAVE TIME to screw with flakey DRM that restricts us.
I deal with tech issues all day, on a large chunk of my free time, I'm working with a CMS and/or web code - I do not feel like screwing with getting DRM to work. I just don't care to - I can spend my money elsewhere and not have to fool with it. And so what if my internet's down - that's up to me if I even want it at home. It's also up to me where I do spend my cash. If a product doesn't meet your needs - should you buy it? One of my 'needs' is to be able to game when I want - internet or no internet. Particularly if I'm traveling and don't want to pay to connect at the Airport, etc.
I buy stuff from Stardock sometimes simply because they don't junk up their products with DRM that relies on the web to work.
It doesn't justify it but the DRM certainly has the opposite effect than planned. It pushes more people to the pirated version and/or stops otherwise paying customers from doing so
Yep. I still won't 'pirate' it though. It's hard now deciding which game to buy. It makes it easier, in the long run, if I just eliminate some company's totally out of my decision making.
After the tech left, the router kept having issues with DNS resolution and would keep cutting out. I was having my A/C worked on the next day, was too busy for about 5 days to setup a time with the cable company to fix it.
Of course, in the late evening I could play some games - and that's just what I wanted to do. With the internet being down, I couldn't work on any of my website stuff so it was a welcome hiatus anyway.
Steam doesn't work - of course. I didn't think to put it in offline mode. Since the router was ISP provided, I wasn't going to bu a new one.
So I run to a local store and buy Supreme Commander 2 - then find out - in spite of it being a DVD, I have to freakin' download half the game. It didn't say a thing about that on the package. Then I try to play an Ubisoft game - doesn't work of course. Keep in mind, I have all of the Assassin's Creed on disc, along with a few other games.. I forget which game, but I do remember I was quite annoyed with Ubisoft and Square-Enix for these DRM setups that prevented me from playing the games, I PURCHASED.
If I would have gotten them off torrent - guess what? I could have played them.
So I went back to the store - I was frankly in a mood to play a game. Was going to buy Civ5 - but alas, it required internet too. I was pretty annoyed by this time.
I ended up just skipping it totally and bought some a couple new space organizers, went home and cleaned/straightened up.
Since then, I just signed up for an online MMO, but I think my days of BUYING DRM games that require the internet are OVER. I still won't torrent them but I also WILL NOT BUY ANY SINGLE PLAYER game that requires internet.
Hear that developers???
I probably buy 30 games a year, but if it requires internet and it's not a internet based game, I won't *****BUY***** it.
I'm tired of this, I frankly don't have time to screw with it and I'm not waiting anymore money.
And I am in fact a (former in some cases) paying customer, I don't agree with piracy.
Please do, and while you're at it, investigate about 95% of the rest of the investment world..
The financial system is quite obviously *rife* with corruption, plus it would do far more for the 'good of the people' than seizing web domains of gambling or similar sites.
Funny thing is - if by chance the guy's not lying, it's a perfect plan to get out of a contract... just hack the other party's PC and no lawyer would believe you did it!
How many things have you bought because you seen it/them or something similar in one of the above places?
How many CD's have you bought where you never heard the group? Personally, it's almost never for me.
How many movies you own that you didn't see elsewhere first?
Art is a given, you ALWAYS see it 'free' before buying it, right? Even if it's in a high priced gallery - it's not like they have a cloth draped over it and you buy blind - you'd either have to be an idiot or very 'adventurous' to do that, huh?
Same with books - although textbooks/reference may be a bit different. But books for entertainment - I buy a series or an author that well - I've read before.
While some content you may never see or hear before buying, I bet 99% of the population has heard/seen what they are buying for free prior to purchase in 90% of cases..
When are the Long Beach police going to start wearing Nazi armbands? This is the most ridiculous excuse for protecting citizens, which is what we supposedly pay them to do.
I don't think it was illegal in Nazi Germany to photograph police...
Taking pictures - when you consider just about EVERY phone has a camera on it now - and hell, half the intersections have a camera too... is "out of the ordinary"????
We're getting very, very close to being a police state.
Indeed, the powers that be want a country with the productivity of the US, but the government of China.
However; the problems is that the productivity in the US is due directly to the freedoms. Take those away, and innovation and productivity go with them.
Can we use that term somehow? This guy's name should live on..
Perhaps now when some public official tries to make their job 'non-public' for purposes of corruption, we could say they are "pulling a Sedergren".
Just seems oddly fitting. Obviously, there's no other real good explanation for a 'servant of the public' - while on public duty, paid by taxpayers would have to think his job is in anyway private.
After hours or in the context of an investigation, it would be different - but not in this case. This should be as public as possible.
As a collector of motorcycle memorabilia, I'm happy to no longer be confused about where these biker rallies occur. Who knows, I could've ended up in BFE spending my hard earned money upon fake Sturgis souvenirs.
So in otherwords, you can pay for a 'not really loss less file' with poor quality (call it what you want - background noise = poor quality) or you can simply torrent it for free (not withstanding ethical issues) and get a prefectly lossless file.
So what compels the consumer to actually buy the digital music?
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Re: Re: Re: Perfect example of your "business model problem"
Sure, agree totally.
But why do the company's insist on screwing paying customers?
Piracy is no excuse to give PAYING customers a steaming pile of internet/DRM dependent crap.
See - what Mike and others are saying is that the pirates - CONTINUE TO PIRATE. DRM or no DRM.
So this ends up screwing **PAYING** customers..
Does DRM stop the 'pirates'? Go Google any DRM protected game and all the word 'torrent' to the back of it - do you think yo ucan get the game?
Sure you can - probably with a complimentary trojan - but still.. we end up with the same result. Pirates think they are getting by for nothing - their cracked, virus laden game works with no DRM.
Us paying customers have to 'suck it up' and live with DRM to stop the pirates who are busy playing their games, while a paying customer is running to the store to buy another game because the DRM on the last one he bought prevented him from playing the game.
Sure... makes sense?
To some maybe - but not to my bank account.
Quit treating your paying customers like thieves.
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BUT the company's DO NOT seem to understand the position of PAYING customers.
I'm just DONE With EA too - I really like the Sims 3, because it's a 'creative' game and I don't like to just blow things up all the time. But I can't tell you how many times I've had to re-install ALL the DVD's to get it to work.
See - there's the problem with 'The Sims 3' - the more you buy from them, the more of a hassle maintaining it becomes.. is that how it should be?
Steam: MUST IT REALLY have such a stupid file structure? I hate it's organization. It goes 14 directories deep in some of these games, it's a total mess on my file system. So what? I'm OCD about organization on my file system - but then I work on File Servers and App Servers for a living - so in that case, it is a benefit that I'm like that.
Steam just makes me mad about how it wants to install.
Ubisoft: yeah, great games - as long as you have internet. But then when my internet's working, I'm either working or playing a MMO anyway, so they kinda fail there too.
Square-Enix really pissed me off - I BUY the DVD and then have to download half the game?? What's the point of selling the DVD in a store? Come on now. Stupid.
Anymore, I seem to end up playing Roulette on facebook or Mahjong on Linux more than the games I have paid 50+ bucks for... sad, huh?
Flame all you want, all you care to - call me whatever, but it doesn't matter. I work for my money too. I don't expect to get ripped off either.
I understand the developers point - they don't want to get ripped off.
But Nor do I want to get ripped off - and that's why I have this attitude.
I've been purchasing games since 1979. I start on Atari 2600, went to Commodore, went to Nintendo, Sega, IBM-PC, Playstation, X-Box.
I could pack the back of a pick-up truck full of the games I've bought. I'm a game junky...
But you know what - in all honesty, since my internet went down and I wandered from my PC... I have maybe put in 3 hours of gaming in the last three weeks. Maybe that'll change this winter, but... dunno. I was just really annoyed I couldn't play any of the three games I had recently bought before my internet went down.
So go get your pirates gaming industry. I'll sign up for a single Subscription service, like Sony Station and that'll probably be it now. It saves me cash anyway.
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Re: Re:
Indeed, but I didn't *expect* my router to die 3 hours after it was set up.
So Steam failed at providing entertainment when I had time for it.
It failed to come through on it's concept. A game's concept is something that is entertaining - not something that just annoys me and that's what it does.
And the fanboy's can GO ON all they want and flame me for ranting, but I AM a PAYING customer. Simple as that.
As a matter of fact, my kids and their friends know - if I catch them running torrent on my network at home - they are cut off.
So hell yeah I'm going to piss, moan, and rant - I have a few hundred dollars of shit-ware at home that I can't use when my internet's down or if I'm off the grid on my laptop.
And yeah - Steam is .... 'ok... about it, since you can go in offline mode.
But, half the time I end up going back to play Fallout 3, Warcraft 3, Civ4, Rome:Total War - and other games - that you know what? Just 'effing work.
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Re: "if your product can't outperform the pirated version"!
Why do you make assumptions that EVERYONE steals? Some of us also make money from developing content too and many of us, are just honest and do NOT steal, but likewise - Some of us DO NOT HAVE TIME to screw with flakey DRM that restricts us.
I deal with tech issues all day, on a large chunk of my free time, I'm working with a CMS and/or web code - I do not feel like screwing with getting DRM to work. I just don't care to - I can spend my money elsewhere and not have to fool with it. And so what if my internet's down - that's up to me if I even want it at home. It's also up to me where I do spend my cash. If a product doesn't meet your needs - should you buy it? One of my 'needs' is to be able to game when I want - internet or no internet. Particularly if I'm traveling and don't want to pay to connect at the Airport, etc.
I buy stuff from Stardock sometimes simply because they don't junk up their products with DRM that relies on the web to work.
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Re: Re:
Yep. I still won't 'pirate' it though. It's hard now deciding which game to buy. It makes it easier, in the long run, if I just eliminate some company's totally out of my decision making.
On the post: Ubisoft Removes 'Always On' DRM From New Driver Game; Replaces It With Something Slightly Less Annoying
After the tech left, the router kept having issues with DNS resolution and would keep cutting out. I was having my A/C worked on the next day, was too busy for about 5 days to setup a time with the cable company to fix it.
Of course, in the late evening I could play some games - and that's just what I wanted to do. With the internet being down, I couldn't work on any of my website stuff so it was a welcome hiatus anyway.
Steam doesn't work - of course. I didn't think to put it in offline mode. Since the router was ISP provided, I wasn't going to bu a new one.
So I run to a local store and buy Supreme Commander 2 - then find out - in spite of it being a DVD, I have to freakin' download half the game. It didn't say a thing about that on the package. Then I try to play an Ubisoft game - doesn't work of course. Keep in mind, I have all of the Assassin's Creed on disc, along with a few other games.. I forget which game, but I do remember I was quite annoyed with Ubisoft and Square-Enix for these DRM setups that prevented me from playing the games, I PURCHASED.
If I would have gotten them off torrent - guess what? I could have played them.
So I went back to the store - I was frankly in a mood to play a game. Was going to buy Civ5 - but alas, it required internet too. I was pretty annoyed by this time.
I ended up just skipping it totally and bought some a couple new space organizers, went home and cleaned/straightened up.
Since then, I just signed up for an online MMO, but I think my days of BUYING DRM games that require the internet are OVER. I still won't torrent them but I also WILL NOT BUY ANY SINGLE PLAYER game that requires internet.
Hear that developers???
I probably buy 30 games a year, but if it requires internet and it's not a internet based game, I won't *****BUY***** it.
I'm tired of this, I frankly don't have time to screw with it and I'm not waiting anymore money.
And I am in fact a (former in some cases) paying customer, I don't agree with piracy.
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The financial system is quite obviously *rife* with corruption, plus it would do far more for the 'good of the people' than seizing web domains of gambling or similar sites.
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Yeah, the only possibility is that someone might hear it, like it and buy it...
Can't have that!!!
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Radio.
TV.
Art Museum.
Library.
How many things have you bought because you seen it/them or something similar in one of the above places?
How many CD's have you bought where you never heard the group? Personally, it's almost never for me.
How many movies you own that you didn't see elsewhere first?
Art is a given, you ALWAYS see it 'free' before buying it, right? Even if it's in a high priced gallery - it's not like they have a cloth draped over it and you buy blind - you'd either have to be an idiot or very 'adventurous' to do that, huh?
Same with books - although textbooks/reference may be a bit different. But books for entertainment - I buy a series or an author that well - I've read before.
While some content you may never see or hear before buying, I bet 99% of the population has heard/seen what they are buying for free prior to purchase in 90% of cases..
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Re: Long Beach "Police"
I don't think it was illegal in Nazi Germany to photograph police...
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Re: Re: Re: Re:
Taking pictures - when you consider just about EVERY phone has a camera on it now - and hell, half the intersections have a camera too... is "out of the ordinary"????
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Re: Re: UK does the same thing
Perhaps - but consider - that the US has *THE* largest prison population in the world - surpassing even China in raw numbers, not per capita..
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Re: UK does the same thing
Indeed, the powers that be want a country with the productivity of the US, but the government of China.
However; the problems is that the productivity in the US is due directly to the freedoms. Take those away, and innovation and productivity go with them.
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Actually, it's incredible that anyone would expect anything else out of that tabloid... lol
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Can we use that term somehow? This guy's name should live on..
Perhaps now when some public official tries to make their job 'non-public' for purposes of corruption, we could say they are "pulling a Sedergren".
Just seems oddly fitting. Obviously, there's no other real good explanation for a 'servant of the public' - while on public duty, paid by taxpayers would have to think his job is in anyway private.
After hours or in the context of an investigation, it would be different - but not in this case. This should be as public as possible.
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You seriously think copyright will stop that?
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So what compels the consumer to actually buy the digital music?
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