After passing the threshold and getting (or not getting) a response, the next step is to take the official response (or lack thereof) and run with it to the public.
If people are so unhappy, where is the activism? I tell you, a clever person would form a political party. They would form it not for the most extreme fringes of the existing parties, but for the broad middle.
The power that could come from ACTUALLY representing the people could be worth the trouble.
The problem is our PRISONS are already fuller than any other nation we can reliably measure on earth. The problem is we prosecute and jail too many people. The problem is we criminalize too much.
The problem is NOT that people should have to be proven guilty before being packed off to jail. Ok? It takes too much work to do their jobs? Is that the excuse?
"medical device company decided to bypass FDA clinical trials and use bone cement in the spines of humans. Given that the cement wasn't properly tested, it should come as no big surprise that a number of people died as a result."
"Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, "
"Lay those two cases down beside that of a 26-year old kid who did the online equivalent of checking out too many books out of the library. For doing that, Aaron Swartz was initially charged with four felonies. The prosecutors in the Synthes case agreed to charge the executives only with one misdemeanor each. In the instance of HSBC, they used their discretion to avoid pursuing criminal charges altogether."
If you are defending the prosecution on the Swartz case.... at all..
The point is that nothing should be prosecuted until there is enough evidence to convict. Yes, yes, I am aware that there is no way of knowing how much evidence is needed to convict. But by allowing plea bargaining, the chance of conviction is now nothing more than a bargaining chip to use so that the prosecutor doesn't even have to bother.
I was interested to see that some countries do not even HAVE plea bargaining. I think perhaps that is the correct route.
Did you know the US jails a larger percentage of its population than any other nation in the world that can be verified? Including China, Iran, Russia?
Americans are in love with the Reagan era, when we saw ourselves as this global force for good fighting Communism. To a certain extent, I even believe that that is what we were, although obviously there have always been problems even with that era.
In the wake of the end of the Cold War though, we have been a nation without a rudder, and all the power we ginned up in order to face down the Soviet Union is slowly being turned inward against our own people, and diverted on the international front towards promoting our banking industry's interests at the expense of people who have no chance of defending themselves from our massive military.
No one wants to admit that the problem IS the USA. The shame is too much to swallow. A lot of it is pride. So they make excuses, like the lawyer you spoke to.
That's obviously just my opinion, but it's the sense I have after watching it happen over the last 30 years.
I can't even tell who you're talking to, or what you're talking about, but as to the link....
Kerr admits the laws need to be redone even as he tries to defend the prosecution, but in the end states the laws are too punitive. He knows it's wrong, but as a lawyer tries to make it look less bad than it is, even though someone is now dead who was obviously being bullied by a prosecution he admits went too far.
It is rambling nonsense. He is making a mockery of his own career here.
Patents, as expressed in the Constitution and through history, are not property rights. Ideas cannot be owned. They are most closely related to civil rights, but they are truly a thing unto themselves - a unique legal concept, and one that has utility especially in the context of modern private capital that is also legally required for tax payments.
I can't speak to the occurance of the Industrial Revolution as it pertains to patents, but what we have seen repeatedly is, again, the patents follow the innovations and not the other way around. Since the world was already ensconced in partial reserve banking practices by the time of the industrial revolution, it is unsurprising that patents follow innovation and only then is that innovation able to spread to the masses. Under our current monetary system, nothing can get done without the banks financing it.
This is the reason why patents are necessary. People can monetize innovation without any problem, but a bank cannot. The bank needs there to be some reason why people come to its borrowers for services.
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This guy never talks about anything, just spews citations and then insults citations from anyone who doesn't agree with his weird view.
I've already explained what's bs about Kerr's take on this. Aaron did not bypass authorization. He was authorized to be on the network. He violated the terms of service.
It doesn't matter how many lawyers you line up on either side. Violating terms of service is not illegal, and if it were it would still be an evil law.
He can't address that, so he tries to make his lame argument look rational by posting various one sided links.
AND he likes to try to get people not to post here. He's a weird dude, man. No need to pay any attention to him.
Re: Re: Re: My comment about this article over on the "Opposing Views" website
Lessig appears to be trying to protect his reputation as a moderate reformer, and Lessig, like any lawyer, has a vested interest in people respecting the law no matter what. However, unjust laws have no validity, and the law that allows an entity like JSTOR to tuck research that is often used in public policy formation away behind a paywall is, in my opinion and the opinions of many others (some of whom are lawyers with a bit more courage than Lessig), immoral.
Having addressed that, the other issue I have with Lessig is he keeps reiterating Aaron did something illegal, which he did not. He violated a terms of service agreement. That's not illegal. It certainly is not listed in the various indictments against Aaron.
Excuses pile up while the government abuses citizens. It's not as if Aaron is the only one that has suffered under the current IP regime. I surely wish you had better priorities.
Lol... Thanks for clearing the last of my doubts about your character. I kept having this nagging feeling you had a point because, truthfully, I do feel there need to be actual, street level protests.
I understood your model before you posted. What you are missing is that I and a lot of people like me are about as high tech a friend as a lot of people have, and I don't have any real interest in hacking. Many people don't have any interest in seeking out a hacker. Those of you in the community seem to think it's ubiquitous, but it doesn't seem to be so from my experience.
The system as they envision it can withstand some low level siphoning. It is the wide open fire hydrant stuff they want tamped down.
I don't know but that in the end they might settle on an IP tax on the internet as a whole, and before long you would just find the cost attached to any internet service you use. That's how they dealt with cassette tapes.
I understood your model before you posted. What you are missing is that I and a lot of people like me are about as high tech a friend as a lot of people have, and I don't have any real interest in hacking. Many people don't have any interest in seeking out a hacker. Those of you in the community seem to think it's ubiquitous, but it doesn't seem to be so from my experience.
The system as they envision it can withstand some low level siphoning. It is the wide open fire hydrant stuff they want tamped down.
I don't know but that in the end they might settle on an IP tax on the internet as a whole, and before long you would just find the cost attached to any internet service you use. That's how they dealt with cassette tapes.
Obviously he was not thinking clearly at the time he hanged himself. I find your line of discussion offensive though. Even if he were stark raving mad, that would only further aggravate the sense of the wrongdoing by Ortiz.
The worst I got is better than your best. This site and sites like it were instrumental in the SOPA protests. What is it you're side is up to that raises awareness?
Robbing New Zealand to make the Hobbit?
If you want to do some real good, point us all to a site designed for organizing protests. I do believe they are called for. Maybe one of the "Occupy" sites...
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Texas, our Texas
If we can't secede, we'll just pester you 'till you tell us to get out.
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If people are so unhappy, where is the activism? I tell you, a clever person would form a political party. They would form it not for the most extreme fringes of the existing parties, but for the broad middle.
The power that could come from ACTUALLY representing the people could be worth the trouble.
Mike? Anyone?
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Re: it's an abuse of the 5th amendment
The problem is NOT that people should have to be proven guilty before being packed off to jail. Ok? It takes too much work to do their jobs? Is that the excuse?
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Try This Sick Crap on for Size
"medical device company decided to bypass FDA clinical trials and use bone cement in the spines of humans. Given that the cement wasn't properly tested, it should come as no big surprise that a number of people died as a result."
"Despite the fact that HSBC admitted to laundering billions of dollars for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels (among others) and violating a host of important banking laws (from the Bank Secrecy Act to the Trading With the Enemy Act), Breuer and his Justice Department elected not to pursue criminal prosecutions of the bank, "
"Lay those two cases down beside that of a 26-year old kid who did the online equivalent of checking out too many books out of the library. For doing that, Aaron Swartz was initially charged with four felonies. The prosecutors in the Synthes case agreed to charge the executives only with one misdemeanor each. In the instance of HSBC, they used their discretion to avoid pursuing criminal charges altogether."
If you are defending the prosecution on the Swartz case.... at all..
Please just go away now.
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I was interested to see that some countries do not even HAVE plea bargaining. I think perhaps that is the correct route.
Did you know the US jails a larger percentage of its population than any other nation in the world that can be verified? Including China, Iran, Russia?
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2013/jan/14/hank-johnson/does-us-have-highes t-percentage-people-prison/
It's a pretty sick list to be on top of.
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Re: Re: Fuck DOJ
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Reasons
In the wake of the end of the Cold War though, we have been a nation without a rudder, and all the power we ginned up in order to face down the Soviet Union is slowly being turned inward against our own people, and diverted on the international front towards promoting our banking industry's interests at the expense of people who have no chance of defending themselves from our massive military.
No one wants to admit that the problem IS the USA. The shame is too much to swallow. A lot of it is pride. So they make excuses, like the lawyer you spoke to.
That's obviously just my opinion, but it's the sense I have after watching it happen over the last 30 years.
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Me Too
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Rambling
Kerr admits the laws need to be redone even as he tries to defend the prosecution, but in the end states the laws are too punitive. He knows it's wrong, but as a lawyer tries to make it look less bad than it is, even though someone is now dead who was obviously being bullied by a prosecution he admits went too far.
It is rambling nonsense. He is making a mockery of his own career here.
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I can't speak to the occurance of the Industrial Revolution as it pertains to patents, but what we have seen repeatedly is, again, the patents follow the innovations and not the other way around. Since the world was already ensconced in partial reserve banking practices by the time of the industrial revolution, it is unsurprising that patents follow innovation and only then is that innovation able to spread to the masses. Under our current monetary system, nothing can get done without the banks financing it.
This is the reason why patents are necessary. People can monetize innovation without any problem, but a bank cannot. The bank needs there to be some reason why people come to its borrowers for services.
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I've already explained what's bs about Kerr's take on this. Aaron did not bypass authorization. He was authorized to be on the network. He violated the terms of service.
It doesn't matter how many lawyers you line up on either side. Violating terms of service is not illegal, and if it were it would still be an evil law.
He can't address that, so he tries to make his lame argument look rational by posting various one sided links.
AND he likes to try to get people not to post here. He's a weird dude, man. No need to pay any attention to him.
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Oh Good Grief!
Goober.
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Re: Re: Re: My comment about this article over on the "Opposing Views" website
Having addressed that, the other issue I have with Lessig is he keeps reiterating Aaron did something illegal, which he did not. He violated a terms of service agreement. That's not illegal. It certainly is not listed in the various indictments against Aaron.
Excuses pile up while the government abuses citizens. It's not as if Aaron is the only one that has suffered under the current IP regime. I surely wish you had better priorities.
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Lol... Thanks for clearing the last of my doubts about your character. I kept having this nagging feeling you had a point because, truthfully, I do feel there need to be actual, street level protests.
But clearly that's not your concern at all!
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Your answer appears to be yes. It's not a particularly complimentary picture that that paints of your ability to discern one thing from another.
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Thanks for the response.
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The system as they envision it can withstand some low level siphoning. It is the wide open fire hydrant stuff they want tamped down.
I don't know but that in the end they might settle on an IP tax on the internet as a whole, and before long you would just find the cost attached to any internet service you use. That's how they dealt with cassette tapes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
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Re: Re: The Other Solution
The system as they envision it can withstand some low level siphoning. It is the wide open fire hydrant stuff they want tamped down.
I don't know but that in the end they might settle on an IP tax on the internet as a whole, and before long you would just find the cost attached to any internet service you use. That's how they dealt with cassette tapes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NOTHING wrong?
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Robbing New Zealand to make the Hobbit?
If you want to do some real good, point us all to a site designed for organizing protests. I do believe they are called for. Maybe one of the "Occupy" sites...
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