Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 23 Mar 2020 @ 8:20am
Vaccine vs cure markets
To some degree it may depend upon what the research labs are looking into. If it is a cure, the market life of the drug is probably shorter than the 20 year life of a patent. That is, a lot of 'cures' may be executed to take care of those that are currently infected or get infected before the spread trends down. After that there won't be much demand for the drug, unless a new outbreak takes place.
On the other hand, if it is a vaccine and we decide that it is something that should be a part of standard vaccination processes (like measles for example) forever, it would certainly have a longer market life than the patent, and eligible for generic production in the future.
Then there is the problem of migration. This is one disease and it appears to have possibly mutated from related diseases. If that is the case, we can certainly expect it to mutate again, and therefore need both new cures and new vaccines. Research done on this strain may or may not be applicable to research on new strains, but if information gathered now helps out in the future, then that information might give someone a leg up on the next problem, and offer that group the advantage when a new patent is appropriate.
Thing is, it is the particular molecules that deserve the patents, and those molecules might be very close in structure, but not delivery or manufacturing systems. While many will argue that delivery or manufacturing systems may be worthy of patent protection, they also create issues for getting to the next cure or vaccine, where delivery or manufacturing systems won't help anyone, but a new molecule will. As Mike points out, there a lots of labs doing research, but only one will win the patent race, and additional roadblocks would not benefit those infected, or those susceptible. Society needs to assert that the medical benefit is the priority, rather than profit.
I would also like to point out a fallacy in Massoff's thinking. There has been discussion of fast tracking anything beneficial through the FDA's approval process. Now, exactly what that means may have significant differences between rhetoric and execution, but it certainly sounds like a reduction in time between a patent filing and approval. I guess, that isn't enough incentive for Massoff.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Mar 2020 @ 6:50pm
It obfuscated to them
U.S. Constitution - Amendment 4
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Seem fairly clear to me, why isn't it to them? Is the First Circuit (and/or the Supreme Court) part and parcel of some greater agenda than following the operating instructions? If they are it is not for us, but for something they consider greater. Thing is though, they work for us, not something greater. Or do they?
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Mar 2020 @ 2:25pm
Re:
I was thinking of Toe-faced stenchweasels, but then I never gave my brothers enough credence when they described me, however accurate they might have been.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Mar 2020 @ 1:31pm
Re: Hes bored
What drugs are you one? I know someone who wants some. I know someone else who either has some or doesn't actually need them. He sits in the oval office...someplace.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Mar 2020 @ 8:10am
When opportunity knocks the tough get going
Bah! They're just trying to stimulate the wreckage we used to call an economy. We should be giving them kudos for their imaginative approach. Along with those who are exercising their patent rights to generate cash flow in these troubled times. In the finest tradition of capitalism.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 20 Mar 2020 @ 7:15am
Re:
Since you didn't link to your 'pummeling' it is hard to know what your 'pummeling' was actually about. Context matters. If your comment about corrupt government had nothing to do with the article in question then it could be viewed as deserved.
If you have been around here for any length of time then you should know that neither the article writers nor the commenter's are afraid to mention government corruption, and without regard for which party they are a part of. However, if you were ranting about government corruption on an article that had nothing to do with the government, well, learn to pick the articles where your rant will be appropriate, and then make sure it is relevant to that article rather than just an out of place screed.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 19 Mar 2020 @ 4:26pm
Re: Re: Re:
"...and you can almost guarantee that if BioFire "accepts" the deal that would be used against them, as "evidence" that they admit the patents are valid, since they agreed to a "license" for one product. It's sham deal."
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 19 Mar 2020 @ 10:42am
Patent invalidation
I am hoping that BioFire has the wherewithal to go after having the patent invalidated. If the don't have it in hand then that some white knight helps them out. Maybe a go fund me or something.
Which raises a question, how many patent invalidation's would it take to have some court tell the patent office they are doing it wrong and to start over on all currently valid patents?
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 5:45pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Medical Patent SOPA Moment
Exactly, test as many as you can and then segregate those that test positive. Getting those that HAVE the virus into quarantine is what will stop the spread.
This social distancing is a bit of overkill as it isn't everyone that needs to be segregated, though with the exception of the possibly very serious economic harm social distancing will cause, it isn't necessarily bad.
The testing priorities should be those that have symptoms, those that have been near those with symptoms, and most definitely those that have been near anyone that has contracted Covid-19 (and maybe isolated), whether they have symptoms or not, need to be tested (and maybe repeatedly) and then, if necessary, isolated. Then testing some beyond those mentioned above, especially people over 60, and people that have a lot of contact with others.
That calls for a lot of testing, and for the US probably more like 400 million test kits than anything less. We don't have them and nothing I have read is telling me about our ability to get them soon. Then, there are a few billion other people that need them as well.
Let's see. nineteen members, with the bulk of them demonstrably pro passage and only (according to EPIC four who might be opposed, depending on whether their selection is done responsibly or not) seems to be a bit unbalanced. Since the purpose of government is to represent the people, letting a commission that is biased in favor of the government (who want more power, absolutely) rather than the people they work for is terribly inappropriate. But then they want cover for when they try to force this bill down our throats...the Commission said it was OK! The Commission said 'best practice' is to turn all your conversations over to our 'very nice' and 'on your side' law enforcement community, for your 'safety' and to 'protect the children' (who we won't do anything else to protect, as demonstrated by our own behavior from before FOSTA was enacted and since).
It is a wonder what the Electronic Privacy Information Center thinks they will win with this bill. I mean really, I wonder what do they think they will win?
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 7:03am
Re: Re: Re:
Nice try asshat, but high rents were a problem long before AirBnB was a twinkle in anyone's minds eye. What else have you got, well that makes any sense that is?
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 17 Mar 2020 @ 6:51am
User priorities in 91 days (or whatever)
The thing is, if low paid workers have a hard time paying their broadband/cable bills over the next 90 days due to their lack of/under employment in their service industry job, what is going to be more important to them in 91 days (or whatever)? Rent, food, clothing, medical supplies or broadband/cable bill?
We will see when these magnanimous giants do or don't report them to collection agencies, after they are in fact kicked off on day 92 (or whatever) for their lack of payment. While I can see where Internet connectivity is important, especially when we are asking everyone to be physically isolated from everyone else (with good reason) it isn't more important than food, clothing, and shelter.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 16 Mar 2020 @ 8:33am
Re: Re: DSL
It's a cost/benefit (to them) thing. While they might figure a way to improve margins with fiber, they can't get past the cost of installation and what that might do to the bottom line with regard to recovering that cost. That, however, goes completely flat when one thinks in terms of buying entertainment companies, a different debt they are having trouble recovering from.
It appears that in their original thinking prior to those decisions they thought one would give a better ROI than the other. Yet another example of short term ideology of the investor influenced company that views quarterly results rather than decade long results as the pinnacle of investment strategy.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 14 Mar 2020 @ 9:30am
Re: I have kind of a different question...
As soon as the MBA's in charge of the ROI for the server (ATM money machine) determine there is a production improvement with a different algorithm (money receiver). Or, EOL as determined by nature.
Anonymous Anonymous Coward (profile), 13 Mar 2020 @ 7:57am
Re: Re: AT&T has waived overage fees
If I was going to use a split tunnel VPN setup, there would be two VPN's. One for internal or Intranet traffic and the other for Internet traffic. If the purpose of VPN's is to protect the user, why would one not protect users on the Internet?
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Vaccine vs cure markets
To some degree it may depend upon what the research labs are looking into. If it is a cure, the market life of the drug is probably shorter than the 20 year life of a patent. That is, a lot of 'cures' may be executed to take care of those that are currently infected or get infected before the spread trends down. After that there won't be much demand for the drug, unless a new outbreak takes place.
On the other hand, if it is a vaccine and we decide that it is something that should be a part of standard vaccination processes (like measles for example) forever, it would certainly have a longer market life than the patent, and eligible for generic production in the future.
Then there is the problem of migration. This is one disease and it appears to have possibly mutated from related diseases. If that is the case, we can certainly expect it to mutate again, and therefore need both new cures and new vaccines. Research done on this strain may or may not be applicable to research on new strains, but if information gathered now helps out in the future, then that information might give someone a leg up on the next problem, and offer that group the advantage when a new patent is appropriate.
Thing is, it is the particular molecules that deserve the patents, and those molecules might be very close in structure, but not delivery or manufacturing systems. While many will argue that delivery or manufacturing systems may be worthy of patent protection, they also create issues for getting to the next cure or vaccine, where delivery or manufacturing systems won't help anyone, but a new molecule will. As Mike points out, there a lots of labs doing research, but only one will win the patent race, and additional roadblocks would not benefit those infected, or those susceptible. Society needs to assert that the medical benefit is the priority, rather than profit.
I would also like to point out a fallacy in Massoff's thinking. There has been discussion of fast tracking anything beneficial through the FDA's approval process. Now, exactly what that means may have significant differences between rhetoric and execution, but it certainly sounds like a reduction in time between a patent filing and approval. I guess, that isn't enough incentive for Massoff.
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It obfuscated to them
Seem fairly clear to me, why isn't it to them? Is the First Circuit (and/or the Supreme Court) part and parcel of some greater agenda than following the operating instructions? If they are it is not for us, but for something they consider greater. Thing is though, they work for us, not something greater. Or do they?
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Re:
I was thinking of Toe-faced stenchweasels, but then I never gave my brothers enough credence when they described me, however accurate they might have been.
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Re:
I am wondering if it would be inappropriate to nominate oneself to a particular list, whether that is an accurate assessment or not?
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Re: Hes bored
What drugs are you one? I know someone who wants some. I know someone else who either has some or doesn't actually need them. He sits in the oval office...someplace.
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When opportunity knocks the tough get going
Bah! They're just trying to stimulate the wreckage we used to call an economy. We should be giving them kudos for their imaginative approach. Along with those who are exercising their patent rights to generate cash flow in these troubled times. In the finest tradition of capitalism.
/s
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Focus, your not fulfilling my priorities
Tom Rutledge makes it clear that his number one priority is Tom Rutledge's pockets in yet another slimy way.
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Re:
Since you didn't link to your 'pummeling' it is hard to know what your 'pummeling' was actually about. Context matters. If your comment about corrupt government had nothing to do with the article in question then it could be viewed as deserved.
If you have been around here for any length of time then you should know that neither the article writers nor the commenter's are afraid to mention government corruption, and without regard for which party they are a part of. However, if you were ranting about government corruption on an article that had nothing to do with the government, well, learn to pick the articles where your rant will be appropriate, and then make sure it is relevant to that article rather than just an out of place screed.
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Re: Re: Re:
I don't see that as conjecture, I see that as analysis. Spot on analysis. Something also noted by a commentor in an earlier Techdirt piece.
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Patent invalidation
I am hoping that BioFire has the wherewithal to go after having the patent invalidated. If the don't have it in hand then that some white knight helps them out. Maybe a go fund me or something.
Which raises a question, how many patent invalidation's would it take to have some court tell the patent office they are doing it wrong and to start over on all currently valid patents?
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Re:
Are you as amazed when all that conjecture is proved right?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Medical Patent SOPA Moment
The WHO seems to disagree with you.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Medical Patent SOPA Moment
Exactly, test as many as you can and then segregate those that test positive. Getting those that HAVE the virus into quarantine is what will stop the spread.
This social distancing is a bit of overkill as it isn't everyone that needs to be segregated, though with the exception of the possibly very serious economic harm social distancing will cause, it isn't necessarily bad.
The testing priorities should be those that have symptoms, those that have been near those with symptoms, and most definitely those that have been near anyone that has contracted Covid-19 (and maybe isolated), whether they have symptoms or not, need to be tested (and maybe repeatedly) and then, if necessary, isolated. Then testing some beyond those mentioned above, especially people over 60, and people that have a lot of contact with others.
That calls for a lot of testing, and for the US probably more like 400 million test kits than anything less. We don't have them and nothing I have read is telling me about our ability to get them soon. Then, there are a few billion other people that need them as well.
On the post: EPIC Offers Its Support Of The EARN IT Act; Thinks It Can Separate Undermining Section 230 From Undermining Encryption
That commission you place so much value on
Let's see. nineteen members, with the bulk of them demonstrably pro passage and only (according to EPIC four who might be opposed, depending on whether their selection is done responsibly or not) seems to be a bit unbalanced. Since the purpose of government is to represent the people, letting a commission that is biased in favor of the government (who want more power, absolutely) rather than the people they work for is terribly inappropriate. But then they want cover for when they try to force this bill down our throats...the Commission said it was OK! The Commission said 'best practice' is to turn all your conversations over to our 'very nice' and 'on your side' law enforcement community, for your 'safety' and to 'protect the children' (who we won't do anything else to protect, as demonstrated by our own behavior from before FOSTA was enacted and since).
It is a wonder what the Electronic Privacy Information Center thinks they will win with this bill. I mean really, I wonder what do they think they will win?
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Re: Re: Re:
Nice try asshat, but high rents were a problem long before AirBnB was a twinkle in anyone's minds eye. What else have you got, well that makes any sense that is?
On the post: US ISPs Drop Usage Caps, Pledge To Avoid Kicking Users Offline During Coronavirus
User priorities in 91 days (or whatever)
The thing is, if low paid workers have a hard time paying their broadband/cable bills over the next 90 days due to their lack of/under employment in their service industry job, what is going to be more important to them in 91 days (or whatever)? Rent, food, clothing, medical supplies or broadband/cable bill?
We will see when these magnanimous giants do or don't report them to collection agencies, after they are in fact kicked off on day 92 (or whatever) for their lack of payment. While I can see where Internet connectivity is important, especially when we are asking everyone to be physically isolated from everyone else (with good reason) it isn't more important than food, clothing, and shelter.
On the post: Comcast's Broadband Market Domination Continues To Grow
Re: Re: DSL
It's a cost/benefit (to them) thing. While they might figure a way to improve margins with fiber, they can't get past the cost of installation and what that might do to the bottom line with regard to recovering that cost. That, however, goes completely flat when one thinks in terms of buying entertainment companies, a different debt they are having trouble recovering from.
It appears that in their original thinking prior to those decisions they thought one would give a better ROI than the other. Yet another example of short term ideology of the investor influenced company that views quarterly results rather than decade long results as the pinnacle of investment strategy.
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Re: I have kind of a different question...
As soon as the MBA's in charge of the ROI for the server (ATM money machine) determine there is a production improvement with a different algorithm (money receiver). Or, EOL as determined by nature.
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Re: Sign me up!
I can't wait to see the condition of that waffle after it's trip through the network wiring, or would it be better over WiFi?
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Re: Re: AT&T has waived overage fees
If I was going to use a split tunnel VPN setup, there would be two VPN's. One for internal or Intranet traffic and the other for Internet traffic. If the purpose of VPN's is to protect the user, why would one not protect users on the Internet?
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