Different tools should have different key bindings and dialogs. The marquee selection tool shouldn’t (and doesn’t need to) share settings with the paintbrush tool.
This is a quote from you a few comments up in this particular discussion: “Basic first step is to follow the copyright's default behaviour, i.e. forbid all copying.” You’re expressing the idea that any and all copying, regardless of context, is always copyright infringement.
You’ve admitted that you built Meshpage on the backs of works that came before your own—at a minimum, we’re talking about other 3D modeling programs, operating systems such as Windows, and the programming languages that run them both. That you would’ve copied something from any of those works, even accidentally, is an inevitability. Both the licensing of such prior works and the context of your having copied from those works is ultimately irrelevant to the “all copying is infringement” logic you expressed earlier in this discussion.
Based on your admissions and the logic you’ve presented, I must ask the question again because you have refused to provide a direct answer. Yes or no: Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented, if you’ve copied even one small part of someone else’s prior work regardless of the context of that copying, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
The licensing status of the prior work is irrelevant. You’re still building upon prior work. Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented, if you’ve copied even one small part of someone else’s prior work regardless of the context of that copying, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
There’s a good story about that uniquely conservative way of thinking. (I give a tip of the hat to The Weekly Sift for this one.)
Cato the Elder, speaking in 195 BCE in favor of an anti-luxury law the women of Rome wanted to see repealed (because it specifically targeted women’s jewelry), warned against allowing women to have a voice in government:
The moment they begin to be your equals, they will be your superiors.
We still hear that point today from every overprivileged class, directed at every underprivileged class. Whether the subject is women, people of color, non-Christians, gays and lesbians, non-English speakers, transfolk, or what have you, the message is the same: There is no such thing as equality. If the overprivileged class stops being the masters, they’ll become the slaves.
Despite Cato’s efforts, the law was repealed. Rome never became a matriarchy, though. In more than two millennia of testing, the “they’ll take over” theory has never been proven.
You may think that because men have had the upper hand and "male privilege" for centuries that it's now a measure of justice to treat men with less respect than women.
Not justice, but revenge—and well-deserved, at that.
In your mind, it might be well-deserved payback -- just as the the justice system punishes wrongdoers.
The justice system punishes anyone found guilty within that system. As numerous wrongful convictions being overturned have shown us, not everyone deserved the punishment they received.
you might think that instead of adopting the "two wrongs making a right" approach, the proper avenue is to try to battle against sexism in all forms. Instead of trying to compensate for these past injustices by discriminating against men, just try not discriminating against either gender.
That would be the ideal method, yes. But we live in a far-from-ideal world; get used to it.
I just have a hard time feeling that certain people should be punished for the sins of their ancestors.
Who here is asking for all men currently living to be punished for the sins of all the misogynistic dickbags who died before them? It ain’t any of us around here, not that I can see. It ain’t a hell of a lot of people, men or women, for that matter.
I’m guessing that your real problem is that you think of misogyny/“misandry” in the same way a lot of racist white people think of racism: In calling out misogyny/racism and trying to prevent it, those who do that are “keeping it alive” and making things worse, so we’d all be better off if we pretended those societal evils “died” at some arbitrary point.
The thing is, the people who benefit from the privileges of patriarchy and white supremacy—even if only passively—are the ones who stand to regain that privilege if we ignore those evils. If no one calls those evils out for fear of being labeled a “misandrist”/“reverse racist” (or worse), they will continue to propagate. Social and legal consequences for heinous behavior are the only way to reinforce the idea that said behavior isn’t welcome in society. That isn’t “unjust” and it isn’t “discriminatory”—it’s levelling a playing field that has been uneven for centuries, if not millennia.
I would not hazard a guess as to why society is so accepting of misandry
Have you ever heard of the concept of “punching up”?
For people who feel that perhaps men deserve some mistreatment
Men don’t deserve “mistreatment” only for being men. But if you think the mockery of entitled men, the push to nullify male privilege in society, and anything else you feel is “misandry” is some grand great evil that needs to be combatted as much as misogyny, you should first come to grips with a documented historical fact: Since the dawn of civilization, men have never been oppressed by women. Then again, when you’re used to privilege, equality can sure as hell feel like oppression.
You built your program on the backs of what came before you—not just in 3D modeling programs, but in computing in general. You had to copy at least some portion of that prior work, even if by accident. Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented, if you’ve copied even one small part of someone else’s prior work regardless of the context of that copying, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
there is a lot of public misandry to go around these days and it's generally downplayed and excused in a way that similar hate against women never would
Except that “similar hate” has been downplayed and excused for literally centuries before the here and now. If some men can’t deal with their toxic brand of masculinity finally being called out for what it is—misogyny, sexism, and maybe even a little homophobia mixed in for good measure—that’s their problem.
Also: You’re not doing yourself any favors if a woman says “all men are jerks” and your first instinct is to say “not all men”…
blaming men for the hate they get
…because, as I’ve said before, toxic masculinity is the problem. Any man who is truly secure about his masculinity can hear a woman say “all men are jerks” and not be reflexively defensive about it.
Photoshop has been “allowing” people to infringe copyrights since the ’90s. Adobe hasn’t been destroyed because of that. Why don’t you get to work on doing that, champ? It’d be a better use of your time than continuing to make Meshpage, that’s for damn sure.
Have the developers of programs such as Photoshop, Blender, Notepad++, and the web browser you’re using to view this site intentionally sabotaged those programs in a way that limits their core functionality (e.g., image editing, 3D modelling, text editing, browsing/interacting with the Internet) for the sake of preserving copyright? Remember: The functionality must provably be sabotaged (or removed) only for the sake of preventing copyright infringement to count as a proper example.
Irrelevant (and inflammatory). My One Simple Question to you remains unanswered: Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented here, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
Every blender feature has different user interface and key bindings.
When two or more functions within the same program need to stand out from one another, their UIs looking different and requiring more than a single keyboard shortcut tends to happen, yes. Or do you think the marquee select tool in Photoshop should have the exact same settings UI as the paintbrush tool?
In defending the school’s response, you’re implying that you thought such violence was likely.
my biggest concern is the school, in doing nothing at all, winds up in court
That says more about your priorities than you think. None of it is good.
my focus is on the most likely method to keep everyone out of court
And yet, you defend the school doing the one thing that was most likely to end with at least one person—the victim of the bullying—in a court of some kind.
Everyone wants to treat bullies with kid gloves. Nobody wants to do anything.
We treat children with kid gloves because, for all their awful actions, they’re still children. They deserve a chance to grow into a better person, not be taught that they’re either entitled to get out of trouble or will get in trouble if they stand up for themselves.
Options between “do nothing” and “call the cops” exist for dealing with bullying situations. That you see those as the only viable options for dealing with bullies (or their victims) is your problem. For fuck’s sake, are you really so adamant about being “tough on crime” that you think we need to be tough on kids as young as (or younger than) 10 years old—that the school-to-prison pipeline is a good idea?
We have qualified immunity for police! Why not for reporting bullies.
Two things.
Qualified immunity for the police is both a bullshit legal doctrine and not an argument you want to use on this specific issue.
Who should a school be reporting bullies to—the police?
I get angry because people ignore the legal realities.
“I’m not angry about the school calling the cops to have a victim of bullying being handcuffed—I’m angry that the school didn’t do it sooner to cover their asses!” That’s you. That’s you right now.
there’s no safe way for the victims to report anything
Except there is: telling administrators. But you’re so quick to jump to the same conclusion as this school—“we need to call the cops so we can cover all the necessary asses”—that you see the easy route of dealing with a thorny issue such as bullying as the only viable solution. (Other than the victim inflicting violence on their bully, which only creates more problems.)
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No, if that happens, something is working: partisan gerrymandering.
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No, I didn’t, and I’ll thank you to stop shoving words down my throat that didn’t first come from it, you son of a bitch.
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Different tools should have different key bindings and dialogs. The marquee selection tool shouldn’t (and doesn’t need to) share settings with the paintbrush tool.
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This is a quote from you a few comments up in this particular discussion: “Basic first step is to follow the copyright's default behaviour, i.e. forbid all copying.” You’re expressing the idea that any and all copying, regardless of context, is always copyright infringement.
You’ve admitted that you built Meshpage on the backs of works that came before your own—at a minimum, we’re talking about other 3D modeling programs, operating systems such as Windows, and the programming languages that run them both. That you would’ve copied something from any of those works, even accidentally, is an inevitability. Both the licensing of such prior works and the context of your having copied from those works is ultimately irrelevant to the “all copying is infringement” logic you expressed earlier in this discussion.
Based on your admissions and the logic you’ve presented, I must ask the question again because you have refused to provide a direct answer. Yes or no: Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented, if you’ve copied even one small part of someone else’s prior work regardless of the context of that copying, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
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The licensing status of the prior work is irrelevant. You’re still building upon prior work. Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented, if you’ve copied even one small part of someone else’s prior work regardless of the context of that copying, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
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There’s a good story about that uniquely conservative way of thinking. (I give a tip of the hat to The Weekly Sift for this one.)
Cato the Elder, speaking in 195 BCE in favor of an anti-luxury law the women of Rome wanted to see repealed (because it specifically targeted women’s jewelry), warned against allowing women to have a voice in government:
We still hear that point today from every overprivileged class, directed at every underprivileged class. Whether the subject is women, people of color, non-Christians, gays and lesbians, non-English speakers, transfolk, or what have you, the message is the same: There is no such thing as equality. If the overprivileged class stops being the masters, they’ll become the slaves.
Despite Cato’s efforts, the law was repealed. Rome never became a matriarchy, though. In more than two millennia of testing, the “they’ll take over” theory has never been proven.
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Not justice, but revenge—and well-deserved, at that.
The justice system punishes anyone found guilty within that system. As numerous wrongful convictions being overturned have shown us, not everyone deserved the punishment they received.
That would be the ideal method, yes. But we live in a far-from-ideal world; get used to it.
Who here is asking for all men currently living to be punished for the sins of all the misogynistic dickbags who died before them? It ain’t any of us around here, not that I can see. It ain’t a hell of a lot of people, men or women, for that matter.
I’m guessing that your real problem is that you think of misogyny/“misandry” in the same way a lot of racist white people think of racism: In calling out misogyny/racism and trying to prevent it, those who do that are “keeping it alive” and making things worse, so we’d all be better off if we pretended those societal evils “died” at some arbitrary point.
The thing is, the people who benefit from the privileges of patriarchy and white supremacy—even if only passively—are the ones who stand to regain that privilege if we ignore those evils. If no one calls those evils out for fear of being labeled a “misandrist”/“reverse racist” (or worse), they will continue to propagate. Social and legal consequences for heinous behavior are the only way to reinforce the idea that said behavior isn’t welcome in society. That isn’t “unjust” and it isn’t “discriminatory”—it’s levelling a playing field that has been uneven for centuries, if not millennia.
Have you ever heard of the concept of “punching up”?
Men don’t deserve “mistreatment” only for being men. But if you think the mockery of entitled men, the push to nullify male privilege in society, and anything else you feel is “misandry” is some grand great evil that needs to be combatted as much as misogyny, you should first come to grips with a documented historical fact: Since the dawn of civilization, men have never been oppressed by women. Then again, when you’re used to privilege, equality can sure as hell feel like oppression.
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You built your program on the backs of what came before you—not just in 3D modeling programs, but in computing in general. You had to copy at least some portion of that prior work, even if by accident. Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented, if you’ve copied even one small part of someone else’s prior work regardless of the context of that copying, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
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That’s an insult to weasels and pigeons. At least they’re an important part of their ecosystems.
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Except that “similar hate” has been downplayed and excused for literally centuries before the here and now. If some men can’t deal with their toxic brand of masculinity finally being called out for what it is—misogyny, sexism, and maybe even a little homophobia mixed in for good measure—that’s their problem.
Also: You’re not doing yourself any favors if a woman says “all men are jerks” and your first instinct is to say “not all men”…
…because, as I’ve said before, toxic masculinity is the problem. Any man who is truly secure about his masculinity can hear a woman say “all men are jerks” and not be reflexively defensive about it.
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Greed, lack of sufficient civilian oversight, and the ridiculous “tough on crime” mentality that has led to cops putting schoolchildren in handcuffs.
You can’t trust government agencies—not completely, anyway.
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Ask a capitalist what they hate about socialism and they’ll end up describing capitalism instead.
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Photoshop has been “allowing” people to infringe copyrights since the ’90s. Adobe hasn’t been destroyed because of that. Why don’t you get to work on doing that, champ? It’d be a better use of your time than continuing to make Meshpage, that’s for damn sure.
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Have the developers of programs such as Photoshop, Blender, Notepad++, and the web browser you’re using to view this site intentionally sabotaged those programs in a way that limits their core functionality (e.g., image editing, 3D modelling, text editing, browsing/interacting with the Internet) for the sake of preserving copyright? Remember: The functionality must provably be sabotaged (or removed) only for the sake of preventing copyright infringement to count as a proper example.
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Irrelevant (and inflammatory). My One Simple Question to you remains unanswered: Under the “all copying is infringement” logic you’ve presented here, are you guilty of copyright infringement?
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When two or more functions within the same program need to stand out from one another, their UIs looking different and requiring more than a single keyboard shortcut tends to happen, yes. Or do you think the marquee select tool in Photoshop should have the exact same settings UI as the paintbrush tool?
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I’m allowed to interpret what you’ve said however I wish. Don’t like it? Sue me.
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In defending the school’s response, you’re implying that you thought such violence was likely.
That says more about your priorities than you think. None of it is good.
And yet, you defend the school doing the one thing that was most likely to end with at least one person—the victim of the bullying—in a court of some kind.
We treat children with kid gloves because, for all their awful actions, they’re still children. They deserve a chance to grow into a better person, not be taught that they’re either entitled to get out of trouble or will get in trouble if they stand up for themselves.
Options between “do nothing” and “call the cops” exist for dealing with bullying situations. That you see those as the only viable options for dealing with bullies (or their victims) is your problem. For fuck’s sake, are you really so adamant about being “tough on crime” that you think we need to be tough on kids as young as (or younger than) 10 years old—that the school-to-prison pipeline is a good idea?
Two things.
Qualified immunity for the police is both a bullshit legal doctrine and not an argument you want to use on this specific issue.
“I’m not angry about the school calling the cops to have a victim of bullying being handcuffed—I’m angry that the school didn’t do it sooner to cover their asses!” That’s you. That’s you right now.
Except there is: telling administrators. But you’re so quick to jump to the same conclusion as this school—“we need to call the cops so we can cover all the necessary asses”—that you see the easy route of dealing with a thorny issue such as bullying as the only viable solution. (Other than the victim inflicting violence on their bully, which only creates more problems.)
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Was there any indication whatsoever that the school handling this in any way besides calling the cops would’ve resulted in a lawsuit?
If not, the school took the coward’s way out of dealing with an admittedly tough situation—and you’re defending that cowardice.
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Uh…all of them, I think.
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