The Morning Post said it had seen documents but was unable to verify allegations of U.S. hacking of networks in Hong Kong and mainland China since 2009. Snowden told the paper that some of the targets included the Chinese University of Hong Kong, public officials and students. The documents also point to hacking activity by the NSA against mainland targets," the newspaper reported.
Key words required for an actual comprehension "The documents also".
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I appreciate your clarification, thanks. Though I must disagree with your narrow scoping of anti-privacy apologists. They're inclusive, clearly, however the more damaging membership are citizens and law makers. Corporations will do anything for money and governments will do anything for more control.
Personally, I'm of the mind that if we could overcome resistance to a digital bill of rights and craft one that effectively makes the leap from pre-digital texts we take a crucial step towards securing our digital privacy on all fronts (save the NSA). Corporate collections do indeed require some limiting.
Where I think current realizations, revelations and discussions are going astray is that these "corporate records" data do not comprise the totality of NSA data hay. Not by a long shot.(*)
I do also believe that the most critical aspect of all of this is that our foreign policy (the combined overt and covert) is *the* most egregious player in this over-acted drama. Money and control are, after all, very close associates.
(*) It's not classified if I'm just guessing. Go away.
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Because telecom buys your banking buys your service provider buys your ... forfeiture of rights?
I see what your arguments are but I don't think you grasp how foreign signals intelligence has made the leap to domestic signals, records, history and location, past, present and predicted. Conflating this country's constitution with, relatively speaking, business intelligence is confounding at best and willfully ignorant at worst.
Stop pretending what Google has is what the NSA has. It's not the same thing so stop comparing it as if it were.
We have restricted travel (if not restricted then heavily intimidating - I'm just not sure what the difference is).
We have cops heavily armed enforcing non-violent crimes.
We have "looks of contempt" as authorization to beat down children holding puppies.
We have "stop resisting" as an excuse to deliver death.
We have criminal enforcement of capture the video capture.
We have PMIC (prison and military industrial complexes) completely off the ranch.
We have aggressive attempts to "free up" six months or more worth of data collections for the same data mining "privileges" that the NSA now has to be used to investigate infringement and other "it's for the xxxx" crimes.
We, apparently, now have complete city lock down authorization for a guy with a gun on the run.
We have a two(one)-party system that, seemingly, can weather any challenge.
We have a secret court and secret law interpretations.
We have bankers with an all but completely free pass to risk all of our well being. (over and over again)
We have the people's representatives, some of them far, far to comfortable where they are, completely and irrefutably selling out the rights, liberties, security and stability of hundreds of millions of people in our, what was once a model, society.
We have no hemp production (boggles the mind).
And now we have you, anti-privacy apologists.
Terrorism both starts and ends at home. Only this time, it looks like the ends is justifying the means and giving an entirely new meaning to "freedom fighters".
If you have nothing to hide you're wasting your lives.
It will show activity, if there was any. Will it not? Leading to an exploratory on that activity leading to possible verification that the defendant communicated with or did not communicate with any included contacts where said records correlate times, places and, possibly, individuals.
Well, yeah, naturally we've authorized ourselves to investigate the world for everything. Surveillance helps us do that. Everything is, after all, rather tangible and very, very relevant to everything.
... (thinks: "Damn, and I could've just taken that gig putting kids in jail for profit."...
Does anyone have idea how much a pool of data (or even the knowledge of one) that vast is worth? ("hey buddy, we can track and block IP's and cell phones all. day. long. I can keep pushing this for you" .. "Yeah? Hows a million and a half sound to come work for us?"
No. Wait. China is Snowden and Snowden is AI and now Snowden is the NSA IN China! Snowden is going to take over the world! Eesh, he already has. I need milk. Pinky!?
Well, it seems the airports and NY city have been trying to give some people a taste. Along with a few extra anti-camera cops. That's a lot closer to a taste of a police state than a taste of that ice-cream cone you dropped on the road before you even got a lick.
^^ .. and at the point that ones' claim to the fruits of their labors prevents further creativity, to an unreasonable degree (which probably means it's not exactly your labors) then all of the public can choose to plant a seed borne of your labor, and you, much to your dismay, must do the same. Thus more fruit.
It's just been allowed to get the point of causing an egregious stagnation on furthering the human experience.
Add the NSA thing and now we have a public that is conscience and will, undoubtedly, begin to show signs of restraint when their lack of privacy, as benign as they'd have you believe the programs are, begin to invade the conscience. Or not.. we'll see I guess.
There is a decidedly odd commonality between the collections of our data and the hopes and aspirations of an abusive copyright lobby.
Sadly, it would seem that a frighteningly large number of Americans have absolutely no idea what he could possibly be saying. None. Completely clueless.
The minority will, once again, have to carry these guys home.
And what the hell is up with that retro-active shit for unconstitutional law? It's bloody time for that crap to come home to roost. and to roast.
wow, I only wish I could just be pissed off at copyright buttmunchers but noooo bitchasses have to threaten to the very core the existence of a free country.
TSA! TSA! Ya'll are choking on keeping your republic, yes, myself included.
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Key words required for an actual comprehension "The documents also".
Bit of a pissant you are.
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Personally, I'm of the mind that if we could overcome resistance to a digital bill of rights and craft one that effectively makes the leap from pre-digital texts we take a crucial step towards securing our digital privacy on all fronts (save the NSA). Corporate collections do indeed require some limiting.
Where I think current realizations, revelations and discussions are going astray is that these "corporate records" data do not comprise the totality of NSA data hay. Not by a long shot.(*)
I do also believe that the most critical aspect of all of this is that our foreign policy (the combined overt and covert) is *the* most egregious player in this over-acted drama. Money and control are, after all, very close associates.
(*) It's not classified if I'm just guessing. Go away.
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We can order the killing of citizens.
We can order targeting of a sovereign country's citizens via unmanned death machines regardless of civilian casualties.
I'm sure I've missed other obvious things but "authorization to deliver death in someone else's country" seemed rather important.
Attempts to arrest the Bin Ladens I get. Special missile deliveries not so much. We're wreaking fucking havoc on the world via IP, Oil and terrorism.
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I see what your arguments are but I don't think you grasp how foreign signals intelligence has made the leap to domestic signals, records, history and location, past, present and predicted. Conflating this country's constitution with, relatively speaking, business intelligence is confounding at best and willfully ignorant at worst.
Stop pretending what Google has is what the NSA has. It's not the same thing so stop comparing it as if it were.
We have restricted travel (if not restricted then heavily intimidating - I'm just not sure what the difference is).
We have cops heavily armed enforcing non-violent crimes.
We have "looks of contempt" as authorization to beat down children holding puppies.
We have "stop resisting" as an excuse to deliver death.
We have criminal enforcement of capture the video capture.
We have PMIC (prison and military industrial complexes) completely off the ranch.
We have aggressive attempts to "free up" six months or more worth of data collections for the same data mining "privileges" that the NSA now has to be used to investigate infringement and other "it's for the xxxx" crimes.
We, apparently, now have complete city lock down authorization for a guy with a gun on the run.
We have a two(one)-party system that, seemingly, can weather any challenge.
We have a secret court and secret law interpretations.
We have bankers with an all but completely free pass to risk all of our well being. (over and over again)
We have the people's representatives, some of them far, far to comfortable where they are, completely and irrefutably selling out the rights, liberties, security and stability of hundreds of millions of people in our, what was once a model, society.
We have no hemp production (boggles the mind).
And now we have you, anti-privacy apologists.
Terrorism both starts and ends at home. Only this time, it looks like the ends is justifying the means and giving an entirely new meaning to "freedom fighters".
If you have nothing to hide you're wasting your lives.
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Collins: Good, I hope we can put that issue to bed then.
...
Well, gosh, I feel better. Finally some straight up honesty.
Wait.
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... (thinks: "Damn, and I could've just taken that gig putting kids in jail for profit."...
"Approved."
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Does anyone have idea how much a pool of data (or even the knowledge of one) that vast is worth? ("hey buddy, we can track and block IP's and cell phones all. day. long. I can keep pushing this for you" .. "Yeah? Hows a million and a half sound to come work for us?"
Step 6. Close the revolving doors
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It's just been allowed to get the point of causing an egregious stagnation on furthering the human experience.
Add the NSA thing and now we have a public that is conscience and will, undoubtedly, begin to show signs of restraint when their lack of privacy, as benign as they'd have you believe the programs are, begin to invade the conscience. Or not.. we'll see I guess.
There is a decidedly odd commonality between the collections of our data and the hopes and aspirations of an abusive copyright lobby.
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Douche.
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The minority will, once again, have to carry these guys home.
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wow, I only wish I could just be pissed off at copyright buttmunchers but noooo bitchasses have to threaten to the very core the existence of a free country.
TSA! TSA! Ya'll are choking on keeping your republic, yes, myself included.
Damn it.
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