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I know this is way late but hope you see it anyway. The comment was pointed sarcasm. the point I was trying to make was "Its just another reason NOT to complete the first sale."
In other words iF you are going to buy art wait until after they are long dead (If at all). If the sales stop maybe they will learn the ridiculousness of what they are asking for.
Troll much??
Lets get real for an instant. I think Mike knows what the issue is here. But lets face it, the guy is dead. I dont think anyone really thinks ol Marlon personally endorsed, designed, built, or owned this couch. As for his estate... who gives a crap. They didnt act. They didnt make him famous. They didnt design, build, or own the couch. So why should they get money for it? why should they get money for their dead relative? What are they going to do bury him again???
Get a job
If second, third, and fourth sale royalties are what they want
If thats what they want, go ahead and let them have it. For any of that to work then they would need a signed contract with the buyer to make it possible. If anyone is dumb enough to go along with it thats their problem. Its just another reason NOT to complete the first sale. People will just wait for "funeral sale" prices. After all most "artists" dont become famous until AFTER they die.
Wait, there is a new business!! An art gallery at the funeral home. While people are grieving, they might be more willing to pay higher prices.
But that was(is) his goal to create the fear of Muslims taking over Europe. Look up "Knights Templar 2083". Thats the video he supposedly made, with pictures of himself in it, that shows how he wants to start a religious war against them. So he killed those kids to bring attention to it and to hopefully get the war started (IMHO). Thats the same thing that happened on 9/1., Terrorism!
I told you I agreed with you in theory. It were just those two points. Maybe I just didnt understand what you were saying.
My position is that the evidence was probably out there. The manifesto or parts of it, his video, and his postings on radical sites. Instead of hiring people to monitor everyone, they should concentrate their efforts on the radicals and their sites. all radicals!! Thats what we need the Gov. to do, and thats what they should be doing.
No, your right, extra surveillance of the general public wouldn't fix this. But more specific surveillance of radical groups may help. Idiots like these tend to hang in groups. That way they can share their twisted ideals with people of the same mindset. Those are the ones who need to be watched. This guy was quoting some American radicals in his manifesto. Thats where are tax money should be going. Not so that a bunch of perverts can molest every airplane passenger in line. Radical Left radical, Right, radical Black radical, White, radical Christian, radical Muslim, all radicals should be monitored. They arent hard to find. Just tell them what they want to hear and they will invite you in. The only problem is that here in the US, we have radicals in gov. who want to monitor everyone. Thats what need to be stopped.
Exactly, you cant stop every attack. You made my point that the general population could not police it themselves because they didnt know, didnt want to know , or didnt want to tell. Where we differ is that I'm saying the ones who did know should have reported him to the police. Thats what they are there for. Not tomonitor the entire Internet. Now that the attacks have happened Now the police should be investigating the people whom he trusted. They are the ones who knew and should have reported him beforehand. It should also be investigated as to what they are doing and why they didn't report him. Radicals tend to flock together because they have the same beliefs (stroke each others egos). Maybe their next attack can be avoided. Isnt that what undercover work is all about?
With it being a 1500 page manifesto, I dont think it was something he just "threw together" and posted as he walked out the door. Human nature being what it is, someone knew he was writing it and/or proof read it, or parts of it, more than an hour before it was posted. People like him do tend to brag. There was even a video he supposedly made (with pictures of himself in it) entitled "Knights Templar 2083" but has since been taken down from where i saw saw it on the 23rd. In it it talks of starting a war. Well, you cant have a war without people to follow you into battle. So yes, someone knew. be it the manifesto or some other posting, someone knew.
Although in theory I tend to agree with you, in all practicality I feel I cant on a couple of points.
"free citizens of that society should want to police themselves" and "because when a free child sees something they know to be wrong, they are inclined to go tell an adult about it."
As for policing themselves, well. we have seem time and time again where this is a major failure. Even pointed out on on this site. All this concept leads to are more victims because of the inherent corruption of society itself. This can be exampled in the next part.
SOMEBODY knew this guy. Somebody knew how radical he is. These ideas didn't just pop in his head 10 minuets before he did it. His beliefs grew from the "opinions" of other radicals. He was communicating with others. Somebody read his manifesto before Monday. Did anyone "snitch"?
The police are there for a reason. Granted, they cant have a file on everyone AND THEY SHOULDN'T. They need as much, or MORE, oversight as anyone in a position of authority. But in a case such as this, I can see where they should be able to get warrants quickly in order to freeze their social network accounts (before people "unfreind" them) so that those "somebodies" can also be investigated (with warrants) as to their involvement or of the likelihood of them doing something similar. This is where commonsense is needed most
The way I read it the first amendment says that the congress cannot pass laws that take away these rights (congress doesnt grant them, they are already there). Whereas section 8 of article 1 says congress can only grant these "rights" for the promotion of science and useful arts and only for a limited time (after which those "rights" end).
article 1 is about the legislative branch, its organization, and its limits of power.
Where does it mention copyright? Maybe I missed it. Just let me know which section.
The photo was not taken by a person in, or acting as, an employee of a news agency. It was given to them by the family. It was paid for by the family. It was the decision of the family to provide it. Even if there was a possible "rights" claim by this "guy" he should have sued the family for distributing the photo, not the news agencies for publishing it. But that would look even worse for his "cash grab". The rights over "news photos" can be debatable, but this was a private photo provided to them.
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In other words iF you are going to buy art wait until after they are long dead (If at all). If the sales stop maybe they will learn the ridiculousness of what they are asking for.
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Lets get real for an instant. I think Mike knows what the issue is here. But lets face it, the guy is dead. I dont think anyone really thinks ol Marlon personally endorsed, designed, built, or owned this couch. As for his estate... who gives a crap. They didnt act. They didnt make him famous. They didnt design, build, or own the couch. So why should they get money for it? why should they get money for their dead relative? What are they going to do bury him again???
Get a job
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Brand O'sofa
and dont tell the Irish
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Brand-o-sofa
That should clear up the problem
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If second, third, and fourth sale royalties are what they want
Wait, there is a new business!! An art gallery at the funeral home. While people are grieving, they might be more willing to pay higher prices.
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My position is that the evidence was probably out there. The manifesto or parts of it, his video, and his postings on radical sites. Instead of hiring people to monitor everyone, they should concentrate their efforts on the radicals and their sites. all radicals!! Thats what we need the Gov. to do, and thats what they should be doing.
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"free citizens of that society should want to police themselves" and "because when a free child sees something they know to be wrong, they are inclined to go tell an adult about it."
As for policing themselves, well. we have seem time and time again where this is a major failure. Even pointed out on on this site. All this concept leads to are more victims because of the inherent corruption of society itself. This can be exampled in the next part.
SOMEBODY knew this guy. Somebody knew how radical he is. These ideas didn't just pop in his head 10 minuets before he did it. His beliefs grew from the "opinions" of other radicals. He was communicating with others. Somebody read his manifesto before Monday. Did anyone "snitch"?
The police are there for a reason. Granted, they cant have a file on everyone AND THEY SHOULDN'T. They need as much, or MORE, oversight as anyone in a position of authority. But in a case such as this, I can see where they should be able to get warrants quickly in order to freeze their social network accounts (before people "unfreind" them) so that those "somebodies" can also be investigated (with warrants) as to their involvement or of the likelihood of them doing something similar. This is where commonsense is needed most
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http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
article 1 is about the legislative branch, its organization, and its limits of power.
Where does it mention copyright? Maybe I missed it. Just let me know which section.
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