Well over complicating the matter. KISS keep it simple stupid.
ID10T errors abound with users.
Did ya neglet to notice the issue is holding a studio "liable".
Whether or not to offer a refund is up to a distributor like Wal-Mart, you don't go to GM to return a blender.
After its out of the warehouse its the property of the distributor. If and when distributors start taking back scratched & used CDs let me know. I"m expecting a few claims with distributors for returns but its usually an issue with the hardware, handling or packaging or lack there of.
Refer to previous reply.
"Same issue. Unless you want Activision or Blizzard to hire contractors to investigate every claim of damage ... yeah that's not going to happen." - Me
Agreed Technomancer.
We live in a whats in it for me society. Let the free market bankrupt the [fill in blank here] studios.
Out in the open? Are you expecting me and mine to be sooth sayers?
Not an issue for a developer as I. In fact its not even on the top 10 list. If I have a quality product that I've tested the occasional bug can be investigated by a small bug test team. By then the bug usually can be chopped up to a conflict with another. If the computer hardware and software is the road we drive on its usually a car accident cleanup we have to deal with and only a tow truck is needed. Not a overhaul on the road. Though the speed limit may need a tweek.
Analogy I use for my own gold release is if its golden even the smallest scratch and mar it. If the studio did there due diligence testing in the first place your golden for all of time with a velvet rope.
Same issue. Unless you want Activision or Blizzard to hire contractors to investigate every claim of damage ... yeah that's not going to happen.
Let the free market handle it. If a studio doesn't market to the majority they live with sup par profit and eventually die.
The rest is common sense for a studio. As a I said the issue is hardware not software. Test, Test and re-test on multiple machines, oh its the one thing you can control! Thank the internet for that. Closed a open beta test studios are quite popular for all sorts of software. Nowadays you can telecomute. Dream job if you can find one.
I started reading TechDirt back when there were huge issues over hot coffee. Around that time is when I started college to become a game developer.
My drug... i mean game of choice was Descent3. I went through 3 joysticks and at least a full years worth of time before I moved onto Diablo2.
Issues were abundant in Descent3, and around then I had to run it at lowest spec. Now any Netbook I1501 dell can run the game at full specs. In this day and age developers forget the minimum spec guy and aim for best and better leaving the small guy out in the wind. I am seriously ticked that the next-gen games and shader 3.0 are the only things that keep me from playing anything just before Assasin's Creed on my 4-yr-old computer.
Now the work around if liability is of concern just leaving your game in semi-permanent beta till all bugs are worked out or your development team no longer supports the game.
The Bigger issue is for the industry to consider the majority of PCs. If you choose to debate; "There is no market for the PC" just when you got time look modern video cards and TVOUT. There maybe no modern market but it is vastly untapped.
Diablo 2 and WoW work off of 10 year old machine. Oh, I guess this multi-billion dollar market was thought about by someone. Complex games are quite buggy? Look at the hardware not software.
Ya don;t need a bill of rights internet period. Honestly, it sounds like Orwellian 1984 Doublespeak. It's open to everybody already as common as the cable. We don't need another bureaucratic cost skyrocket protecting what is our basic rights are. Only thing you need to do is have a good search engine to weed out the child porn, crime ect. Oh wait we already have that.
Never reproach another for his love:
It happens often enough
That beauty ensnares with desire the wise
While the foolish remain unmoved.
-Havamal
I'm sorry, find a group of his peers and plead not guilty. Porn is as American as Apple Pie; Its why Sex Talk is on every night, Skinamax exist, and why "The internet is for Porn" song with World of Warcraft characters is so dam funny.
And a Creed lyric comes to mind here as well because of how about...
..Sex sales. yeah the hold world is buyin'.
Holy hell get an appeal. Life time in the the sex offenders city is no life. (have you seen the news lately)
De Ja Vu' here. I remember an article last week that touched on this issue a bit. Summary Metalpocalypse went to cross roads to sell there soul for the blues. The demon came with the contract and Deathlok handed him back an edited copy with a coupon to kinkos.
~~bows and prays~~we are not worthy, we are not worthy!
Legend!
Dear AC... Im actually grinning after reading this post thinking of Eric Cartman's "RESPECT MY AUTHORITY". I think one of our previous posters said it best.
Benjamin Franklin - "When we give up liberty for security we soon not have neither"
Psst. A 12 year old still knows how to make a choice... if he or she was given it. Or did you conveniently leave that out of your thought process before you posted. Rhetorical of course.
Just because it's "widely" accepted doesn't mean it works as well. The system worked for 19 centuries I wonder why.
Oh and btw the rambling disorganized content of which you speak was to brief the article without actually posting it.
And btw, the article was meant to open minds... who's are the freshest to the article it self.. Oh yeah a target audience.
Shortly after I dropped out because of boredom I wrote an article a little biography of my experience in high school.
I read to the effect kids are bored and its small wonder 1/3 don't finish. My original high school kicked me out the day before a trip to D.C. because of my truancy. Luckily my dad pointed out I could go to what here is called Applied Technology Center. Took there prep test for the GED test and I received an actual diploma & my GED. Got my Associates Degree in little less than 2 hours.
The bullet point in this article of mine was why have we changed our education system from a Master slash Apprentice system of JUST 150 years ago. When at 12 you know what field your going to be in and study what you need from there.
I printed 100 copies and wanted to leave it on my original H.S. Front Desk for students to pick up. I was told no, just flat out no.
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Re: Complex problem
ID10T errors abound with users.
Did ya neglet to notice the issue is holding a studio "liable".
Whether or not to offer a refund is up to a distributor like Wal-Mart, you don't go to GM to return a blender.
After its out of the warehouse its the property of the distributor. If and when distributors start taking back scratched & used CDs let me know. I"m expecting a few claims with distributors for returns but its usually an issue with the hardware, handling or packaging or lack there of.
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Re: Is it *really* broken?
"Same issue. Unless you want Activision or Blizzard to hire contractors to investigate every claim of damage ... yeah that's not going to happen." - Me
Agreed Technomancer.
We live in a whats in it for me society. Let the free market bankrupt the [fill in blank here] studios.
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Re: Re: Re:
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Re: Disclosure
Not an issue for a developer as I. In fact its not even on the top 10 list. If I have a quality product that I've tested the occasional bug can be investigated by a small bug test team. By then the bug usually can be chopped up to a conflict with another. If the computer hardware and software is the road we drive on its usually a car accident cleanup we have to deal with and only a tow truck is needed. Not a overhaul on the road. Though the speed limit may need a tweek.
Analogy I use for my own gold release is if its golden even the smallest scratch and mar it. If the studio did there due diligence testing in the first place your golden for all of time with a velvet rope.
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Re:
Same issue. Unless you want Activision or Blizzard to hire contractors to investigate every claim of damage ... yeah that's not going to happen.
Let the free market handle it. If a studio doesn't market to the majority they live with sup par profit and eventually die.
The rest is common sense for a studio. As a I said the issue is hardware not software. Test, Test and re-test on multiple machines, oh its the one thing you can control! Thank the internet for that. Closed a open beta test studios are quite popular for all sorts of software. Nowadays you can telecomute. Dream job if you can find one.
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From the Industry Mind
My drug... i mean game of choice was Descent3. I went through 3 joysticks and at least a full years worth of time before I moved onto Diablo2.
Issues were abundant in Descent3, and around then I had to run it at lowest spec. Now any Netbook I1501 dell can run the game at full specs. In this day and age developers forget the minimum spec guy and aim for best and better leaving the small guy out in the wind. I am seriously ticked that the next-gen games and shader 3.0 are the only things that keep me from playing anything just before Assasin's Creed on my 4-yr-old computer.
Now the work around if liability is of concern just leaving your game in semi-permanent beta till all bugs are worked out or your development team no longer supports the game.
The Bigger issue is for the industry to consider the majority of PCs. If you choose to debate; "There is no market for the PC" just when you got time look modern video cards and TVOUT. There maybe no modern market but it is vastly untapped.
Diablo 2 and WoW work off of 10 year old machine. Oh, I guess this multi-billion dollar market was thought about by someone. Complex games are quite buggy? Look at the hardware not software.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Alzheimer's & Dementia are closely related.
But hey who am I to read too much into something?
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Re:
Wow. Wells here's some advice written long ago for ya.
An ill tempered, unhappy man
Ridicules all he hears,
Makes fun of others, refusing always
To see the faults in himself
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Have to agree with the majority
Leave it the blank alone.
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Re:
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Re: To be human P.S.
95% of all court cases are plea bargains. Think on that.
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To be human
It happens often enough
That beauty ensnares with desire the wise
While the foolish remain unmoved.
-Havamal
I'm sorry, find a group of his peers and plead not guilty. Porn is as American as Apple Pie; Its why Sex Talk is on every night, Skinamax exist, and why "The internet is for Porn" song with World of Warcraft characters is so dam funny.
And a Creed lyric comes to mind here as well because of how about...
..Sex sales. yeah the hold world is buyin'.
Holy hell get an appeal. Life time in the the sex offenders city is no life. (have you seen the news lately)
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Re: herodotus
Once I lost my way:
Rich I felt when I found another;
Man rejoices in man,
Havamal's First Stanza
Just a thought here herodutous but as the "informed" shouldn't you share that information to your comrades?
The first step in dealing with a problem is to be AWARE of it, LOL.
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Exactly else if we started defining Unauthorized host of protected content as piracy they'd have to shut down You Tube.
Worrisome though because there having talks on exactly these points at the Net Neutrality conference.
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De Ja Vu
~~bows and prays~~we are not worthy, we are not worthy!
Legend!
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Re:
Spin you in a hole and lodge the next big one would ya?
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Re: Re:
...we soon have neither."
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Re:
Benjamin Franklin - "When we give up liberty for security we soon not have neither"
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Re: Re: Been squelched myself
Psst. A 12 year old still knows how to make a choice... if he or she was given it. Or did you conveniently leave that out of your thought process before you posted. Rhetorical of course.
Just because it's "widely" accepted doesn't mean it works as well. The system worked for 19 centuries I wonder why.
Oh and btw the rambling disorganized content of which you speak was to brief the article without actually posting it.
And btw, the article was meant to open minds... who's are the freshest to the article it self.. Oh yeah a target audience.
Think before you speak.
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Been squelched myself
I read to the effect kids are bored and its small wonder 1/3 don't finish. My original high school kicked me out the day before a trip to D.C. because of my truancy. Luckily my dad pointed out I could go to what here is called Applied Technology Center. Took there prep test for the GED test and I received an actual diploma & my GED. Got my Associates Degree in little less than 2 hours.
The bullet point in this article of mine was why have we changed our education system from a Master slash Apprentice system of JUST 150 years ago. When at 12 you know what field your going to be in and study what you need from there.
I printed 100 copies and wanted to leave it on my original H.S. Front Desk for students to pick up. I was told no, just flat out no.
Guess options are a bad thing in public schools.
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