The only criminals I see are the MPAA and RIAA for suing dead people, grandmothers, little kids, broke college students, printers for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Maybe you should take a look at some history at what a great man said many, many years before you were even a thought in your grandfather's mind.
"I am so sensible, Sir, of the kindness with which the House has listened to me, that I will not detain you longer. I will only say this, that if the measure before us should pass, and should produce one tenth part of the evil which it is calculated to produce, and which I fully expect it to produce, there will soon be a remedy, though of a very objectionable kind. Just as the absurd acts which prohibited the sale of game were virtually repealed by the poacher, just as many absurd revenue acts have been virtually repealed by the smuggler, so will this law be virtually repealed by piratical booksellers. At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains. No tradesmen of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot. On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as Robinson Crusoe, or the Pilgrims Progress, shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich, for the advantage of the greatgrandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress? Remember too that, when once it ceases to be considered as wrong and discreditable to invade literary property, no person can say where the invasion will stop. The public seldom make nice distinctions. The wholesome copyright which now exists will share in the disgrace and danger of the new copyright which you are about to create. And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the words of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living. If I saw, Sir any probability that this bill could be so amended in the Committee that my objections might be removed I would not divide the House in this stage. But I am so fully convinced that no alteration which would not seem insupportable to my honorable and learned friend, could render his measure supportable to me, that I must move, though with regret, that this bill be read a second time this day six months."
- Thomas Babington Macaulay Speechs to House of Commons on 5 Feb. 1841 Opposing Proposed Life + 60 Year Copyright Term
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But didn't they pay money to see the movie? And you're disrupting others. If anything, YOU would get thrown out, not the "thief" that you're "stopping".
SOPA would have held WEBSITES accountable for the actions of the users.
SOPA-lite can't.
How simple is that?
It's great that you can rationalize over what has happened. It will be a great coping mechanism for what is coming down the road.
Make sure to keep that in mind when copyright gets repealed in the coming years as more and more people realize how badly it's been screwing them over.
Funny thing is, the rise of piracy was foreseen in the 1800s when the British decided to increase the length of copyright to past the lifetime of the creator. The guy who saw it said that "the public doesn't make distinctions between wholesome copyright and corrupted copyright. Once the balance of copyright goes in favor of the rightsholders over the public, the public will no longer support copyright."
Might I remind you about the recent Supreme Court case that had the right to resell books?
Or the farmer who got sued by Monsato for the fact that some of the seeds he bought had their patented product in it and he grew it, so they sued him for breach of contract, even though he never signed it?
Or the whole "genetically modified foods" debate that's going on. Oh, guess what? That all falls under IP law.
Let's not forget that libraries are getting attacked by the copyfraud alliance, depriving them of books that are under copyright because they don't want the works read aloud.
Not to mention that entire governments are saying "screw copyright, pirate the textbooks for our schools".
And the price of healthcare goes up because patents screws us over and keeps the cost of life-saving medicines too damn high.
So, guess what? IP law IS important, it's just that the people don't always understand how IP law is screwing them over. But they're coming around. More and more people are finding out and learning, and that is what the Copyfraud Alliance doesn't want.
You see, the difference between ACTA, SOPA, PIPA and other FTA is one thing and one thing only...
The public was able to truly express how they felt.
As I pointed out, IP law is becoming the most important thing in the world, simply because it's affecting our lives more and more.
IP law includes copyright, patents and trademarks. When those start screwing over the common folk like farmers who just want to plant seeds that they bought without a problem, or schools who want to be able to share knowledge without problem...
Then people start making a fuss over it.
This isn't the 20th century anymore. IP law is important to everyone.
Oh, and BTW, calling people here Techdirtbags doesn't endear you to anyone.
Fact is, IP law *IS* becoming more and more important in everyone's lives, thanks to the internet.
Because of the DMCA and other copyright laws, more and more people are seeing how it's affecting them directly.
If not for the DMCA, you'd be right, IP law wouldn't be important.
But, unfortunately, it is, because it affects how we use our phones, being able to repair our cars, our computers, our way of gaming, being able to share culture with one another, not to mention how it affects medicines, farmers being able to grow crops if the seeds are patented (look it up, a farmer got sued for growing a crop that had seeds that were under patent law, and he bought them as part of a group, how would he have known?), not to mention the ability to resell things we buy (remember the student who bought textbooks from Thailand and then resold them in the U.S.?) to international laws and how they're used to go after people like Richard O'Dyer and Kim Dotcom.
IP law is so crazy that North Korea recently used copyright as an EXCUSE to have PUBLIC EXECUTIONS on people who pirated South Korean movies, songs and even a Bible.
Better sky is falling when trade agreements and laws come up like SOPA than "sky is falling" when someone makes a new, innovative, platform or service that people use that the Copyright Cartels keep crying over and over and over and over again.
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Maybe you should take a look at some history at what a great man said many, many years before you were even a thought in your grandfather's mind.
"I am so sensible, Sir, of the kindness with which the House has listened to me, that I will not detain you longer. I will only say this, that if the measure before us should pass, and should produce one tenth part of the evil which it is calculated to produce, and which I fully expect it to produce, there will soon be a remedy, though of a very objectionable kind. Just as the absurd acts which prohibited the sale of game were virtually repealed by the poacher, just as many absurd revenue acts have been virtually repealed by the smuggler, so will this law be virtually repealed by piratical booksellers. At present the holder of copyright has the public feeling on his side. Those who invade copyright are regarded as knaves who take the bread out of the mouths of deserving men. Everybody is well pleased to see them restrained by the law, and compelled to refund their ill-gotten gains. No tradesmen of good repute will have anything to do with such disgraceful transactions. Pass this law: and that feeling is at an end. Men very different from the present race of piratical booksellers will soon infringe this intolerable monopoly. Great masses of capital will be constantly employed in the violation of the law. Every art will be employed to evade legal pursuit; and the whole nation will be in the plot. On which side indeed should the public sympathy be when the question is whether some book as popular as Robinson Crusoe, or the Pilgrims Progress, shall be in every cottage, or whether it shall be confined to the libraries of the rich, for the advantage of the greatgrandson of a bookseller who, a hundred years before, drove a hard bargain for the copyright with the author when in great distress? Remember too that, when once it ceases to be considered as wrong and discreditable to invade literary property, no person can say where the invasion will stop. The public seldom make nice distinctions. The wholesome copyright which now exists will share in the disgrace and danger of the new copyright which you are about to create. And you will find that, in attempting to impose unreasonable restraints on the reprinting of the words of the dead, you have, to a great extent, annulled those restraints which now prevent men from pillaging and defrauding the living. If I saw, Sir any probability that this bill could be so amended in the Committee that my objections might be removed I would not divide the House in this stage. But I am so fully convinced that no alteration which would not seem insupportable to my honorable and learned friend, could render his measure supportable to me, that I must move, though with regret, that this bill be read a second time this day six months."
- Thomas Babington Macaulay Speechs to House of Commons
on 5 Feb. 1841 Opposing Proposed Life + 60 Year Copyright Term
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Did you know that the biggest way for people to get interested in a movie or series they had never heard of before is through piracy?
Then they go out and *shock and horror* buy it.
And before you say "pirates are evil and they'll never do that", I point to you to the anime industry.
Anime was HEAVILY pirated in the late 80s and early 90s. Still is today.
However, because of said piracy, more people know of various series and go out to read and support the series/creator as much as possible.
One Piece, for example, has a VERY weird art style and most anime fans wouldn't give it a second glance.
However, people pirated One Piece, found it was good, and spread the word.
Now One Piece is one of the best selling anime and manga in the world, and THE best selling anime/manga in Japan.
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Rikuo?!
I'm shocked!
That's 2-3 times more than I have in the past 6 years.
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And this is why...
Hell, I don't even like to buy them on DVD anymore, because it just supports these assholes.
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SOPA-lite can't.
How simple is that?
It's great that you can rationalize over what has happened. It will be a great coping mechanism for what is coming down the road.
Make sure to keep that in mind when copyright gets repealed in the coming years as more and more people realize how badly it's been screwing them over.
Funny thing is, the rise of piracy was foreseen in the 1800s when the British decided to increase the length of copyright to past the lifetime of the creator. The guy who saw it said that "the public doesn't make distinctions between wholesome copyright and corrupted copyright. Once the balance of copyright goes in favor of the rightsholders over the public, the public will no longer support copyright."
He was right.
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Those ISPs can't hold websites accountable for their actions.
SOPA would have.
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Might I remind you about the recent Supreme Court case that had the right to resell books?
Or the farmer who got sued by Monsato for the fact that some of the seeds he bought had their patented product in it and he grew it, so they sued him for breach of contract, even though he never signed it?
Or the whole "genetically modified foods" debate that's going on. Oh, guess what? That all falls under IP law.
Let's not forget that libraries are getting attacked by the copyfraud alliance, depriving them of books that are under copyright because they don't want the works read aloud.
Not to mention that entire governments are saying "screw copyright, pirate the textbooks for our schools".
And the price of healthcare goes up because patents screws us over and keeps the cost of life-saving medicines too damn high.
So, guess what? IP law IS important, it's just that the people don't always understand how IP law is screwing them over. But they're coming around. More and more people are finding out and learning, and that is what the Copyfraud Alliance doesn't want.
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The thing that a few ISPs agreed on?
It doesn't affect everyone like SOPA would have.
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The public was able to truly express how they felt.
As I pointed out, IP law is becoming the most important thing in the world, simply because it's affecting our lives more and more.
IP law includes copyright, patents and trademarks. When those start screwing over the common folk like farmers who just want to plant seeds that they bought without a problem, or schools who want to be able to share knowledge without problem...
Then people start making a fuss over it.
This isn't the 20th century anymore. IP law is important to everyone.
Oh, and BTW, calling people here Techdirtbags doesn't endear you to anyone.
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Because of the DMCA and other copyright laws, more and more people are seeing how it's affecting them directly.
If not for the DMCA, you'd be right, IP law wouldn't be important.
But, unfortunately, it is, because it affects how we use our phones, being able to repair our cars, our computers, our way of gaming, being able to share culture with one another, not to mention how it affects medicines, farmers being able to grow crops if the seeds are patented (look it up, a farmer got sued for growing a crop that had seeds that were under patent law, and he bought them as part of a group, how would he have known?), not to mention the ability to resell things we buy (remember the student who bought textbooks from Thailand and then resold them in the U.S.?) to international laws and how they're used to go after people like Richard O'Dyer and Kim Dotcom.
IP law is so crazy that North Korea recently used copyright as an EXCUSE to have PUBLIC EXECUTIONS on people who pirated South Korean movies, songs and even a Bible.
IP law isn't important?
Think again!
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And that's why ACTA and SOPA passed, amirite?
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Well...
... Damn, this whole situation with the government is so screwed up that it's making the crazy people look normal!
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Really, the government is like a child.
"Honey, I don't hear the kids, they're doing something wrong."
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Which would you prefer?
The ability to choose, even if choices are corrupt, or would you prefer people appointed to rule.
Cuz that's what will happen if we "Stop the Vote".
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Hey, Philly...
Call Boston and tell them to stop being assholes and that'll be a good place to start!
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