It's clear that he has no intention of ever having an actual discussion about his personal beliefs. And he is clearly being disingenuous with the claims that I'm violating his rights. He's set up a strawman, pretending like I said someone's wishes are their rights. When called out, he vanishes. Same old, same old. This type of behavior is exactly why I don't respect him. He's too insecure and dishonest to have an honest discussion, unfortunately.
Sigh. Just more childishness. If you have a question you want answered, type it out right here in this thread and you will have a direct answer.
It's clear that you don't want to answer the question about your personal beliefs about the morality of simple piracy. I'm not at all surprised.
As to your silly new game about how I'm violating your rights, I will gladly answer since you're making such a big deal about it. I honestly don't understand what right of yours you think I'm violating. Please explain EXACTLY which right of yours I'm violating. I will answer you within minutes, but first I need to understand your argument (I seriously don't even get what you're saying with this). So spell it out for me how it is you think I'm violating your rights, and you will have a direct answer.
You keep saying the only reason it's a violation of rights is because it goes against their wishes and that they spent time, money and energy on creation.
I didn't say that. I'm saying that it's a violation of their rights because under the law they have exclusive rights that the pirates are violating. I never said it violates their rights because it goes against their wishes. So I don't get your point there. I pointed out that they put time, energy, and money into creating the product that people value, which is true. That's the reason why I'm happy to pay for it, and that's the reason why I think it's reasonable for them to have the right to demand payment for their works in the first place. But I never said that their wishes = their rights. Wishes don't create rights.
There's several questions there. Instead of a link to something, just ask me right here, right now in this thread the question you want me to answer. I will give you a direct answer to the absolute best of my ability. I won't run away, I won't hide, I won't be condescending. I won't do any of that. Type out a direct question to me right here, and you will have your answer within minutes.
And then after that, please answer my question from last week. You know the one.
I've tried to have a regular conversation with you many times in the past. We all know how it ends.
And yet you refuse to answer the simple, direct question about your personal beliefs about simple piracy. You have excuse after excuse for why you won't answer, but never just an answer. Why aren't you answering me in that thread? You popped in this morning with more excuses, but never an answer. The reason I have such little respect for you is because I think you're being dishonest and deceitful, and I think you purposefully run from conversations about your beliefs because you're ashamed and scared.
Let's try and have a productive conversation for once. If you directly a detractor for once, I might gain a bit of respect for you. But continuing with all the childishness, like you're doing here, is not making me think any better of you. The "you're violating my rights!" thing is really sad, Mike. Give me a break. When you're ready to have an adult conversation, I'll be here.
Should we start listing out your regular list of insults.
Go ahead, make a huge list. I couldn't care less. I'm not "really stupid" and you know it.
I do think you're despicable and slimy and lots of other things. The way you're acting all childish in this thread only reinforces that view. I don't think you're stupid, though. I think you're smart. That actually makes the things you do even more despicable.
So yeah, make that list. Spend hours on it. I don't care.
Do you really want to go down that path, considering how often you are exceptionally condescending any time anyone doesn't agree with your distorted view of the world?
And you are extremely condescending to anyone who dares express a view contrary to your own. You've been EXTREMELY rude to me dozens of times. I admit at times I am also condescending at times, and it's wrong to be that way. I shouldn't let my emotions get the best of me like that. I have no trouble admitting my flaws. Have you ever admitted any of yours? And when are you going to respond in that other thread? No more excuses, Mike. Just have a normal conversation for once. Or is this the best you can do? All you can do is talk about talking about stuff, but you never actually just talk about stuff. I don't get it. Is it insecurity or shame? Seems like it. Not being condescending. I'm being serious. I've never seen anyone so scared of just having a normal conversation with a detractor.
And yet, whenever I say this to you... your response is to claim I've "run away."
Mike,
Let's just be clear about this. I have no trouble waiting for days for you to answer a question. I know you're busy too. So I don't know why you're pretending like it's otherwise.
But you, of course, had no answer. I've waited several days for an answer there. I know you just don't want to answer the question. That much is perfectly clear. The last thing on earth you want to talk about is your personal beliefs.
The fact that you have to lie about who dodges questions and who can't wait for the other to answer is just sad. Are you really that desperate and insecure that you can't just have a normal conversation with a detractor?
Can't you just man up and have a regular conversation? Or is being arrogant and derisive the only thing you know?
And yet, whenever I say this to you... your response is to claim I've "run away."
Has he asked me a question that I'm purposefully avoiding? I don't think so. I'm not running from anything. If Leigh has a direct question for me, I will put down what I'm working on and I will give him the best answer I can. You wouldn't understand. And really, Mike, is this the best you got? Can you just not have a normal conversation with someone?
LOL! No it just means that I have work to do, and I don't feel the need to keep repeating myself. Go ahead and get the last word means simply what it says. I'm just letting you know that I won't be here all day rehashing the same arguments we went through last weekend. If you have something to add, I'll read it and take it into consideration. Thanks.
I understand that you may not feel that copyright laws promote the progress. First of all, you're Canadian, right? It's funny that you obsess over foreign laws so much. Second of all, we don't all get to decide for ourselves whether the progress is adequately promoted. Moreover, having decided personally that it's not, we can't use that opinion as a reason to justify the violation of someone else's rights. We don't get to decide for ourselves which rights of others are to be respected and which aren't, just like others don't get to decide for themselves which of your rights are to respected and which aren't. I get that you don't like copyright (and you, like so many on Techdirt, can't even admit that it does great things for society--heck, you guys can't even admit that it does *anything* good for society), but that in no way, shape, or form justifies piracy. By that same logic, I could decide to violate any of your personal property rights based on my own self-serving justification that your rights aren't worth respecting. Have a good one, Leigh. Go ahead and get the last word.
or the umpteenth time, copyright is itself a violation of the rights of the public.
Spoken like a true apologist. Mike has taught you well. The Constitution grants Congress the power to create copyright laws. Congress has exercised that power and created copyright laws. Your right to copy has not been "violated." It has been legitimately limited by a duly enacted statute. To say your right to copy is "violated" by copyright laws is like saying your right to drive 120 MPH is "violated" by speed limits. Give me a break. So where your rights haven't in fact been violated, you whine that they have. But then when pirates actually violate someone's rights, you pretend like that doesn't even matter. Instead it's just "copying." Classic. Why don't you just be honest and admit that your right to copy hasn't been "violated," and that pirates are in fact violating their victims' rights? I know, such honesty is not your style. Deny, deny, deny.
You don't have a good argument, do you? Hilarious.
At the end of the day, pirates take without paying content that other people spend time, money, and energy creating. Pirates deny their victims the money that they have every right to expect in return for their valuable content. Pirates violate other people's rights in their insatiable need to have the content they value so much. Pirates are selfish people who only care about themselves and who can't see past the end of their nose.
And you, Mike, will always be there to tell them it's OK. Delicious. [And no, Mike, I'm not going to play your game. If you have a point, make it.]
Wait. First you ask my opinion, then you say you don't care what it is? OK. Please don't bother posting to me again. OK. The feeling's mutual. Don't bother posting at me again, 'cause I won't be reading anything you post from now on. TD needs an ignore button.
They are not equal, but most of the time the law tracks morals. How else could it work.
They are both valid ways to consider the question, but you are just playing troll-games and you know it. Cory gave you a detailed explanation of his moral position, and even specifically noted that he considers this to be something separate from just "what laws are on the books" -- and the best response you can come up with is "but there are laws on the books"
My response to Cory was that he should want to pay the people who spend the time, energy, and money to create the content that he values.
It's funny how you're such a pirate apologist that you can't even admit the incontestable facts that piracy means violating someone's personal rights and it means depriving someone of their asking price for content that costs real money, time, and energy to create. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise.
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It's clear that he has no intention of ever having an actual discussion about his personal beliefs. And he is clearly being disingenuous with the claims that I'm violating his rights. He's set up a strawman, pretending like I said someone's wishes are their rights. When called out, he vanishes. Same old, same old. This type of behavior is exactly why I don't respect him. He's too insecure and dishonest to have an honest discussion, unfortunately.
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LMAO! Well-played.
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It's clear that you don't want to answer the question about your personal beliefs about the morality of simple piracy. I'm not at all surprised.
As to your silly new game about how I'm violating your rights, I will gladly answer since you're making such a big deal about it. I honestly don't understand what right of yours you think I'm violating. Please explain EXACTLY which right of yours I'm violating. I will answer you within minutes, but first I need to understand your argument (I seriously don't even get what you're saying with this). So spell it out for me how it is you think I'm violating your rights, and you will have a direct answer.
You keep saying the only reason it's a violation of rights is because it goes against their wishes and that they spent time, money and energy on creation.
I didn't say that. I'm saying that it's a violation of their rights because under the law they have exclusive rights that the pirates are violating. I never said it violates their rights because it goes against their wishes. So I don't get your point there. I pointed out that they put time, energy, and money into creating the product that people value, which is true. That's the reason why I'm happy to pay for it, and that's the reason why I think it's reasonable for them to have the right to demand payment for their works in the first place. But I never said that their wishes = their rights. Wishes don't create rights.
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And then after that, please answer my question from last week. You know the one.
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And yet you refuse to answer the simple, direct question about your personal beliefs about simple piracy. You have excuse after excuse for why you won't answer, but never just an answer. Why aren't you answering me in that thread? You popped in this morning with more excuses, but never an answer. The reason I have such little respect for you is because I think you're being dishonest and deceitful, and I think you purposefully run from conversations about your beliefs because you're ashamed and scared.
Let's try and have a productive conversation for once. If you directly a detractor for once, I might gain a bit of respect for you. But continuing with all the childishness, like you're doing here, is not making me think any better of you. The "you're violating my rights!" thing is really sad, Mike. Give me a break. When you're ready to have an adult conversation, I'll be here.
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Go ahead, make a huge list. I couldn't care less. I'm not "really stupid" and you know it.
I do think you're despicable and slimy and lots of other things. The way you're acting all childish in this thread only reinforces that view. I don't think you're stupid, though. I think you're smart. That actually makes the things you do even more despicable.
So yeah, make that list. Spend hours on it. I don't care.
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And you are extremely condescending to anyone who dares express a view contrary to your own. You've been EXTREMELY rude to me dozens of times. I admit at times I am also condescending at times, and it's wrong to be that way. I shouldn't let my emotions get the best of me like that. I have no trouble admitting my flaws. Have you ever admitted any of yours? And when are you going to respond in that other thread? No more excuses, Mike. Just have a normal conversation for once. Or is this the best you can do? All you can do is talk about talking about stuff, but you never actually just talk about stuff. I don't get it. Is it insecurity or shame? Seems like it. Not being condescending. I'm being serious. I've never seen anyone so scared of just having a normal conversation with a detractor.
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Mike,
Let's just be clear about this. I have no trouble waiting for days for you to answer a question. I know you're busy too. So I don't know why you're pretending like it's otherwise.
And in point of fact, you still haven't answered the question I posed to you several days ago. You have give many excuses, but you haven't answered the question. Just this morning you had more excuses: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120908/13441520319/funniestmost-insightful-comments-week-techdirt .shtml#c6772
But you, of course, had no answer. I've waited several days for an answer there. I know you just don't want to answer the question. That much is perfectly clear. The last thing on earth you want to talk about is your personal beliefs.
You came into the comments to pretend like *I* ran away from ONE question you claimed I was dodging: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120908/13441520319/funniestmost-insightful-comments-week-techdirt .shtml#c6009
But the fact remains that I am in that thread, days later, still waiting for you to point out which question you think I'm dodging and to answer the question you are in fact dodging: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120908/13441520319/funniestmost-insightful-comments-week-techdirt .shtml#c6772
The fact that you have to lie about who dodges questions and who can't wait for the other to answer is just sad. Are you really that desperate and insecure that you can't just have a normal conversation with a detractor?
Can't you just man up and have a regular conversation? Or is being arrogant and derisive the only thing you know?
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There's no need to be condescending because we don't see eye to eye. And you call me childish?
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Has he asked me a question that I'm purposefully avoiding? I don't think so. I'm not running from anything. If Leigh has a direct question for me, I will put down what I'm working on and I will give him the best answer I can. You wouldn't understand. And really, Mike, is this the best you got? Can you just not have a normal conversation with someone?
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Spoken like a true apologist. Mike has taught you well. The Constitution grants Congress the power to create copyright laws. Congress has exercised that power and created copyright laws. Your right to copy has not been "violated." It has been legitimately limited by a duly enacted statute. To say your right to copy is "violated" by copyright laws is like saying your right to drive 120 MPH is "violated" by speed limits. Give me a break. So where your rights haven't in fact been violated, you whine that they have. But then when pirates actually violate someone's rights, you pretend like that doesn't even matter. Instead it's just "copying." Classic. Why don't you just be honest and admit that your right to copy hasn't been "violated," and that pirates are in fact violating their victims' rights? I know, such honesty is not your style. Deny, deny, deny.
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At the end of the day, pirates take without paying content that other people spend time, money, and energy creating. Pirates deny their victims the money that they have every right to expect in return for their valuable content. Pirates violate other people's rights in their insatiable need to have the content they value so much. Pirates are selfish people who only care about themselves and who can't see past the end of their nose.
And you, Mike, will always be there to tell them it's OK. Delicious. [And no, Mike, I'm not going to play your game. If you have a point, make it.]
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They are not equal, but most of the time the law tracks morals. How else could it work.
They are both valid ways to consider the question, but you are just playing troll-games and you know it. Cory gave you a detailed explanation of his moral position, and even specifically noted that he considers this to be something separate from just "what laws are on the books" -- and the best response you can come up with is "but there are laws on the books"
My response to Cory was that he should want to pay the people who spend the time, energy, and money to create the content that he values.
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It's funny how you're such a pirate apologist that you can't even admit the incontestable facts that piracy means violating someone's personal rights and it means depriving someone of their asking price for content that costs real money, time, and energy to create. It's intellectually dishonest to pretend otherwise.
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