I can totally see that, Uriel. Instead of rooting out corruption, it's okay if our guy does it.
The Neocons are the worst shower I've ever seen in terms of their attitudes to People Who Are Not Like Us. The more openly fascist politicians, etc., wear their stinking evil on their sleeves but the Neocons are able to get enough makeup on the pig to make it pass for almost human. Their ability to present themselves as the adults in the room (with little in the way of challenge) is what keeps them in power. We need to be more willing to call them out on their crap.
Can we please agree that what's been going on since Carter's administration has broken with norms accepted by the public since before then?
When I was a kid, I expected people in public office to conduct themselves with dignity and propriety, and to be removed from office if they didn't -- see Profumo for details. He spent the next few decades rehabilitating his image via charity work after messing about with a "good time girl" who also played footsie with Russian spies.
During the Thatcher administration, any MP (even Cabinet members) who stepped out of line got chucked out of office pretty damn quick. I'm thinking of philanderer Cecil Parkinson here.
Then Bill Clinton got a public spanking for messing with Lewinsky. I know that some of his accusers had their little bits on the side at the same time, but I didn't know it then. The point is, politicians who misbehaved were SEEN to be punished for breaking the rules (Clinton still has to put up with jibes about his conduct). These days, anything goes. There's no bottom where vice and graft are concerned and, for those at the top of the greasy pole, no consequences.
Am I the only one who totally needs to see some toerag get impeached if only to preserve the idea that doing Naughty Things has consequences? Nobody should be above the law, but today they are.
He had no business being there given that the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. It's like me beating you up because Blue said something to annoy me.
Antifa is what happens when 4Chan dresses in black, wears masks, and clobbers people they perceive to be fascists irrespective of whether they actually are or not. It's a boogeyman to frighten right-wingers, nothing more. They don't have an organised, hierarchical, centralised structure, they just dress in black, show up, and start fighting.
I don't approve of violence from anyone; it's not the answer to fascism. If you know anything about fascism (follow the link I posted) you'll realise that all it does is give them ammo to be more authoritarian. The only effective way to beat fascism is to promote diversity and internationalism. Show up to protest bearing dishes of goodies from the targeted group and give them out. You won't win the fascists over but you will win their intended audience over. Rinse and repeat.
Because he's a public figure and has to know, if he has any smarts at all, that saying something like that could affect other areas of his life, to wit: his participation and winnings in Hearthstone. I agree with his support of Hong Kong but his tweeting that out to the world was never going to go without consequence. He should have known that.
I'm certain he did.
***First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.***
The man was willing to speak for Hong Kong. In his position, you wouldn't be.
True, dat. However, the point of continuing the impeachment process is to demonstrate the utter lawlessness of the Republican party when they refuse to convict. They're doing a great job of that now. There is no bottom.
Flake and Romney, among others, are expressing dismay, and The Bulwark has recommended Romney for president on the basis of that. I won't be able to take him seriously till I hear him utter the "I" word. Prediction: he'll flip-flop. Again.
How do you propose to ensure that the hardworking men and women of law enforcement, sworn to protect you and your families, actually maintain lawful access to the information they need to do their jobs?
By getting a damn warrant PRIOR to attempting to access the information. LEOs are not above the law.
LOL! Good luck with that. You would be in jail so fast you wouldn't have time to blink, assuming you survived your attempt to part a cop from his gun. That you'd be in the right is not the point; you may beat the rap but you don't beat the ride.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Gotta love that 'Get out of responsibility free'
Correct. That people are ignoring the democratic and legal processes that could sort this out is the problem. It's a numbers game; if we vote for the right people in sufficient numbers, we effect change. If we can get gay marriage on the law books, why not the punishment of rogue LEOs?
I fear that some of our more distinguished commenters have missed the point. Militant veganism is a thing, unfortunately. As an unrepentant carnivore, I object to the idea of being harassed by activists intent on getting between me and a lamb chop.
It seems that some of these people are getting out of hand, not merely seeking evidence of horrible cruelty to report to the authorities, they're actively trying to disrupt a perfectly legal business operation. Not okay.
Here in Manchester activists have set up a stall on Market Street under the bridge that links the Arndale to Boots. They have posters up and give out free food samples and leaflets. That's fine. Keep it there. As a result of the upsurge in veganism, food outlets of every kind have increased the number of vegan food products; this is the market talking. Also fine.
Marching into someone's farm, abbatoir, or other facility, disrupting work, and "liberating" the animals? Not fine.
Yes, the laws against this kind of thing exist, and yes, they should be exercised. I see this as the government looking for an excuse to become more authoritarian. Liberal? I wonder if they call themselves that ironically.
She's generally progressive and has the political experience and presumably the contacts to make a presidency work. If she wins the primaries, then the election, expect a broadly progressive regime with the neocons pushed back to the fringes where they belong.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Say good-bye to any scraps of credibility
Yep. https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/10/24/16503462/dsa-women-cumtown-chapo
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Re: Dubya instead of Trump
I can totally see that, Uriel. Instead of rooting out corruption, it's okay if our guy does it.
The Neocons are the worst shower I've ever seen in terms of their attitudes to People Who Are Not Like Us. The more openly fascist politicians, etc., wear their stinking evil on their sleeves but the Neocons are able to get enough makeup on the pig to make it pass for almost human. Their ability to present themselves as the adults in the room (with little in the way of challenge) is what keeps them in power. We need to be more willing to call them out on their crap.
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Re: Re:
Can we please agree that what's been going on since Carter's administration has broken with norms accepted by the public since before then?
When I was a kid, I expected people in public office to conduct themselves with dignity and propriety, and to be removed from office if they didn't -- see Profumo for details. He spent the next few decades rehabilitating his image via charity work after messing about with a "good time girl" who also played footsie with Russian spies.
During the Thatcher administration, any MP (even Cabinet members) who stepped out of line got chucked out of office pretty damn quick. I'm thinking of philanderer Cecil Parkinson here.
Then Bill Clinton got a public spanking for messing with Lewinsky. I know that some of his accusers had their little bits on the side at the same time, but I didn't know it then. The point is, politicians who misbehaved were SEEN to be punished for breaking the rules (Clinton still has to put up with jibes about his conduct). These days, anything goes. There's no bottom where vice and graft are concerned and, for those at the top of the greasy pole, no consequences.
Am I the only one who totally needs to see some toerag get impeached if only to preserve the idea that doing Naughty Things has consequences? Nobody should be above the law, but today they are.
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Yep.
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Re: "war criminal is a legal term"
^This. Shame I can only give it one Insightful vote.
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Re: This much is clear.
Whoever starts any war... Ah, never mind.
Bush was president and signed both off. Not okay, and no good reason to go to either. Ergo, war criminal, along with Tony Blair.
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He had no business being there given that the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. It's like me beating you up because Blue said something to annoy me.
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Re: Re: Re: evidence that proves me wrong
I think OldMugwump is trying to equate fascism with mindless violence, then hufing when we don't play along.
Old Mugwump, read this: https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
Antifa is what happens when 4Chan dresses in black, wears masks, and clobbers people they perceive to be fascists irrespective of whether they actually are or not. It's a boogeyman to frighten right-wingers, nothing more. They don't have an organised, hierarchical, centralised structure, they just dress in black, show up, and start fighting.
I don't approve of violence from anyone; it's not the answer to fascism. If you know anything about fascism (follow the link I posted) you'll realise that all it does is give them ammo to be more authoritarian. The only effective way to beat fascism is to promote diversity and internationalism. Show up to protest bearing dishes of goodies from the targeted group and give them out. You won't win the fascists over but you will win their intended audience over. Rinse and repeat.
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Because he's a public figure and has to know, if he has any smarts at all, that saying something like that could affect other areas of his life, to wit: his participation and winnings in Hearthstone. I agree with his support of Hong Kong but his tweeting that out to the world was never going to go without consequence. He should have known that.
I'm certain he did.
***First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.***
The man was willing to speak for Hong Kong. In his position, you wouldn't be.
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Re:
*And that, too, was bullshit.
I believe Mr. Stone meant, "And that, too, was unacceptable."
I agree, it was.
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Re: Re: Re: Protect Us?
True, dat. However, the point of continuing the impeachment process is to demonstrate the utter lawlessness of the Republican party when they refuse to convict. They're doing a great job of that now. There is no bottom.
Flake and Romney, among others, are expressing dismay, and The Bulwark has recommended Romney for president on the basis of that. I won't be able to take him seriously till I hear him utter the "I" word. Prediction: he'll flip-flop. Again.
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Re:
How do you propose to ensure that the hardworking men and women of law enforcement, sworn to protect you and your families, actually maintain lawful access to the information they need to do their jobs?
By getting a damn warrant PRIOR to attempting to access the information. LEOs are not above the law.
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Re: Protect Us?
He's on his way down, TFH, having been caught up in the Ukraine scandal. //Munches popcorn//
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LOL! Good luck with that. You would be in jail so fast you wouldn't have time to blink, assuming you survived your attempt to part a cop from his gun. That you'd be in the right is not the point; you may beat the rap but you don't beat the ride.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Gotta love that 'Get out of responsibility free'
Correct. That people are ignoring the democratic and legal processes that could sort this out is the problem. It's a numbers game; if we vote for the right people in sufficient numbers, we effect change. If we can get gay marriage on the law books, why not the punishment of rogue LEOs?
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That's a feature, not a bug. Third parties are also shut out of televised debates.
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Re: Re: Militant Veganism Isn't An Oxymoron
Agreed.
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Militant Veganism Isn't An Oxymoron
I fear that some of our more distinguished commenters have missed the point. Militant veganism is a thing, unfortunately. As an unrepentant carnivore, I object to the idea of being harassed by activists intent on getting between me and a lamb chop.
It seems that some of these people are getting out of hand, not merely seeking evidence of horrible cruelty to report to the authorities, they're actively trying to disrupt a perfectly legal business operation. Not okay.
Here in Manchester activists have set up a stall on Market Street under the bridge that links the Arndale to Boots. They have posters up and give out free food samples and leaflets. That's fine. Keep it there. As a result of the upsurge in veganism, food outlets of every kind have increased the number of vegan food products; this is the market talking. Also fine.
Marching into someone's farm, abbatoir, or other facility, disrupting work, and "liberating" the animals? Not fine.
Yes, the laws against this kind of thing exist, and yes, they should be exercised. I see this as the government looking for an excuse to become more authoritarian. Liberal? I wonder if they call themselves that ironically.
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Confirmed correct. If anything, he'd be an Obama clone, but with more gaffes.
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She's generally progressive and has the political experience and presumably the contacts to make a presidency work. If she wins the primaries, then the election, expect a broadly progressive regime with the neocons pushed back to the fringes where they belong.
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