Now, now. The Pharmaceutical Industry used the same tried and true "method" in this research as it uses in all research done to disprove claims about the lack of efficacy and/or the lack of safety of its chemical compounds.
It gathers all of its paid scienticians together in a room labelled Research and they all reach into the big blue box labelled Evidence.
Since the box is always empty, the scienticians have to always conclude "That There Is 'Zero Evidence' That (Place claim to be dismisses here).
Its called The Scinetician Method and it always works.
Situation is probably far worse that originally thought. It looks like there might be a very good reason why Clinton is not worried about what the US voting public thinks.
All the new political TV shows seem to be about women in and around the Oval Office... looks like the US Public is being propa-managed once again - groomed to accept a new ringer. A female president.
After all, Bush killed the chance of getting a Republican in office as long as memory holds - another 5-6 years or so - so the Republicans had to use the Black Card to get a Republican in a Democrat Hat into the Whitehouse. Obama.
The Black Card has run its course. Even most Blacks are now aware that Obama is a Trojan Horse. His chances of re-selection are extremely slim, even with a new war under his belt, as the corporations in control need someone that can inspire "CON-fidence" in the general peasantry.
So, that leaves only one choice - A Woman P-Resident.
And lets face it, Hillary is perfect. She wears a Democrat Hat and is about as fascist as Mussolini on a bad day.
She will cater to the banks and the Big Corporations and the Surveillance Security Industries and increase the Terror Budgets and decrease American Freedoms and kill the internet and do all of the really good shit Republican Fascists love so much... and she'll enjoy doing it - 100%.
And the Republican Pundits can keep right on shitting on the White House as if they disapproved of everything she is doing, just like they do now with Obama.
(This process, Republican News poo-pooing the reigning fake Democrat P-Resident, keeps the idiot Democrats among the public thinking they must have elected the right person if its pissing off the Republicans so much, just like under Obama)
Yep. Looks like its Hillary For P-Resident and More Shit Sandwiches for the US Public. Might be time to reconsider that move to somewhere that still has a real democracy - like maybe Guam. :)
Hey there. Can you pick up that bar of soap for me.
"...even if it helped show the true colors of the current leadership of the pharmaceutical industry."
Ah the resiliency of the American Victim!
I have to wonder, just how many times must an industry, or politician, or institution, or agency, SCREW over the American Public, before the American Public comes to the final realization that those folks are not their friends and that any new people taking over the reigns of those lying crooks must of necessity, also be just more lying crooks.
In fact, I wonder if there even is a maximum number of times Americans will take in up the ass before finally saying no, or at least stop bending over.
"While surveillance may not be a top voting issue these days, many inside DC seem to be underestimating just how important it is to many people."
Unless Hillary was aware of the one thing that most Americans are not - that the voters really have no say in who gets (s)elected to office any more and the Vote itself is nothing more than a PR placebo soap opera, to keep the peasants believing in the dead American Dream, while the Ownership Society Members cash in America's Chips for Chinese gold.
Bu-bye America the Brave. Hello Amerika the Broke.
Finally.
No more pussyfooting around the constitution now.
This should be fascinating to watch.
In the next six months, the Republicans (AKA Neo-Fascists) will now be able to set America back 20 more years - and end any possibility of recovery, while installing every bad law and every bad "trade-free agreement" that has been considered over the last decade by the billionaires running the country - without even the semblance of opposition.
When the Merchant is King, we all have a price on our heads.
...and once again, the citizens of the world debated their dilemma and ruminated and argued over what might be done to prevent their leaders from bringing about the inevitable slaughter and ruin of the world, while the billionaires masquerading as world leaders, led the world to slaughter and ruin... once again.
Nice eulogy eh! :)
I thought it might be a little large for a tombstone... But then I realized that tombstone was gonna be huge!!
To make the millionaires running Shell Oil, Alcoa, Ford and a few dozen other industries, into billionaires.
That is what all wars are fought for. Money. Power.
The children of the men who made millions in profit from WW1 could hardly wait to start WW2 and they made billions off that war.
The wars we have today, while prevented from becoming World Wars by the advent of Atomic Weapons (you cannot spend radio-active gold), are still big enough that the US had to borrow billions from China to pay for the un-declared invasion of Iraq.
The children of the WW2 billionaires still make a fortune from these little wars - from the sale of war toys and the hidden criminal activity that always accompanies a war.
Yes Marjorie, daddy and grandpa died in the wars so that US millionaires could become billionaires.
Re: wonder whats in there thats such a big deal???
"...MKDELTA and MKULTRA were just the beginning."
Methinks that quite the opposite is the case and its that fact precisely which is causing all the near panic at the top of the food chain.
I think the report will show that, like a bunch of delinquent kids left on an island to fend for themselves, these officially condoned idiot torturers were just torturing people for fun and giggles - trying to outdo each other by coming up with new ways to make their victims suffer.
I think the report will show that there really was no actual expectation of "gaining intel", or wresting useful confessions from the prisoners/victims. They were just inventing new and different ways to cause pain.
I think it was just a modern american horror story and the Boys At The Top do not want the world to see just how childish, immature and irresponsible they really are.
Of course the reality of it all is that we will likely never know. How long did they legally bury the facts behind the Kennedy Assassination - to protect the guilty?
I figure this report - if it ever gets released at all - will likely double that length of time.... unless some awesome individual and true American Patriot finally decides to leak the un-redacted 1600 page version onto the internet.
"Kinda thinking that we shouldn't even bother with comments on this article, because the CIA and FBI have already hit Godwin's Law."
Not quite.
"Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card". The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies[citation needed], if that was the explicit topic of conversation, because a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy."
To paraphrase:
If yer actually talking bout NAZIs, then Godwin's Law does not apply.
"...the idea that someone cannot be unbiased is fiction..."
Methinks you meant:
"...the idea that someone CAN be unbiased is fiction..."
And while I agree with your observations, I think what is needed is not "unbiased reporting" - since, as you say, that is impossible - but simple "honesty in reporting".
Integrity.
As long as there is a cadre of special interests deciding what should and should not be reported, and honesty is never even mentioned or considered, the "NEWS", is NOT.
It is simply fantasy entertainment, like the rest of the Media.
I believe there are a great many people out there who truly desire to report the truth about everything, but the system that has developed over the years, that I call the Truth-Free Press, prevents them form doing so, because those making the news, like those who write history, insure that the guilty are protected.
If journalists want to work for a business that treats honesty in news as a prerequisite and where billionaires do not call the shots, there is only one possibility open.
Quit your jobs working for the Truth-Free Press, and together, crowd-fund a new News Service, owned and operated by the Reporters and the Public.
When is a Scam is not a Scam? When its a business model.
I just love this scam!
1. Big Biz does a scam on the Public.
2. Big Biz pulls in a few billion from the scam.
3. Big Biz gets caught, usually because they got careless.
4. Big Guv takes them to court for their crime.
5. Big Guv fines Big Biz a few million bux.
6. Big Guv keeps the Vigorish and Big Biz walks.
7. The Public remains screwed out of the billions and Big Biz walks away with the lion's share of their scam proceeds and Big Guv gets a nice chunk of valuta for doing absolutely nothing.
Methinks that perhaps if folks were to look at the actual efforts being put forward by the various Tri-Letter Agencies, in respect to Terrorism, that they too might finally begin to understand that Terrorism is a state manufactured PR ploy that has everything to do with generating fear in the populace, generating rationale for massive budgets derived from taxes, and absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with protecting the USA from Terrorist Attacks, or "Defeating Terrorism".
With the loss of the Red Menace, when Russia stopped being the primary threat to America, the US AIP needed a new bogie man to send the American citizenry cowering back under their beds. Terrorism was the answer developed by the think tanks that pass for brains in the USG.
With Terrorism, one no longer needs worry about national collapse since Terrorists are multinational, and non-national at the same time, and can thus always be counted on to remain active even when the only action happens to be US and British Special Forces dressed in Iraqi-Drag blowing shit up behind the scenes... in the name of Allah of course.
Fighting Terrorism is always going to be low on your priority list when You are the Terrorists.
Thankfully for the USG, with the recent creation of the Instantaneous Terrorist Army - like magic from the sands - called ISIL, the USG now has something they can point their fingers at and say: "See! Terrorists! We told you!"
Even with the recent admissions that most members of ISIL are actually ex-military citizens (pretending to be angry civilians) of the 5 Eyes Nations - dressed in Black Iraqi-Drag and masked, there will be very few photo-ops of dead ISIL members allowed into US news because of the prominence of White Guys that make up that Magically Manufactured Army. All photo-ops will, of necessity, be staged by the US military and CIA, and delivered to the US Truth Free Press for dissemination, and show only dead natives.
I would bet that a study of all the still operative ex-servicemen in American and Britain would show that the number still looking for work has dropped off the map in recent months as they are being shipped off to the Middle East to earn special bonus pay - directly out of the US and British tax payer's pocket.
Perhaps this is true in your own mind, but, I think that the members of the Ownership Society might disagree with both of those sentiments.
And considering that under the laws that they have established over the last thirty years, they can indeed legally remove all of your civil rights, without the need for either explanation or legal precedent, by simply dropping a joint on your carpet after an anonymously triggered Swat Raid on your house, or by having one of the Federal Agencies decide you are a threat to national security, and thereafter incarcerate and torture your ass where-ever they deem proper for as long as they deem proper and when and if they deem it proper, execute you without notice or due process, in any manner they deem suitable....
Sounds like you are not much more than owned property to me.
"...what do we use to describe an armed conflict that kills thousands of people? A "super bad awful fight"
. The Best Business Model Ever Invented. . Profitable Politics. . The Social Engineering End Game. . Fascist Methodology of Social Management. . The Great Private Economic Enabler. . How to eliminate unwanted peasants and make a fortune without breaking a sweat.
Since all modern wars are fought by the unwanted peasants of two or more otherwise friendly members of the Global Wealth (or Ownership) Society, for the purpose of generating a shitload of invisible profit - (taxpayers pay the Privately Owned Facilities of the Mil-Ind-Com for all military wartime expendables) - for those members, and eliminating the unwanted excess population (dissidents) of their nations, I think WAR should bear a description more suitable to its purpose.
The wagers of WAR, would of course, beg to differ.
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Re:
It gathers all of its paid scienticians together in a room labelled Research and they all reach into the big blue box labelled Evidence.
Since the box is always empty, the scienticians have to always conclude "That There Is 'Zero Evidence' That (Place claim to be dismisses here).
Its called The Scinetician Method and it always works.
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On the post: Now In Charge Of Congress, GOP Plans To Give Up Its Own Constitutional Powers To The Obama Administration
Re: Seems appropriate
The only real "benefit" now, is that the press will no longer be telling the public anything important, or anything real.
So, at least the American Public will now sleep better, even if things are actually getting much, much worse.
Ignorance is Bliss, even if bliss is a useless defense in war.
So break out the bread, usher in the clowns and let the show begin.
We have lost the war because we are too cowardly to admit to ourselves who the enemy is, but we can still go down smiling, if not actually happy.
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On the post: Hillary Clinton Still Refuses To Make Her Views Clear On Surveillance, And That's A Problem
Re: Hillary should give a shit about Voters?
Situation is probably far worse that originally thought.
It looks like there might be a very good reason why Clinton is not worried about what the US voting public thinks.
All the new political TV shows seem to be about women in and around the Oval Office... looks like the US Public is being propa-managed once again - groomed to accept a new ringer. A female president.
After all, Bush killed the chance of getting a Republican in office as long as memory holds - another 5-6 years or so - so the Republicans had to use the Black Card to get a Republican in a Democrat Hat into the Whitehouse. Obama.
The Black Card has run its course. Even most Blacks are now aware that Obama is a Trojan Horse. His chances of re-selection are extremely slim, even with a new war under his belt, as the corporations in control need someone that can inspire "CON-fidence" in the general peasantry.
So, that leaves only one choice - A Woman P-Resident.
And lets face it, Hillary is perfect. She wears a Democrat Hat and is about as fascist as Mussolini on a bad day.
She will cater to the banks and the Big Corporations and the Surveillance Security Industries and increase the Terror Budgets and decrease American Freedoms and kill the internet and do all of the really good shit Republican Fascists love so much... and she'll enjoy doing it - 100%.
And the Republican Pundits can keep right on shitting on the White House as if they disapproved of everything she is doing, just like they do now with Obama.
(This process, Republican News poo-pooing the reigning fake Democrat P-Resident, keeps the idiot Democrats among the public thinking they must have elected the right person if its pissing off the Republicans so much, just like under Obama)
Yep. Looks like its Hillary For P-Resident and More Shit Sandwiches for the US Public. Might be time to reconsider that move to somewhere that still has a real democracy - like maybe Guam. :)
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On the post: Pharma Officials Insist That There Is 'Zero Evidence' That Patents Harm Access To Medicine
Hey there. Can you pick up that bar of soap for me.
Ah the resiliency of the American Victim!
I have to wonder, just how many times must an industry, or politician, or institution, or agency, SCREW over the American Public, before the American Public comes to the final realization that those folks are not their friends and that any new people taking over the reigns of those lying crooks must of necessity, also be just more lying crooks.
In fact, I wonder if there even is a maximum number of times Americans will take in up the ass before finally saying no, or at least stop bending over.
Apparently not.
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On the post: Hillary Clinton Still Refuses To Make Her Views Clear On Surveillance, And That's A Problem
Hillary should give a shit about Voters?
Unless Hillary was aware of the one thing that most Americans are not - that the voters really have no say in who gets (s)elected to office any more and the Vote itself is nothing more than a PR placebo soap opera, to keep the peasants believing in the dead American Dream, while the Ownership Society Members cash in America's Chips for Chinese gold.
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On the post: Now In Charge Of Congress, GOP Plans To Give Up Its Own Constitutional Powers To The Obama Administration
Bu-bye America the Brave. Hello Amerika the Broke.
No more pussyfooting around the constitution now.
This should be fascinating to watch.
In the next six months, the Republicans (AKA Neo-Fascists) will now be able to set America back 20 more years - and end any possibility of recovery, while installing every bad law and every bad "trade-free agreement" that has been considered over the last decade by the billionaires running the country - without even the semblance of opposition.
And, let the show begin.
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On the post: New Zealand's Trade Minister Admits They Keep TPP Documents Secret To Avoid 'Public Debate'
When the Merchant is King, we all have a price on our heads.
Nice eulogy eh! :)
I thought it might be a little large for a tombstone...
But then I realized that tombstone was gonna be huge!!
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On the post: Senator Wyden Attacks CIA Redaction Demands As 'Unprecedented'
Re: What would happen with pseudonyms:
To make the millionaires running Shell Oil, Alcoa, Ford and a few dozen other industries, into billionaires.
That is what all wars are fought for. Money. Power.
The children of the men who made millions in profit from WW1 could hardly wait to start WW2 and they made billions off that war.
The wars we have today, while prevented from becoming World Wars by the advent of Atomic Weapons (you cannot spend radio-active gold), are still big enough that the US had to borrow billions from China to pay for the un-declared invasion of Iraq.
The children of the WW2 billionaires still make a fortune from these little wars - from the sale of war toys and the hidden criminal activity that always accompanies a war.
Yes Marjorie, daddy and grandpa died in the wars so that US millionaires could become billionaires.
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On the post: Senator Wyden Attacks CIA Redaction Demands As 'Unprecedented'
correction....sigh
On the post: Senator Wyden Attacks CIA Redaction Demands As 'Unprecedented'
Re: wonder whats in there thats such a big deal???
Methinks that quite the opposite is the case and its that fact precisely which is causing all the near panic at the top of the food chain.
I think the report will show that, like a bunch of delinquent kids left on an island to fend for themselves, these officially condoned idiot torturers were just torturing people for fun and giggles - trying to outdo each other by coming up with new ways to make their victims suffer.
I think the report will show that there really was no actual expectation of "gaining intel", or wresting useful confessions from the prisoners/victims. They were just inventing new and different ways to cause pain.
I think it was just a modern american horror story and the Boys At The Top do not want the world to see just how childish, immature and irresponsible they really are.
Of course the reality of it all is that we will likely never know. How long did they legally bury the facts behind the Kennedy Assassination - to protect the guilty?
I figure this report - if it ever gets released at all - will likely double that length of time.... unless some awesome individual and true American Patriot finally decides to leak the un-redacted 1600 page version onto the internet.
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On the post: Senator Wyden Attacks CIA Redaction Demands As 'Unprecedented'
Re: Re: Oh good, now the Republicans will bury the torture report.
Ummmmm... can't get things done.... like what, for instance??
Humor me.
List a few things that only be done by "the state", or "centralized authority".
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On the post: During Cold War, CIA And FBI Hired Over 1,000 Nazis As Spies, Limited Investigations Of Those Nazis
A small correction...
Not quite.
"Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis – often referred to as "playing the Hitler card". The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering known mainstays of Nazi Germany such as genocide, eugenics, or racial superiority, nor, more debatably, to a discussion of other totalitarian regimes or ideologies[citation needed], if that was the explicit topic of conversation, because a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate, in effect committing the fallacist's fallacy."
To paraphrase:
If yer actually talking bout NAZIs, then Godwin's Law does not apply.
On the post: Journalists Need A Point Of View If They Want To Stay Relevant
Re: No "objective" point of view.
Methinks you meant:
"...the idea that someone CAN be unbiased is fiction..."
And while I agree with your observations, I think what is needed is not "unbiased reporting" - since, as you say, that is impossible - but simple "honesty in reporting".
Integrity.
As long as there is a cadre of special interests deciding what should and should not be reported, and honesty is never even mentioned or considered, the "NEWS", is NOT.
It is simply fantasy entertainment, like the rest of the Media.
I believe there are a great many people out there who truly desire to report the truth about everything, but the system that has developed over the years, that I call the Truth-Free Press, prevents them form doing so, because those making the news, like those who write history, insure that the guilty are protected.
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On the post: Journalists Need A Point Of View If They Want To Stay Relevant
The End of the Truth-Free Press
If journalists want to work for a business that treats honesty in news as a prerequisite and where billionaires do not call the shots, there is only one possibility open.
Quit your jobs working for the Truth-Free Press, and together, crowd-fund a new News Service, owned and operated by the Reporters and the Public.
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On the post: Eric Holder Says He Regrets Lying To A Judge And Saying A Reporter Was A 'Co-Conspirator' But The Law Made Him Do It
Re: Deception is the name of the game
On the post: Both Comcast And Verizon Agree To Pay Millions To Settle Overbilling Claims
When is a Scam is not a Scam? When its a business model.
1. Big Biz does a scam on the Public.
2. Big Biz pulls in a few billion from the scam.
3. Big Biz gets caught, usually because they got careless.
4. Big Guv takes them to court for their crime.
5. Big Guv fines Big Biz a few million bux.
6. Big Guv keeps the Vigorish and Big Biz walks.
7. The Public remains screwed out of the billions and Big Biz walks away with the lion's share of their scam proceeds and Big Guv gets a nice chunk of valuta for doing absolutely nothing.
Repeat from 1.
I would call this a business model.
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On the post: FBI's Use Of 'Sneak And Peek' Warrants Still Steadily Increasing, Still Has Nearly Nothing To Do With Fighting Terrorism
Terrorism seems awfully unimportant these days...
With the loss of the Red Menace, when Russia stopped being the primary threat to America, the US AIP needed a new bogie man to send the American citizenry cowering back under their beds. Terrorism was the answer developed by the think tanks that pass for brains in the USG.
With Terrorism, one no longer needs worry about national collapse since Terrorists are multinational, and non-national at the same time, and can thus always be counted on to remain active even when the only action happens to be US and British Special Forces dressed in Iraqi-Drag blowing shit up behind the scenes... in the name of Allah of course.
Fighting Terrorism is always going to be low on your priority list when You are the Terrorists.
Thankfully for the USG, with the recent creation of the Instantaneous Terrorist Army - like magic from the sands - called ISIL, the USG now has something they can point their fingers at and say: "See! Terrorists! We told you!"
Even with the recent admissions that most members of ISIL are actually ex-military citizens (pretending to be angry civilians) of the 5 Eyes Nations - dressed in Black Iraqi-Drag and masked, there will be very few photo-ops of dead ISIL members allowed into US news because of the prominence of White Guys that make up that Magically Manufactured Army. All photo-ops will, of necessity, be staged by the US military and CIA, and delivered to the US Truth Free Press for dissemination, and show only dead natives.
I would bet that a study of all the still operative ex-servicemen in American and Britain would show that the number still looking for work has dropped off the map in recent months as they are being shipped off to the Middle East to earn special bonus pay - directly out of the US and British tax payer's pocket.
You are being managed.
On the post: FBI's Use Of 'Sneak And Peek' Warrants Still Steadily Increasing, Still Has Nearly Nothing To Do With Fighting Terrorism
Re: Tricksy gods. The state is terror. Re:Re: Wrong
Note the small squarish icons next to the names at the top of every posting:
For example, see above:
"Freedom Fighter!"
"raven of reflection"
"ali babaaaaa"
Think of them like the little stamp placed on wrists at concerts, to show that you paid to get in, should you wander off and want back in later.
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On the post: Research Shows Mass Surveillance Fails 'Drastically' In Striking Balance Between Costs And Benefits To Society
Re: Re: Re: Balance is a strawman
Perhaps this is true in your own mind, but, I think that the members of the Ownership Society might disagree with both of those sentiments.
And considering that under the laws that they have established over the last thirty years, they can indeed legally remove all of your civil rights, without the need for either explanation or legal precedent, by simply dropping a joint on your carpet after an anonymously triggered Swat Raid on your house, or by having one of the Federal Agencies decide you are a threat to national security, and thereafter incarcerate and torture your ass where-ever they deem proper for as long as they deem proper and when and if they deem it proper, execute you without notice or due process, in any manner they deem suitable....
Sounds like you are not much more than owned property to me.
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On the post: America, The Defensive: Wars, Terrorism And Thirty Years Of Perpetual 'States Of Emergencies'
Re: Words become devalued
. The Best Business Model Ever Invented.
. Profitable Politics.
. The Social Engineering End Game.
. Fascist Methodology of Social Management.
. The Great Private Economic Enabler.
. How to eliminate unwanted peasants and make a fortune without breaking a sweat.
Since all modern wars are fought by the unwanted peasants of two or more otherwise friendly members of the Global Wealth (or Ownership) Society, for the purpose of generating a shitload of invisible profit - (taxpayers pay the Privately Owned Facilities of the Mil-Ind-Com for all military wartime expendables) - for those members, and eliminating the unwanted excess population (dissidents) of their nations, I think WAR should bear a description more suitable to its purpose.
The wagers of WAR, would of course, beg to differ.
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