What the fuck would you call hundreds of people storming the steps of the Capitol, breaking into the Capitol, forcing members of Congress into hiding out of fear for their safety, and assaulting numerous police officers—all of which was caught on camera—on the day of the most important act in all of American democracy, all of which was done with the intent to prevent that act from being carried out? Because I’d call that a riot.
That you really think that the majority there would have allowed that to happen in the first place makes me feel very said for your faith in democratic protest.
Funny, I didn’t see a “majority” of the “protestors” at the Capitol that day trying to stop the violent rioters from breaking in windows, beating up cops, and trashing the offices of Congresspeople. (Hell, I didn’t even see anyone try to stop Ashli Babbitt…well, other than that cop.) Seems like that’s the same as “allowing” the riot to happen, at least from where I sit.
It’s obvious in your absolute denial of violence during/after BLM protests.
I don’t deny violence happens at such protests. But I do question the idea that it’s actual BLM protestors carrying out such violence, especially given how police responding to non-violent protests are often how such protests turn violent. And then there’s the people who aren’t part of such protests but use them as cover for their own malicious actions, knowing the protestors will be blamed for the violence. That’s not an excuse that can be given by the Capitol rioters; not a one of them has tried to argue that they were “undercover leftists” or whatever in court, and video evidence shows how the first people through the windows of the Capitol were carrying Trump paraphenalia (including a Trump flag).
How many people were in that corridor at the hallway? How many entered the floors?
Enough for the Capitol police to believe those people posed a threat, evacuate the Senate floor, and lead the Vice President and members of Congress into hiding for their safety. Enough for several of those members of Congress to say they legitimately feared for their lives as they heard the rioters in the halls. Enough for hundreds of people to be charged as part of the ongoing investigation into a violent insurrection meant to stop the certification of the results of the 2016 presidential election.
Is that not enough for you to take this seriously?
bad people show up to large gatherings and do bad things. It happens.
It happens a hell of a lot more when the large gatherings are made up of bad people willing to do bad things—like, say, members of the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and other such right-wing militias.
You don’t condemn the whole for the acts of the few.
You seem more than willing to condemn the Democratic Party as “radical leftists” over the beliefs of a handful of Congressional Democrats who barely have the kind of power within the party to pull it towards the center, never mind the “radical left” that doesn’t even exist in American politics.
You keep telling yourself that despite the growing pile of evidence that all but a few dozen were nothing more than peaceful.
Are you going to tell me that they were all leftist plants or undercover police, too?
With Trump being a life long Democrat. That happened to be centrist.
Then why didn’t he run as a Democrat and embrace Democratic/left-wing principles? He was always a conservative; that you never seemed to realize it is your problem.
Secure borders, reduced foreign involvement, national healthcare option, America First?
He didn’t want secure borders. He wanted closed borders—to completely shut down immigration.
He didn’t want “reduced” foreign involvement. He wanted to involve the U.S. military in actions outside the U.S. that would benefit him and his friends in the military industrial complex. And by the by: It was the Trump administration that released thousands of Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan as part of a plan to broker some sort of peace deal with the Taliban and eventually withdraw U.S. troops from the country, so…hey, how’d that plan work out in the long run?
He didn’t want a public healthcare option. He never pushed for a public healthcare option, and even if he did, he never had a healthcare plan to show off that would’ve proven so. (Yes, I know you’ll want to say “BuT hE wAnTeD rEpEaL aNd RePlAcE!!!1!”, but the fact of the matter is that he planned to repeal the ACA without an actual replacement plan ready to go, so fuck you if you pull out that tired-ass non-starter of an argument again, you right-wing propagandist.)
you find an undying need to toss all Trump supporters into Q right
As long as you keep kissing his ass and calling it the greatest thing since sliced cheese—i.e., as long as you keep praising him without any criticism or complaint—I’m going to call you a delusional ass-kisser. Don’t like it? Accept that Trump isn’t God, yours or mine, and start looking at criticisms of Trump as something beyond “orange man bad because Rachel Maddow said so” or whatever you tell yourself.
I voted for Joe Biden, and I think he’s a middling centrist dipshit whose only role is to stop the bleeding from the Trump administration. He’s not going to go down as a great president. The withdrawl from Afghanistan—a move, might I add, that Trump had planned and Biden respected—was an unmitigated disaster and will likely mar the remainder of his presidency. I can acknowledge all of that, among other criticisms, without feeling like I’m personally attacking myself or other Biden supporters. For what reason do you refuse to accept criticisms of Trump as anything other than punishable-by-death heresy against your golden god?
Trump wasn’t elected by republicans. He was pushed over the line by those democrats who would never vote for General Genocide criminal conspiracy Clinton.
And look what they got in return: over 700,000 dead Americans thanks to a pandemic that Trump refused to take seriously even after he contracted COVID-19, an economy in freefall thanks in part to that pandemic (as well as tax cuts for the rich and cuts to social safety net programs), and a further divided country thanks to an administration that coined the term “alternative facts” and a man who lied to the American people all the way up to the moment he left the Oval Office.
“Winning”, amirite?
Often time you find someone with a bunch of bad ideas who happens to seek out something you strongly agree with.
If a Democrat candidate wants to outlaw abortions but their politics agree with mine in most (if not all) other aspects, I’m not voting for that candidate unless they’re the least objectionable option—and even then, it’d be a hold-my-nose vote. (That was the basis for my votes for Clinton and Biden. I would’ve preferred Sanders and Warren, respectively, in those elections.) I would consider a third-party vote if we had ranked choice voting; with first-past-the-post voting, a third-party vote is akin to throwing my vote away.
That you think the q has any kind of real sway in politics shows your own bubble of understanding.
That you think QAnon assholes don’t have a sway in politics shows how much you don’t pay attention to batshit officeholders like Marjorie Taylor Greene and any other Republican politician still pushing Trump’s Big Lie. The inmates are running the asylum, as it were—and it’s all because people like you elected into office a man who believes any loss he suffers must be because someone rigged the game against him…even (and especially) when he has no proof to back up his claim.
The party proper is far more tolerant than you believe.
I am worried about the Dem slide towards the far left though.
That you think there’s even a “far left” in the United States is yet another example of the conservative brainwashing you willingly accept without question or complaint. The most “far left” thing anyone in Congress has suggested—government-run healthcare—is the motherfucking standard in every other industrialized country in the world. Who the fuck else has to pay $50 for a single aspirin tablet while they’re in the hospital?
You’re worried about granting more rights. I’m worried about the rights they’ll take away. Like arms. Like speech.
What about the right to vote? What about the right to an abortion? What about the right to be queer in public, including the right to marry? What about the right to remain free of forced association with religion—Christianity in particular?
For all your worries about the broad-strokes rights that aren’t in any actual danger of being taken away by Democrats, you’re missing the much more specific rights that are being threatened by Republicans. You’re being told to ignore attacks against the voting rights of people of color, Roe v. Wade, the rights of transgender people, and the wall of separation between church and state.
What’s worse is, you’re actively ignoring these things because you think Republicans won’t actually go through with the plans they’ve been building to for decades—plans that, thanks to the man you voted into office in 2016, could finally be realized thanks to the 6-3 conservative bent of the Supreme Court.
But hey, I’m sure you’ll be just fine under the tent of a political party with direct, open, and unapologetic ties to theocratic anti-queer Christian fascists~. I mean, it’s not like any of those people would ever help write a law that would institute the death penalty for queer people like you if given the chance, amirite~?
Just so we’re clear: If the insurrectionists had killed Mike Pence, you absolutely wouldn’t have considered the Capitol riot to be a “violent” event? Because I think you’d have a double standard here. You’d likely take the report of a death at a BLM rally as an opportunity to call that event “a violent left-wing riot”, but according to your own words here, you’d also be willing to consider a “rally” at which you saw the public execution of the Vice President to be a “peaceful” event.
(And before you say “oh it wouldn’t have been public”, please remember that a hangman’s gallows was photographed outside of the Capitol building that day.)
You’re so unwilling to even consider the fact that the riot was even a fucking riot that you’re actually saying you would refer to the violent murder of the Vice President as simply “part of an otherwise peaceful protest”. Stop and think about what you’re actually saying there for a moment. Are you really willing to go on the record—to testify in a legal proceeding or sign an affidavit saying as much—that you would absolutely and without doubt consider a riot during which the Vice President was killed to be a “peaceful event”?
My defence of the peaceful protestors is no more than the BLM supporters have been doing.
You’re defending a violent insurrection against the federal government in the name of the then-sitting President of the United States. Anyone defending BLM supporters are, at best, defending the destruction of property.
You are a conservative patsy. I would hate you but for the fact that you knowingly and eagerly play the role with the sincerity of a religious zealot. That just makes me pity you.
I mean, you have to know they’re not going to accept you. Other Trump supporters, that is. Sure, they’ll love to have you on their side as a useful idiot, but they’ll wring your neck—metaphorically and literally—as soon as you stop being useful. After all, you’re a queer atheist; no amount of wanting Republicans to rule the country with an iron fist is going to save you from them after you help Trump (or another fascist) gain control of the country again.
No, it doesn’t; Jimmy Wales didn’t make Wikipedia by begging other people to build its entire goddamn infrastructure for him without recompense. You’re not Jimmy Wales and you have nothing innovative or useful to offer the world that would make other people invest their time and money into you. No one wants your software, no one wants you, and no one will miss you when you’re dead.
I’m too mentally exhausted to deal with you on this shit, so I’ll leave you with this to think on: Would you still be calling it a peaceful protest if they had killed Mike Pence?
to raise all domestic unions above the religious aspect with a lay term in law.
That already happened when same-sex marriage was made legal nationwide: Secular same-sex marriages stand above any religious form of marriage by virtue of the government recognizing same-sex marriages even when a given religious sect does not.
The people who went beyond the lobby, that they were allowed into
People were not “allowed” into the lobby of the Capitol that day, judging by the fact that the insurrectionists had to break windows so they could even get into the Capitol.
People say things they don’t intend to act on in public in the heat of passion.
They don’t usually repeatedly chant for the hanging of the man responsible for certifying the presidential election results. And by the by, who do you think told them that Mike Pence was that guy, and who do you think told them he was refusing to do his “job” (i.e., refusing to certify the election results)? Because it sure as shit wasn’t Joe Biden, AOC, or some other liberal boogeyman.
Less than 2 dozen people broke the law that day.
Funny, then, how hundreds of people were arrested in the following days, weeks, and months on charges ranging from trespassing to acts of violence against police. But I guess you’re going to say they were all arrested only for being white and standing around—much like how you initially said that was the reason why Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed.
But the fiction of some great insurrection is now completely dead.
Only to right-wing shitheads like you.
Do you think a few thousand racist god’s army fucks stand any chance against 300+ million.
Nobody thought the American Revolution would work out for the Americans. Anything is possible (if you put your mind to it).
Are you so misinformed as to believe there’s any chance of some sort of civil war over this?
You’re so ignorant that you think there isn’t a chance of a legitimate nation-dividing schism after the 2024 election, regardless of who wins but especially if Trump runs again.
Both parties need to stop pretending there’s no criminal element. Deal with criminals quickly and publicly.
Nobody is pretending there is no violence on both sides. But the context and scale of that violence is far different.
If you’re going to call riots arising from Black Lives Matter protests “left-wing violence”, note that such violence is largely directed towards property instead of people. Right-wing violence, on the other hand, tends to target people far more regularly than it targets property. After all, you didn’t hear the people in the Capitol chanting “hang the podium from the Senate floor”.
A small group of people committed crimes. Deal with them in court.
I suppose a few hundred people is a “small group” from a certain point of view… 🤔
Outside of one little tiny group nothing happened. It was a generally peaceful protest.
“One little tiny group” stormed the Capitol, disrupted the most important act in American democracy, and called for the hanging of the man tasked with carrying out that act (the Vice President of the United States). And let’s not forget about the anti-police violence and the destruction and theft of property within and outside the Capitol. But sure, it was a “peaceful protest” otherwise~.
After months of focus on the very thing the Dems waive off in regards to BLM protests?
Three things:
The overwhelming majority of protests for the Black Lives Matter movement have been, and continue to be, peaceful events.
In the instances of violence that have broken out at such protests, many of them were provoked by police, and some were carried out by assholes acting under the guise of the BLM movement to pin the blame for violence on the movement itself.
The Black Lives Matter movement didn’t try to disrupt American democracy, and it sure as hell didn’t call for the lynching of Mike Pence.
don’t expect the world to move when you spend years ignoring the “handful” of those who break the law in liberal protest
Don’t expect the world to take you seriously when you downplay an attempt to undermine the presidential election as a “peaceful protest”.
Tell me, do you think the New Confederates will accept you when the next civil war breaks out? Because I’m pretty sure that despite your sticking up for them in a way that would make Donald Trump proud, you’d be near the top of their enemies list, what with your being queer and non-Christian.
Like I said: opposite end of the horseshoe. Even a supposedly “rational” person can take their “rationality” to the level of a religious zealot—which is what you’ve been doing. You need to lighten the fuck up.
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The same way everyone else does: Kill a drug dealer for it.
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They’re smart enough to know that they don’t want to piss off the people who really help pay their campaign finances.
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What the fuck would you call hundreds of people storming the steps of the Capitol, breaking into the Capitol, forcing members of Congress into hiding out of fear for their safety, and assaulting numerous police officers—all of which was caught on camera—on the day of the most important act in all of American democracy, all of which was done with the intent to prevent that act from being carried out? Because I’d call that a riot.
Funny, I didn’t see a “majority” of the “protestors” at the Capitol that day trying to stop the violent rioters from breaking in windows, beating up cops, and trashing the offices of Congresspeople. (Hell, I didn’t even see anyone try to stop Ashli Babbitt…well, other than that cop.) Seems like that’s the same as “allowing” the riot to happen, at least from where I sit.
I don’t deny violence happens at such protests. But I do question the idea that it’s actual BLM protestors carrying out such violence, especially given how police responding to non-violent protests are often how such protests turn violent. And then there’s the people who aren’t part of such protests but use them as cover for their own malicious actions, knowing the protestors will be blamed for the violence. That’s not an excuse that can be given by the Capitol rioters; not a one of them has tried to argue that they were “undercover leftists” or whatever in court, and video evidence shows how the first people through the windows of the Capitol were carrying Trump paraphenalia (including a Trump flag).
Enough for the Capitol police to believe those people posed a threat, evacuate the Senate floor, and lead the Vice President and members of Congress into hiding for their safety. Enough for several of those members of Congress to say they legitimately feared for their lives as they heard the rioters in the halls. Enough for hundreds of people to be charged as part of the ongoing investigation into a violent insurrection meant to stop the certification of the results of the 2016 presidential election.
Is that not enough for you to take this seriously?
It happens a hell of a lot more when the large gatherings are made up of bad people willing to do bad things—like, say, members of the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and other such right-wing militias.
You seem more than willing to condemn the Democratic Party as “radical leftists” over the beliefs of a handful of Congressional Democrats who barely have the kind of power within the party to pull it towards the center, never mind the “radical left” that doesn’t even exist in American politics.
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Are you going to tell me that they were all leftist plants or undercover police, too?
Then why didn’t he run as a Democrat and embrace Democratic/left-wing principles? He was always a conservative; that you never seemed to realize it is your problem.
He didn’t want secure borders. He wanted closed borders—to completely shut down immigration.
He didn’t want “reduced” foreign involvement. He wanted to involve the U.S. military in actions outside the U.S. that would benefit him and his friends in the military industrial complex. And by the by: It was the Trump administration that released thousands of Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan as part of a plan to broker some sort of peace deal with the Taliban and eventually withdraw U.S. troops from the country, so…hey, how’d that plan work out in the long run?
He didn’t want a public healthcare option. He never pushed for a public healthcare option, and even if he did, he never had a healthcare plan to show off that would’ve proven so. (Yes, I know you’ll want to say “BuT hE wAnTeD rEpEaL aNd RePlAcE!!!1!”, but the fact of the matter is that he planned to repeal the ACA without an actual replacement plan ready to go, so fuck you if you pull out that tired-ass non-starter of an argument again, you right-wing propagandist.)
As for “America First”: How come he didn’t seem to ever care about the Americans who voted against him even though he was the president of all Americans? And before you say “but he did care”, I’d like to remind you that he threatened to withhold federal funds from “blue states” on multiple occasions for a variety of reasons. That doesn’t sound very “America First” to me.
As long as you keep kissing his ass and calling it the greatest thing since sliced cheese—i.e., as long as you keep praising him without any criticism or complaint—I’m going to call you a delusional ass-kisser. Don’t like it? Accept that Trump isn’t God, yours or mine, and start looking at criticisms of Trump as something beyond “orange man bad because Rachel Maddow said so” or whatever you tell yourself.
I voted for Joe Biden, and I think he’s a middling centrist dipshit whose only role is to stop the bleeding from the Trump administration. He’s not going to go down as a great president. The withdrawl from Afghanistan—a move, might I add, that Trump had planned and Biden respected—was an unmitigated disaster and will likely mar the remainder of his presidency. I can acknowledge all of that, among other criticisms, without feeling like I’m personally attacking myself or other Biden supporters. For what reason do you refuse to accept criticisms of Trump as anything other than punishable-by-death heresy against your golden god?
And look what they got in return: over 700,000 dead Americans thanks to a pandemic that Trump refused to take seriously even after he contracted COVID-19, an economy in freefall thanks in part to that pandemic (as well as tax cuts for the rich and cuts to social safety net programs), and a further divided country thanks to an administration that coined the term “alternative facts” and a man who lied to the American people all the way up to the moment he left the Oval Office.
“Winning”, amirite?
If a Democrat candidate wants to outlaw abortions but their politics agree with mine in most (if not all) other aspects, I’m not voting for that candidate unless they’re the least objectionable option—and even then, it’d be a hold-my-nose vote. (That was the basis for my votes for Clinton and Biden. I would’ve preferred Sanders and Warren, respectively, in those elections.) I would consider a third-party vote if we had ranked choice voting; with first-past-the-post voting, a third-party vote is akin to throwing my vote away.
That you think QAnon assholes don’t have a sway in politics shows how much you don’t pay attention to batshit officeholders like Marjorie Taylor Greene and any other Republican politician still pushing Trump’s Big Lie. The inmates are running the asylum, as it were—and it’s all because people like you elected into office a man who believes any loss he suffers must be because someone rigged the game against him…even (and especially) when he has no proof to back up his claim.
No. No, it is not.
That you think there’s even a “far left” in the United States is yet another example of the conservative brainwashing you willingly accept without question or complaint. The most “far left” thing anyone in Congress has suggested—government-run healthcare—is the motherfucking standard in every other industrialized country in the world. Who the fuck else has to pay $50 for a single aspirin tablet while they’re in the hospital?
What about the right to vote? What about the right to an abortion? What about the right to be queer in public, including the right to marry? What about the right to remain free of forced association with religion—Christianity in particular?
For all your worries about the broad-strokes rights that aren’t in any actual danger of being taken away by Democrats, you’re missing the much more specific rights that are being threatened by Republicans. You’re being told to ignore attacks against the voting rights of people of color, Roe v. Wade, the rights of transgender people, and the wall of separation between church and state.
What’s worse is, you’re actively ignoring these things because you think Republicans won’t actually go through with the plans they’ve been building to for decades—plans that, thanks to the man you voted into office in 2016, could finally be realized thanks to the 6-3 conservative bent of the Supreme Court.
But hey, I’m sure you’ll be just fine under the tent of a political party with direct, open, and unapologetic ties to theocratic anti-queer Christian fascists~. I mean, it’s not like any of those people would ever help write a law that would institute the death penalty for queer people like you if given the chance, amirite~?
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Just so we’re clear: If the insurrectionists had killed Mike Pence, you absolutely wouldn’t have considered the Capitol riot to be a “violent” event? Because I think you’d have a double standard here. You’d likely take the report of a death at a BLM rally as an opportunity to call that event “a violent left-wing riot”, but according to your own words here, you’d also be willing to consider a “rally” at which you saw the public execution of the Vice President to be a “peaceful” event.
(And before you say “oh it wouldn’t have been public”, please remember that a hangman’s gallows was photographed outside of the Capitol building that day.)
You’re so unwilling to even consider the fact that the riot was even a fucking riot that you’re actually saying you would refer to the violent murder of the Vice President as simply “part of an otherwise peaceful protest”. Stop and think about what you’re actually saying there for a moment. Are you really willing to go on the record—to testify in a legal proceeding or sign an affidavit saying as much—that you would absolutely and without doubt consider a riot during which the Vice President was killed to be a “peaceful event”?
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You’re defending a violent insurrection against the federal government in the name of the then-sitting President of the United States. Anyone defending BLM supporters are, at best, defending the destruction of property.
You are a conservative patsy. I would hate you but for the fact that you knowingly and eagerly play the role with the sincerity of a religious zealot. That just makes me pity you.
I mean, you have to know they’re not going to accept you. Other Trump supporters, that is. Sure, they’ll love to have you on their side as a useful idiot, but they’ll wring your neck—metaphorically and literally—as soon as you stop being useful. After all, you’re a queer atheist; no amount of wanting Republicans to rule the country with an iron fist is going to save you from them after you help Trump (or another fascist) gain control of the country again.
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Posting a URL can’t kill me, and you have no power here. You will die alone and unloved; no one will grieve for you when you’re dead. Fuck off.
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No, it doesn’t; Jimmy Wales didn’t make Wikipedia by begging other people to build its entire goddamn infrastructure for him without recompense. You’re not Jimmy Wales and you have nothing innovative or useful to offer the world that would make other people invest their time and money into you. No one wants your software, no one wants you, and no one will miss you when you’re dead.
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You’re not Jimmy Wales.
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Success doesn’t come to people who do the bare minimum—or to people who beg others for money and fame.
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I don’t feel secondhand shame for people I pity, a URL can’t kill me, and you have no power here.
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I’m too mentally exhausted to deal with you on this shit, so I’ll leave you with this to think on: Would you still be calling it a peaceful protest if they had killed Mike Pence?
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That already happened when same-sex marriage was made legal nationwide: Secular same-sex marriages stand above any religious form of marriage by virtue of the government recognizing same-sex marriages even when a given religious sect does not.
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People were not “allowed” into the lobby of the Capitol that day, judging by the fact that the insurrectionists had to break windows so they could even get into the Capitol.
They don’t usually repeatedly chant for the hanging of the man responsible for certifying the presidential election results. And by the by, who do you think told them that Mike Pence was that guy, and who do you think told them he was refusing to do his “job” (i.e., refusing to certify the election results)? Because it sure as shit wasn’t Joe Biden, AOC, or some other liberal boogeyman.
Funny, then, how hundreds of people were arrested in the following days, weeks, and months on charges ranging from trespassing to acts of violence against police. But I guess you’re going to say they were all arrested only for being white and standing around—much like how you initially said that was the reason why Ashli Babbitt was shot and killed.
Only to right-wing shitheads like you.
Nobody thought the American Revolution would work out for the Americans. Anything is possible (if you put your mind to it).
You’re so ignorant that you think there isn’t a chance of a legitimate nation-dividing schism after the 2024 election, regardless of who wins but especially if Trump runs again.
Nobody is pretending there is no violence on both sides. But the context and scale of that violence is far different.
If you’re going to call riots arising from Black Lives Matter protests “left-wing violence”, note that such violence is largely directed towards property instead of people. Right-wing violence, on the other hand, tends to target people far more regularly than it targets property. After all, you didn’t hear the people in the Capitol chanting “hang the podium from the Senate floor”.
I suppose a few hundred people is a “small group” from a certain point of view… 🤔
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You’ll have to forgive Lostcause; his aggressive inconsistency is a result of his conservative ignorance.
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“One little tiny group” stormed the Capitol, disrupted the most important act in American democracy, and called for the hanging of the man tasked with carrying out that act (the Vice President of the United States). And let’s not forget about the anti-police violence and the destruction and theft of property within and outside the Capitol. But sure, it was a “peaceful protest” otherwise~.
Three things:
The overwhelming majority of protests for the Black Lives Matter movement have been, and continue to be, peaceful events.
In the instances of violence that have broken out at such protests, many of them were provoked by police, and some were carried out by assholes acting under the guise of the BLM movement to pin the blame for violence on the movement itself.
Don’t expect the world to take you seriously when you downplay an attempt to undermine the presidential election as a “peaceful protest”.
Tell me, do you think the New Confederates will accept you when the next civil war breaks out? Because I’m pretty sure that despite your sticking up for them in a way that would make Donald Trump proud, you’d be near the top of their enemies list, what with your being queer and non-Christian.
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A URL can’t kill me, and you have no power here.
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Like I said: opposite end of the horseshoe. Even a supposedly “rational” person can take their “rationality” to the level of a religious zealot—which is what you’ve been doing. You need to lighten the fuck up.
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You are one person; don’t presume to speak for others, and don’t use other people’s power for your own principles.
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Unless you can literally kill me over TCP/IP, you have no power, epsecially power that I must fear—or respect.
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