As I've said before, what has the 2nd Amendment protected lately?
Other countries, such as the U.K., Japan, Germany, France, Italy, have VERY strict gun laws, no 2nd amendment and they don't have their governments taking away their rights to become a fascist police state any faster than the U.S. is.
Not saying get rid of the guns or the 2nd amendment, I'm just pointing out that it's not as important as some people make it out.
I find it weird that you keep harping on the fact that one of the less useful amendments, one that has so many supporters, if it was gone, would mean that all other amendments and the constitution would be gone.
*Deep breath*
Well... Tell me, what has the 2nd Amendment protected lately?
Other countries, France, Germany, Japan, Britain, Poland, they don't have the 2nd Amendment, they don't have the government going around left and right taking away their freedoms and becoming a fascist police state any faster than the U.S. is becoming.
Look, I'm not saying "take away the guns" like you seem to THINK I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that the 2nd Amendment is NOWHERE near as important as the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments are.
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To be fair, the NSA and Obama gave him a LOT of fuel.
As Jon Stewart said "good going, Obama, you just gave every nutjob conspiracy theorist out there unlimited ammo! And the worst part is, we have to take them seriously now!"
And what rights has the 2nd amendment protected lately?
Right to privacy and the 4th Amendment? Torn to shreds by the NSA. Sure glad we have guns!
5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments? Huh, heard Manning was in solitary confinement for over 2 years before sentenced to 35 years. Sure glad we have guns! Oh! And let's not forget all the settlements out of court that prevent many trials from happening. Sure am glad that guns are protecting us!
*flat stare*
seriously, I'm not saying take away all the guns, but the 2nd amendment is NOT that fucking important of an amendment.
I would rather take the guns away if it meant giving us back full access to the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments.
And I'm someone who lives in an area where you can take time off from school or work to go hunting legally.
Just so you know, I'm not saying "take away the guns", I'm merely pointing out that the 2nd amendment isn't as important as the 1st, 4th-8th amendments are.
Words are dangerous, they can start stuff, I never denied that.
But guns, really, what is the primary thing a gun does? It fires bullets. What do those bullets do? Strike things. If it strikes a living thing, it causes harm.
The primary purpose of words is to communicate.
I don't understand the disconnect with people who share your viewpoint.
Lesse... The difference between speech, religion, free press and organizing vs the right to bear arms...
Free speech doesn't kill people directly, though it can incite people to kill. Religion, if done by moderates and not extremists doesn't kill, as seen by the billions of people who practice religion and don't kill others, free press, so long as it's the truth, doesn't seem to kill anything, other than a politicians career, and organizing protests/marches, so long as they're not violent, doesn't hurt anyone.
And... Guns, guns injure, maim, paralyze, and kill, a gun's only purpose is to bring harm to others.
I think there *IS* a big difference between the 1st (most important amendment) and the 2nd (nowhere near as important amendment) amendments.
I'm sure if it security stopped the Westboro Baptist from handing out literature. No one would be complaining.
No, no using that.
Because I will counter with this...
"First they came for speech I didn't like, so I said nothing. Then they came for speech that didn't affect me, so I said nothing. Now they come for my speech, but now no one can say anything."
For for pete's sake all he needed to do was follow proper procedures.
Middle of the day, not causing a riot, not endangering anyone's life, not saying anything cruel or mean...
That's not how the law works. Even if you ignore the law, you still have legal protection.
Why do you think the 5th Amendment states "no self incrimination", the 6th Amendment gives due process, which includes a right to an attorney and the 7th Amendment gives the right to a jury trial by peers?
That Snowden isn't a traitor. Imagine if he had as many morals as the NSA does or Obama does...
He could have sold all classified dealings to Russia and China, putting troops in harms way, revealing spies that worked for the CIA, gotten China and Russia HUGE advantages when it comes to economic policies for money.
Or even worse, he could have given it to Al Qaeda secretly so they could kill more people easier in the Middle East.
I bet that there's at least one person who works for the NSA that would have or could have done that.
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H33t might not be a person, but the owners are people, don't they get the right to defend themselves?
It's like shutting down all the walmarts because one of them sold something illegal and not telling the owners about it, even though you got a court issue to do so.
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Hey, ootb...
Do you even know what Due Process is?
Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Typically, "Due process" means 1) NOTICE, generally written, but some courts have determined, in rare circumstances, other types of notice suffice[citations needed]. Notice should provide sufficient detail to fully inform the individual of the decision or activity that will have an effect on his/her rights or property or person. 2) right to GRIEVE (that being the right to complain or to disagree with the governmental actor/entity which has decision making authority) and 3) the right to APPEAL if not satisfied with the outcome of the grievance procedure. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due-process violation, which offends against the rule of law.
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Other countries, such as the U.K., Japan, Germany, France, Italy, have VERY strict gun laws, no 2nd amendment and they don't have their governments taking away their rights to become a fascist police state any faster than the U.S. is.
Not saying get rid of the guns or the 2nd amendment, I'm just pointing out that it's not as important as some people make it out.
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*Deep breath*
Well... Tell me, what has the 2nd Amendment protected lately?
Other countries, France, Germany, Japan, Britain, Poland, they don't have the 2nd Amendment, they don't have the government going around left and right taking away their freedoms and becoming a fascist police state any faster than the U.S. is becoming.
Look, I'm not saying "take away the guns" like you seem to THINK I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that the 2nd Amendment is NOWHERE near as important as the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments are.
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As Jon Stewart said "good going, Obama, you just gave every nutjob conspiracy theorist out there unlimited ammo! And the worst part is, we have to take them seriously now!"
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This isn't Law and Order.
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And this is why...
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Right to privacy and the 4th Amendment? Torn to shreds by the NSA. Sure glad we have guns!
5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments? Huh, heard Manning was in solitary confinement for over 2 years before sentenced to 35 years. Sure glad we have guns! Oh! And let's not forget all the settlements out of court that prevent many trials from happening. Sure am glad that guns are protecting us!
*flat stare*
seriously, I'm not saying take away all the guns, but the 2nd amendment is NOT that fucking important of an amendment.
I would rather take the guns away if it meant giving us back full access to the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments.
And I'm someone who lives in an area where you can take time off from school or work to go hunting legally.
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But guns, really, what is the primary thing a gun does? It fires bullets. What do those bullets do? Strike things. If it strikes a living thing, it causes harm.
The primary purpose of words is to communicate.
I don't understand the disconnect with people who share your viewpoint.
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Free speech doesn't kill people directly, though it can incite people to kill. Religion, if done by moderates and not extremists doesn't kill, as seen by the billions of people who practice religion and don't kill others, free press, so long as it's the truth, doesn't seem to kill anything, other than a politicians career, and organizing protests/marches, so long as they're not violent, doesn't hurt anyone.
And... Guns, guns injure, maim, paralyze, and kill, a gun's only purpose is to bring harm to others.
I think there *IS* a big difference between the 1st (most important amendment) and the 2nd (nowhere near as important amendment) amendments.
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No, no using that.
Because I will counter with this...
"First they came for speech I didn't like, so I said nothing. Then they came for speech that didn't affect me, so I said nothing. Now they come for my speech, but now no one can say anything."
For for pete's sake all he needed to do was follow proper procedures.
Middle of the day, not causing a riot, not endangering anyone's life, not saying anything cruel or mean...
I'd say he did.
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Why do you think the 5th Amendment states "no self incrimination", the 6th Amendment gives due process, which includes a right to an attorney and the 7th Amendment gives the right to a jury trial by peers?
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It's a good thing...
He could have sold all classified dealings to Russia and China, putting troops in harms way, revealing spies that worked for the CIA, gotten China and Russia HUGE advantages when it comes to economic policies for money.
Or even worse, he could have given it to Al Qaeda secretly so they could kill more people easier in the Middle East.
I bet that there's at least one person who works for the NSA that would have or could have done that.
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And they wonder why...
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Your opinion is... WOW!
The whole basis of "your day in court" is to stand trial against what you are accused of and have a chance to prove otherwise.
It's otherwise known as the 6th Amendment.
Perhaps you should read the Bill of Rights sometime.
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It's like shutting down all the walmarts because one of them sold something illegal and not telling the owners about it, even though you got a court issue to do so.
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Do you even know what Due Process is?
Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all of the legal rights that are owed to a person. Typically, "Due process" means 1) NOTICE, generally written, but some courts have determined, in rare circumstances, other types of notice suffice[citations needed]. Notice should provide sufficient detail to fully inform the individual of the decision or activity that will have an effect on his/her rights or property or person. 2) right to GRIEVE (that being the right to complain or to disagree with the governmental actor/entity which has decision making authority) and 3) the right to APPEAL if not satisfied with the outcome of the grievance procedure. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due-process violation, which offends against the rule of law.
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EVERYONE *DESERVES* Due Process
It's, you know...
One of the FUNDAMENTAL BASICS of the rule of law.
Without it, there's no rule of law.
So, if Due Process is violated, then you SHOULD be up in arms!
After all, it wouldn't take much for a prosecutor to come down on you hard and violate your due process, would it?
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